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11 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Duggar pastor weighing in https://people.com/tv/duggars-pastor-ronnie-floyd-on-josh-duggars-scandal/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

This is asinine: “All of us were surprised by the news because ... their reputation in Arkansas is that they are a very Christian family.” 
 

Pastors of all people know that people hide or carry terrible secrets.

I wish he’d rather have talked about how churches can try and be safe for children. 

 

 

The article is from 2015 and is about the molestation scandal, not the current scandal. It’s not clear if he was the one exaggerating the connection or if it was the writer, but he wasn’t the Duggars’ pastor at that time. He was the senior pastor at Cross Church, where Jill and Derick are members at one of the other locations. The Duggars were married there and they were members in the past, and sold their previous house to the church.

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16 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Duggar pastor weighing in https://people.com/tv/duggars-pastor-ronnie-floyd-on-josh-duggars-scandal/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

This is asinine: “All of us were surprised by the news because ... their reputation in Arkansas is that they are a very Christian family.” 
 

Pastors of all people know that people hide or carry terrible secrets.

I wish he’d rather have talked about how churches can try and be safe for children. 

 

 

While this was a crappy comment  to make period , this article was from 2015 when the initial scandal broke out 

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33 minutes ago, CinnaJen said:
Do you all remember Jared from Subway who was imprisoned on similar charges?  He was sentenced to 15 years and is still in prison.  It looks like they won’t consider parole until he’s served 13 years.  If Josh is found guilty he will likely spend a good amount of time away.  

Jared actually sexually assaulted MULTIPLE minors in addition to CP. Its disgusting thats all he gets while many non violent crimes, mostly drug related, have much longer mandatory sentences.

Jared should have received life without parole for what he admitted to doing.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/19/456622271/jared-fogle-to-learn-sentence-for-sex-with-minors-child-pornography


 

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Hasn’t Lori made a post about how a husband who is a danger to his wife and kids should be separated, but not divorced? Including jail time? But that the wife can’t divorce, just separate for safety sake? And visit/ love from afar? So that when husband goes to heaven he will realize wife’s devotion and agree to rise her up at the end times? Something stupid like that?

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7 minutes ago, Heidijoey said:

While this was a crappy comment  to make period , this article was from 2015 when the initial scandal broke out 

Oh gosh thanks guys. My bad for not reading carefully. Someone shared it on Twitter and I didn’t check the date. 

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1 minute ago, zee_four said:

Jared actually sexually assaulted MULTIPLE minors in addition to CP. Its disgusting thats all he gets while many non violent crimes, mostly drug related, have much longer mandatory sentences.

Jared should have received life without parole for what he admitted to doing.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/19/456622271/jared-fogle-to-learn-sentence-for-sex-with-minors-child-pornography

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I just finished reading his Wiki page-it gave me chills. I am disgusted that he had the audacity to ask for the minimum sentence.  He is truly a predator with no conscience or apparent remorse for those he victimized.  

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I just read that WOACB is saying a source says that the Duggars believe CSA was planted on his computer to cause Sarah Huckabee Sanders to lose her campaign because she made a twitter post saying she was a friend of Josh’s and the Duggars.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9549785/Josh-Duggar-used-darkweb-bypass-anti-child-porn-software-installed-wife-Anna-court-hears.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9550647/Inside-Christian-rehab-Josh-Duggar-sent-admitted-porn-addiction-2015.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9551305/Josh-Duggar-freed-bail-child-porn-charges-heads-home-family-friend.html

The thread is moving so fast I am sure that today's articles have already been shared, But Who wants to bet JB negotiated not to pay the full 7500 a month rehab costs. 

I also agree with someone on the other thread that said that Jerk wad was smiling/smirking under his mask. Covid did this fucker a favour by making him need a mask so the smile is not splashed everywhere. I wonder if JB insisted he wore it because he knew his son would look bad smiling.

Also someone said JB would be paying the Christian Gaolers now house arresting Josh. That tight wad will be paying them jack.... They will be lucky to get grocery and electricity and water money off him to cover fucktard in his stay.

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2 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

I just read that WOACB is saying a source says that the Duggars believe CSA was planted on his campaign to cause Sarah Huckabee Sanders to lose her campaign because she made a twitter post saying she was a friend of Josh’s and the Duggars.

Sarah would have just left her post as press secretary for the Cheeto who was in control of the Justice Department at the time of the raid. She hadn’t even started running for governor.  I don’t think the  Duggars are that stupid. They have no illusions about Josh’s behavior. I also think Josh stopped being the golden boy when the Ashley Madison scandal happened. JB likely realized his son was a loser long before this arrest. I bet Anna will be spending several nights a week with Josh while Jana looks after the kids. 

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40 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Oh God, I hadn’t thought about that. I actually don’t think it would happen. He’s got loads of grandchildren already with more to come. He doesn’t need to be supporting any more of Josh’s kids, or maintaining two households for Josh’s former and current wives. My guess is that Josh will be in prison for a long time, and then he will either live with Anna or alone afterwards. Hopefully he can get some therapy and education in prison.

