(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 47: Serial SM Commenter Anna Silent on Family Posts Lately. I Wonder Why?

[Alisamer]

21 hours ago, Cam said:

I watched the JB body language video but didn’t care for all the emphasis on the commentator’s over-the-top outrage. I mean, we all feel that way. I’d rather hear more specifics about what the Duggar body language was saying. 

I watched that too - and while there wasn't much body language analysis in it, I kind of hope that the Duggar girls see that video. 

I'd love for them to watch it, and see this person who doesn't know them at all is so incredibly outraged on their behalf. That while their parents did the bare minimum to protect them and spent most of their energy on covering for Josh, others see that happened and are angry about it. It'd be good for them to see an outside view of how seriously messed up the way they were raised was, and that other people care about that and see it. They've spent so much time "keeping sweet" and minimizing what was done to them, I hope they understand it's OK to be angry. Other people are angry about what happened to them, too.

20 hours ago, waltraute said:

Additionally, I'm really interested in the couple that made those two videos and the way the woman responds to the man (her husband?) and vice versa. I'd like to see a body language video done on them. 

I get the impression she might have been raised Fundie or fundie adjacent, based on some things she's said in other videos. I think this whole thing was triggering a bit for her, and her husband is angry on the Duggar girls' behalf, but also based on how she was raised. 

11 hours ago, SolomonFundy said:

"Duggar Twins" may not be ideal as new slang. They have two actual sets of twins, which confuses the issue, and only one birth that occurred within 12 months of another, if memory serves. (Or is there another close group besides Jordyn and Josie?) Plus, why give them any more attention than they already demand? Maybe let's call it Nollkampering? Clara is the most prolific producer of same-year singletons that I am aware of. 

I don't think Jordyn and Josie really count since Josie was born so early.

I like the idea of calling it Nollkampering.

[IrishCarrie]

Speaking solely as an Irish person living in Ireland, culturally we use the phrase "Irish twins" all the time without any kind of pejorative connotation - it's entirely descriptive and just means siblings with less than a year between them!

I completely get how it might have been used in a snide way to perpetuate the 'Irish Catholics breed like bunnies' narrative in communities where we were immigrants, but I just want you to encourage y'all to use it freely if you're ever in Ireland - we don't mind it at all 😁 

Obviously families are generally much smaller and planned out in 2021 than in the days of yore, but still nobody would blink at a set of Irish twins in a family - it's a pretty sensible way of getting all your pregnancies and births over and done with in a timely manner and getting on with your life 🤣

Edited December 13, 2021 by IrishCarrie

[Mama Mia]

12 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

The bodyguard will be doing an AMA on Reddit today.  Brief summary for those who don't know this guy has been vague posting on Twitter:

• Claims he was a bodyguard of Josh/Anna and M's around 2015
• Claims his NDA has expired
• Claims he was with J/A and the Ms when JD flew them out of state (Texas or Oklahoma) to take one of the M's to the hospital and they didn't want to do it in AR because they were afraid of CPS
• Claims he was with them while they were staying in Oklahoma hiding from AR CPS.
• Claims Josh is not the only pedophile in the family and that the kids are still not safe even with him in jail
• Claims Duggar's have a lot of grifting hidden from the public 
• Claims he has nothing negative to say about the Duggar girls

A lot of people over there have been begging him to spill the tea.  I'll read it out of curiosity but the whole teasing people with saying there are other child predators in the family without naming them leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.  Also I'd love to know how they let his NDA expire when Amy and Deanna claim theirs are still in effect.  

Seriously, they let an NDA expire on someone who (according to his tweets) was there and flown out of state specifically to hide the Ms from CPS.  JB is not very bright, but he's dumb enough to involve a random employee in that?

Anyone in the know about how CPS works, what level of crime is it to deliberately hide kids from CPS by taking them out of state?  Is that a felony?  If you say it's not a crime my head will explode, fyi.  @nelliebelle1197 ?  @quiversR4hunting ?

Taking an injured child to a hospital in a different state to hide them from CPS makes zero sense. Is he saying they already had an active CPS case in Arkansas, that was somehow hidden ? Because unless that’s true, any hospital will have roughly the same reporting requirements. An Oklahoma hospital would just call CPS in the county they lived in if they had serious suspicions and make a report to be investigated where they live. There’s certainly a lot less likelihood of follow-through - but that would be a far from fool-proof plan. Is he saying they gave fake names? What seems more likely, if it’s true they went out of state instead of to a local dr for a kid injury - is maybe they happen to know a good orthopedist who can set a broken arm from an accidental injury and since they have planes- why not that instead of a wait at an ER. Or something similar - kid needs medical attention for x,y or z, they know a good dr in that field, they have means to transport quickly, damn they even have paramedics - why not, if its not something that requires absolute emergency treatment? 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

21 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

Amy and Deanna have NDA?! If there was abuse, wouldn't a NDA be null and void? For my conscious, I can't image abiding by a NDA if abuse was involved. NDAs can't cover criminal activities, right? Please for the love of God an attorney confirm my guess. 

NDAs do not cover crimes.  Amy has said for a long time she's working to get out of her NDA so she can spill, some people think she just says that to keep attention on her since she is so removed from the family at this point she no longer has insider info since Mary died.  

21 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

Amy and Deanna have NDA?! If there was abuse, wouldn't a NDA be null and void? For my conscious, I can't image abiding by a NDA if abuse was involved. NDAs can't cover criminal activities, right? Please for the love of God an attorney confirm my guess. 

NDAs do not cover crimes.  Amy has said for a long time she's working to get out of her NDA so she can spill, some people think she just says that to keep attention on her since she is so removed from the family at this point she no longer has insider info since Mary died.  

[SassyPants]

I also watched that clip that purportedly analyzed JB’s body language, and here’s  what it made me think about…so the clips were from the Duggars’ “reality” tv show, which we all know was fake. So if questioned, I’m sure JB would say that he was hamming it up for the camera for entertainment (gross) sake. However, what sort of truly religious person would act as JB did, which is in direct contrast to all the BS he spewed and would love to legislate? One of the the Duggars’ favorite words “modesty,” apply that to so much of what we saw and heard on that show. It appears that JB/M were willing to act against religious convictions for money. Money, always the most important item in their lives. And of course we know about their criminally abusive and convicted son…JB sold smoke and mirrors and people bought that shit, not just on TV, but in evangelical churches across the globe. And that right there should be criminal too.

9 minutes ago, IrishCarrie said:

Speaking solely as an Irish person living in Ireland, culturally we use the phrase "Irish twins" all the time without any kind of pejorative connotation - it's entirely descriptive and just means siblings with less than a year between them!

I completely get how it might have been used in a snide way to perpetuate the 'Irish Catholics breed like bunnies' narrative in communities where we were immigrants, but I just want you to encourage y'all to use it freely if you're ever in Ireland - we don't mind it at all 😁 

Obviously families are generally much smaller and planned out in 2021 than in the days of yore, but still nobody would blink at a set of Irish twins in a family - it's a pretty sensible way of getting all your pregnancies and births over and done with in a timely manner and getting on with your life 🤣

Yep…I used the term in this thread. My husband is an Irish twin and is from Ireland. My now deceased ILs had 5 kids in 4 years, none born on the exact same day, but the youngest 3 of that set, born in Oct, Nov, Dec. 

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

12 minutes ago, Mama Mia said:

Taking an injured child to a hospital in a different state to hide them from CPS makes zero sense. Is he saying they already had an active CPS case in Arkansas, that was somehow hidden ? Because unless that’s true, any hospital will have roughly the same reporting requirements. An Oklahoma hospital would just call CPS in the county they lived in if they had serious suspicions and make a report to be investigated where they live. There’s certainly a lot less likelihood of follow-through - but that would be a far from fool-proof plan. Is he saying they gave fake names? What seems more likely, if it’s true they went out of state instead of to a local dr for a kid injury - is maybe they happen to know a good orthopedist who can set a broken arm from an accidental injury and since they have planes- why not that instead of a wait at an ER. Or something similar - kid needs medical attention for x,y or z, they know a good dr in that field, they have means to transport quickly, damn they even have paramedics - why not, if its not something that requires absolute emergency treatment? 

I believe the original tweet stated that they took the M child to a family friend [physician/medic] in Texas, rather than a local ER to avoid CPS reporting.

Edited December 13, 2021 by QuiverFullOfCondoms

[FleeJanaFree]

The most interesting tidbit so far from the AMA. This guy has been verified by the Mods, by the way, I assume he had to show pictures of his employment contract. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by FleeJanaFree

[backyard sylph]

55 minutes ago, IrishCarrie said:

Speaking solely as an Irish person living in Ireland, culturally we use the phrase "Irish twins" all the time without any kind of pejorative connotation - it's entirely descriptive and just means siblings with less than a year between them!

I completely get how it might have been used in a snide way to perpetuate the 'Irish Catholics breed like bunnies' narrative in communities where we were immigrants, but I just want you to encourage y'all to use it freely if you're ever in Ireland - we don't mind it at all 😁 

Obviously families are generally much smaller and planned out in 2021 than in the days of yore, but still nobody would blink at a set of Irish twins in a family - it's a pretty sensible way of getting all your pregnancies and births over and done with in a timely manner and getting on with your life 🤣

Thank you very much for your context, that's partly why I phrased it as I did. It's like a lot of other expressions, it can just be familiar or humorous, or used in a snide sense, and I find that whole area of language pretty interesting. Also, I like to know where our expressions come from and why, and I think if more people learned word history and context, (not here necessarily, but out in The Wild,) we'd understand each other better. 