I think when we start imagining (a) that Anna might divorce Josh and (b) that JB would find Josh another girl to marry we are definitely moving into fantasyland.

(a) It is highly unlikely that Anna will divorce Josh, even if (maybe especially if) he goes to prison.

(b) JB would have difficulty finding a family that would want the alliance, especially if Josh goes to prison.

I also agree that there is no good reason to believe that JB would want that badly for Josh to remarry.  Josh has been a problem ever since he hit puberty.  I think that if Josh goes to prison, JB will not complicate his life further but getting Josh to start a new family,

Honestly, if I were JB, when Josh got out of prison, I would send him on a mission to Brazil or Peru (far south of the border) and pay him to stay there.  I would encourage him to change his name and never ever come back to the States.  Then I would tell people that my beloved son had been doing great work for the Lord in Dangerous South America before he disappeared in the Amazonian Jungle.  I would hint that maybe cannibals ate him. (No cannibals in that area as far as I know, but fundies don’t know that.)  In short, I wouldn’t try to find him a new family, I’d do everything to help him disappear from mine.  ?  Of course, that is just fantasyland too. 

I think we should stick to the stronger probability that Anna is not going to divorce Josh.

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The Reber's Photos are now public. People are going to spit on them for housing a pedo. I know they would in Australia anyway. Persecuted christian crap and doing it for god doesn't really work here. They would be tarnished for life as useless do gooders that sheltered a pedo.

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Great Twitter thread condemning patriarchal abuse and misogyny in Josh's case: 

 

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If Josh was smiling, maybe it's because he knows how much havoc he has already caused and can continue to inflict on his family. 

Would he be allowed to write a tell-all in prison, while JB is (presumably) supporting his wife and soon-to-be seven kids and scrambling to restore some of the family's finances and reputation?

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3 hours ago, CinnaJen said:

The poor kids have been through a lot and I’m sure she is concerned about further traumatizing them-I hadn’t thought of it from that perspective.  My hope is that she wouldn’t try to protect Josh if she suspected he was harming their kids.  I don’t know how deep the loyalty to the headship runs but would like to think the well being of her children would come first.  

Yeah the kids have been through a lot but as a mother I would view this as a neccesaary step. I would want my kids examined and questioned. I would want it to be professional safe and as less traumatic as possible. As far as medical examinations go, trigger warning under spoiler

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My friend who was abused told me that when she was medically examined, they put her under a general. I know this is extreme and not suitable for every case but for her it worked and it left her less tramautised. 

If medical inspections were necessary I would again too make sure they were conducted as less traumatic for my kids. 

You know why I would agree to all of this because my kid comes first and I want to know that she was not hurt. I would not care if it was my husband. I would want to find out the truth and take it from there. 

Anna keeps getting passes if Anna does not step up for those kids she can fuck right off to hell where the god i believe in has a special place in hell for people like josh.

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7 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

If Josh was smiling, maybe it's because he knows how much havoc he has already caused and can continue to inflict on his family. 

Would he be allowed to write a tell-all in prison, while JB is (presumably) supporting his wife and soon-to-be seven kids and scrambling to restore some of the family's finances and reputation?

He can write whatever he wants,  but profits from books/interviews, etc. can be siezed by the state if he owes fines or has a judgment against him, or attached as assets in any potential lawsuit brought by a victim.   

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26 minutes ago, Smee said:

Anyway, whenever I read about how other fundies are responding to Josh's crimes, I wonder how often that verse (probably in KJV) is repeated in their minds too. 

on the Duggar Family Blog (run by friends of the Duggars) when they posted of the arrest with the usual "pray for the family" message the responses seemed to be split three ways

1) praying for the family as instructed

2) objecting to the lack of prayers for the actual victims

3) trying to find a way to excuse him. Including the defense that only god can heal, only god can judge, everyone deserves a second chance - it's sickening.

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43 minutes ago, Smee said:

I'm not fundie, but have been part of evangelical churches for quite some time here in Australia and am often grateful that the Baptist churches I've attended here are more open to questioning and growing than doubling down on patriarchy and racism like I see happening in the US. They are still overwhelmingly homophobic, but more in a "we don't endorse gay marriages" way than a "we will actively be awful to your face" way e.g. there's a trans woman at my church and everyone uses she/her pronouns for her. They also have mandatory child protection training for anyone in ministry, and it was explicitly said to me in one of those training session that "the era of a wife must submit to her abusive husband is over, we have a responsibility to protect her and to report any abuse that children might witness". 