[käsekuchen]

1 hour ago, FleeJanaFree said:

The most interesting tidbit so far from the AMA. This guy has been verified by the Mods, by the way, I assume he had to show pictures of his employment contract. 

I'd love to know their verification process, just to get a sense of how reliable the source is

Edited December 13, 2021 by käsekuchen
Clarification

[SongRed7]

23 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

Yes, but when there's a court case, there are meetings, telephone calls, grownups talking strategy, etc. I remember being a kid, and I overheard a lot of things I wasn't supposed to know about.

Kids are pretty perceptive. They might not know WHAT exactly is happening/happened but they certainly know something bad DID happen. 

[libgirl2]

1 hour ago, FleeJanaFree said:

The most interesting tidbit so far from the AMA. This guy has been verified by the Mods, by the way, I assume he had to show pictures of his employment contract. 

This is the guy who has all that dirt on them or this is someone else? I think I am confused. 

[BernRul]

I'm with Buffy-- I'm highly skeptical of this security guard. On the current AMA he answers very vaguely or avoids answering the specifics. He just says stuff that will go over well (Josh was evil incarnate and I could tell from the moment I was in the room with him. He even watched porn while driving!) 

In my opinion he's either lying or exaggerating how much he knows/saw for attention. Mods claim they verified him but I heard they've been fooled before. His comments about Josh being such an obvious creep doesn't fit with what Justin (I Pray You Put This Journal Away) and Clint (testified for prosecution and did an AMA) say, which is that Josh is smug but likeable in their group.

[libgirl2]

11 minutes ago, BernRul said:

I'm with Buffy-- I'm highly skeptical of this security guard. On the current AMA he answers very vaguely or avoids answering the specifics. He just says stuff that will go over well (Josh was evil incarnate and I could tell from the moment I was in the room with him. He even watched porn while driving!) 

In my opinion he's either lying or exaggerating how much he knows/saw for attention. Mods claim they verified him but I heard they've been fooled before. His comments about Josh being such an obvious creep doesn't fit with what Justin (I Pray You Put This Journal Away) and Clint (testified for prosecution and did an AMA) say, which is that Josh is smug but likeable in their group.

You would think he would be likeable as it is easier to hide his behavior by being a seemingly smug but nice guy. 

[Ilovebrownies]

It would make sense that they took the child to TX to avoid CPS if there was an open case on them.  There is probably an open case on them now and that’s why Jana was hit with a charge.  I hope we get answers to all this shit and JB gets what he deserves.

[TuringMachine]

11 minutes ago, BernRul said:

His comments about Josh being such an obvious creep doesn't fit with what Justin (I Pray You Put This Journal Away) and Clint (testified for prosecution and did an AMA) say, which is that Josh is smug but likeable in their group.

Is it possible growing up in their circles impacted their ability to sense a creep? 

That being said I agree with being skeptical of this guy.

[ifosterkittens]

Jon Gosselin (from John and Kate plus 8) had a ten-year NDA from TLC. Maybe 10 years is standard for TLC?

Josh may have viewed the bodyguard as "the help" and therefore lesser, and not worth pretending to be a nice guy. 

2 hours ago, Mama Mia said:

• Claims Josh is not the only pedophile in the family and that the kids are still not safe even with him in jail
• Claims Duggar's have a lot of grifting hidden from the public 

For the kids' sake I hope the bodyguard is wrong about the claims Josh isn't the only pedophile. 

I am not at all surprised Duggars hid a lot of grifting from the public. I suspect JB frequently uses friends for the "friends and family discount" on most things with the exception of his accountant, financial advisor and lawyers. 

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, ifosterkittens said:

Jon Gosselin (from John and Kate plus 😎 had a ten-year NDA from TLC. Maybe 10 years is standard for TLC?

Josh may have viewed the bodyguard as "the help" and therefore lesser, and not worth pretending to be a nice guy. 

For the kids' sake I hope the bodyguard is wrong about the claims Josh isn't the only pedophile. 

I am not at all surprised Duggars hid a lot of grifting from the public. I suspect JB frequently uses friends for the "friends and family discount" on most things with the exception of his accountant, financial advisor and lawyers. 

i hope not either but would I be surprised? No. 

[Queen Of Hearts]

10 hours ago, imokit said:

Jinger, Jill and Joy - who were all very negative about Josh, all mentioned Anna and the children.  They're speaking out against Josh, but all 3 were being very careful and explicit to support Anna.

I'm more interested in the fact that we've heard from every married girl, but no married son.  JD, Joe and Josiah have seemingly been in hiding, I can't remember if Justin was one of the boys who liked Jinger's post or not.  But no Duggar boy has attempted their own statement.

The daughters are also very active on social media, whereas the sons are not.  That may come into play for those who choose to speak out now.  Frankly, I feel they all have a right to remain silent on this if they choose.  They are not the ones who did the crime, they just have the unfortunate reality of being related to the one who did.  All these kids are victims of this lifestyle in one way or another.  Some of them probably want to just hide under a rock and pretend they have no connection to Josh.  

[sableduck]

Idk—I feel skeptical of this bodyguard. For starters, why did josh and Anna have a bodyguard? Does he say? They aren’t exactly super well known celebrities anywhere but their own heads.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

37 minutes ago, BernRul said:

I'm with Buffy-- I'm highly skeptical of this security guard. On the current AMA he answers very vaguely or avoids answering the specifics. He just says stuff that will go over well (Josh was evil incarnate and I could tell from the moment I was in the room with him. He even watched porn while driving!) 

In my opinion he's either lying or exaggerating how much he knows/saw for attention. Mods claim they verified him but I heard they've been fooled before. His comments about Josh being such an obvious creep doesn't fit with what Justin (I Pray You Put This Journal Away) and Clint (testified for prosecution and did an AMA) say, which is that Josh is smug but likeable in their group.

I've scrolled though all his responses and there is one that couldn't have been written by any of us.  The few bits of new information are impossible to verify.

I would take this with several tons of salt.  

He tweeted very provocative things to get people talking then refused to elaborate.  I'm not buying it. 

Although the humper who asked, 'besides all this garbage, can you tell us some cute stories of when you were with them' cracked me up.  Way to focus on what's important!

10 minutes ago, sableduck said:

Idk—I feel skeptical of this bodyguard. For starters, why did josh and Anna have a bodyguard? Does he say? They aren’t exactly super well known celebrities anywhere but their own heads.

He said he was working for a company contracted my TLC to protect josh and avoid paparazzi because this was right after InTouch broke the story on the CSA of his sisters and they were trying to decide what to do with the show.

19 minutes ago, ifosterkittens said:

Jon Gosselin (from John and Kate plus 😎 had a ten-year NDA from TLC. Maybe 10 years is standard for TLC?

Josh may have viewed the bodyguard as "the help" and therefore lesser, and not worth pretending to be a nice guy. 

For the kids' sake I hope the bodyguard is wrong about the claims Josh isn't the only pedophile. 

I am not at all surprised Duggars hid a lot of grifting from the public. I suspect JB frequently uses friends for the "friends and family discount" on most things with the exception of his accountant, financial advisor and lawyers. 

Yeah he's threw that out on twitter but won't address it in the AMA.  

Says there are things he saw that he reported but didn't say what they were or even if they were abuse, and didn't say to whom he reported.  

[Baba O'Riley]

13 minutes ago, sableduck said:

Idk—I feel skeptical of this bodyguard. For starters, why did josh and Anna have a bodyguard? Does he say? They aren’t exactly super well known celebrities anywhere but their own heads.

He said that TLC hired the bodyguard.  I think he said it was in reaction to the In Touch molestation article  but before the Ashley Madison scandal.

[Mama Mia]

10 minutes ago, sableduck said:

Idk—I feel skeptical of this bodyguard. For starters, why did josh and Anna have a bodyguard? Does he say? They aren’t exactly super well known celebrities anywhere but their own heads.

He states he was hired through an agency following the initial In-Touch scandal in 2015, and worked for a few months while they were trying to keep Josh out of the public eye and paparazzi away. I’m taking his specific statements with a big shaker of salt, but he probably got some decent general impressions of how the family interacted during that crisis. I’m not surprised they’d have security during that time. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

24 minutes ago, TuringMachine said:

Is it possible growing up in their circles impacted their ability to sense a creep? 

That being said I agree with being skeptical of this guy.

He said his superpower is being able to sniff out predators.  There is no sense of humor in anything he says so....take that for what it is.

[Tatar-tot]

I thought it was quite surprising read the post by Bobye Holt on her Facebook account.  It was shocking.  It was sad.  JB and Michele really did a number on the girls. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

47 minutes ago, BernRul said:

He even watched porn while driving!) 

He said Josh was driving alone and he was in the follow car behind.  If the car in front of you had a phone on a window mount could you see what's on the screen while driving?  I couldn't, but maybe I'm Mr. Magoo.