I wrote in an earlier thread, just after he was arrested but before the charges were known, that I understood why Anna hadn't left Josh in 2015 and how I recently separated from my own husband (very recently, we're literally still under the same roof while I try to find a rental in our area). Many would describe his behaviour towards me as emotional and sexual abuse, and it dates back many years. Still, he is recognising that in himself, saying sorry, promising to change, seeing his own counsellors, asking for marriage counselling, and every time I try to say "it's too late" I feel like I'm being hard-hearted. Every time my 4-year-old asks "why don't you love Daddy anymore?" I feel like a horrible mother. I have been talking to friends, both Christian and non, and my pastor (who is also talking to my ex-husband) and while I think many do hope that the change in him is genuine and we reconcile eventually, none have told me that I am doing the wrong thing, or that this is against what God wants, or that I should stay and give him another chance. But the thing is, they don't have to. I've sat in the congregation and heard enough generalised stuff from the pulpit to guess what they're thinking whether they say it aloud or not. They don't have to explicitly remind me of these words from the Bible for me to remember them over and over and doubt myself:

Anyway, whenever I read about how other fundies are responding to Josh's crimes, I wonder how often that verse (probably in KJV) is repeated in their minds too. 

Oh Honey so much love for you

Sending love and light to anyone also struggling with and because of the triggers in this thread.

You are strong and you are heard.

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@EmCatlynBanishing Josh to a foreign country where there could be innocent adults and children less familiar with his crimes doesn't seem like a great plan.

I think, if lifetime jail sentences aren't realistic for all the people who need them, like possibly pedophiles.... and maybe mental/psychological rehabilitation isn't the easiest solution either. .... Then we put them on  an island. Ok yeah that doesn't work.

I don't recall the last time we discussed chemical castration as an option. I did watch a very painful documentary (I'll post the name if j find it) about offenders. It was painful in their honesty. One of the men compared it to being gay. A couple of them did feel like they were a risk to the community. But in terms of their freedom, and being able to be rehabilitated that way - there was interest expressed in taking the drugs.

It's certainly something that can be monitored with testing.

I'm spitballling here. Your comment made me think of it. Jail crowding remains a problem and I don't suggest they serve no time or less time. Just a way to help solve the problem from recurring.

 

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1 hour ago, BlondeAgent007 said:

I can't think of any fundie divorces off the top of my head

Bradrick!

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4 minutes ago, fluffy said:

Bradrick!

Ah yes, I've been away too long.  I also completely forgot about Emily and Dna, and how could I?  Emily is still my favorite fundie and I occasionally reread my favorite Under1000 posts and pray Emily returns to blogging.

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1 hour ago, kmachete14 said:

Hasn’t Lori made a post about how a husband who is a danger to his wife and kids should be separated, but not divorced? Including jail time? But that the wife can’t divorce, just separate for safety sake? And visit/ love from afar? So that when husband goes to heaven he will realize wife’s devotion and agree to rise her up at the end times? Something stupid like that?

It was Pearls I think.

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49 minutes ago, Smee said:

I'm not fundie, but have been part of evangelical churches for quite some time here in Australia and am often grateful that the Baptist churches I've attended here are more open to questioning and growing than doubling down on patriarchy and racism like I see happening in the US. They are still overwhelmingly homophobic, but more in a "we don't endorse gay marriages" way than a "we will actively be awful to your face" way e.g. there's a trans woman at my church and everyone uses she/her pronouns for her. They also have mandatory child protection training for anyone in ministry, and it was explicitly said to me in one of those training session that "the era of a wife must submit to her abusive husband is over, we have a responsibility to protect her and to report any abuse that children might witness". 

I wrote in an earlier thread, just after he was arrested but before the charges were known, that I understood why Anna hadn't left Josh in 2015 and how I recently separated from my own husband (very recently, we're literally still under the same roof while I try to find a rental in our area). Many would describe his behaviour towards me as emotional and sexual abuse, and it dates back many years. Still, he is recognising that in himself, saying sorry, promising to change, seeing his own counsellors, asking for marriage counselling, and every time I try to say "it's too late" I feel like I'm being hard-hearted. Every time my 4-year-old asks "why don't you love Daddy anymore?" I feel like a horrible mother. I have been talking to friends, both Christian and non, and my pastor (who is also talking to my ex-husband) and while I think many do hope that the change in him is genuine and we reconcile eventually, none have told me that I am doing the wrong thing, or that this is against what God wants, or that I should stay and give him another chance. But the thing is, they don't have to. I've sat in the congregation and heard enough generalised stuff from the pulpit to guess what they're thinking whether they say it aloud or not. They don't have to explicitly remind me of these words from the Bible for me to remember them over and over and doubt myself:

Anyway, whenever I read about how other fundies are responding to Josh's crimes, I wonder how often that verse (probably in KJV) is repeated in their minds too. 

I recommend this for a fresh , healthy perspective on Christian divorce.  I am not evangelical,  but find parts of his experience relevant. www.divorceminister.com

He is a minister whose wife cheated on him and he was told by his church elders or whatever they're called that he should be a better headship, and divorce is a sin and he has to forgive and that whole shtick.  So he left that church to focus on getting his evangelical community to take adultery more seriously and minister to divorced persons. He challenges traditional ideas about forgiveness and peoples interpretation of the biblical verses about Hosea, which is often used to guilt people into tolerating adultery and abuse. I'm sorry you're hurting. 

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