[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh & Anna 30: LaCounting On to His Trial Date

[HerNameIsBuffy]

I just saw this posted on the main Duggar thread (thanks @WiseGirl ) and hadn't heard this before.  The case of Jill, Jessa, Jinger, and Joy suing which they filed in 2017.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/30/duggar-daughters-case-on-fall-track/

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FAYETTEVILLE -- A judge wants to hear this fall the remaining claims in a federal lawsuit filed by four of Jim Bob Duggar's daughters over the release to the media of police reports of alleged sexual abuse at the hands of their brother.

 

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Lawyers for the women said they plan to streamline their damage claims to include money for a lifetime therapy plan and for emotional distress, pain and suffering.

Timing isn't good for Josh.  It's going to remind those paying attention of the trauma of his sisters the publicizing of which is causing them to sue for life time therapy plans.  

[laPapessaGiovanna]

39 minutes ago, PsyD2013 said:

I have worked with individuals who as juveniles  initially landed in offender treatment program for watching porn at school and showing it it peers.

And this was enough to land them in offender treatment program? If that were the case a third of my high school mates would have landed there (I was in high school when eMule was a thing). Afaik none of them went on to become a sex offender.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 minute ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

And this was enough to land them in offender treatment program? If that were the case a third of my high school mates would have landed there (I was in high school when eMule was a thing). Afaik none of them went on to become a sex offender.

This.  Honestly if one is talking about legal porn and this is all it takes to be labeled an offender then the word is so diluted as to mean nothing.  Since the internet because ubiquitous I'd think the majority of teens have seen porn at some point so how does that correlate to being an offender? 

Like saying most murderers enjoy music.  Sure, because most humans do....it's not related to criminal behavior.

[Ilovebrownies]

33 minutes ago, AnnEggBlandHer? said:

Just want to mention for everyone hoping Anna will put the kids first…she has been taught her entire life that your spouse is more important than your kids. She has been taught that the best thing you can do for your kids is maintain your marriage. 
I would be absolutely shocked if she initiated a divorce. 

I heard one of the YT commentators say that being released home or allowing Josh to see the kids was her request.  She is blind to his derangement.  I think the judge should have required those kids to be examined before any visitation was granted. 

[bertnee]

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I referenced the CBC podcast series Hunting Warhead which is a highly disturbing but very informative account of how CSA materials are distributed, who creates & accesses them on dark web sites, how those dark web sites work, and how LE goes after it all.

I don't recall the specific Australian video you mention but Australian LE were instrumental in taking down the particular dark site described in this podcast and its owner. The owner is a Canadian and was convicted of CSA crimes in the US where he is currently imprisoned.

@hoipolloi, maybe the one I found was referenced on Reddit, I've been following the Duggars in both places. But it wasn't from the CBC, I can't remember the name of it but it was a "true crime follower" not an official/professional media company. 

The abuser in that video is the person/report featured on Australia 60 Minutes episode called "Catching a Monster: Australia's worst paedophile". This person was caught in the Philippines along with 2 accomplices but is Australian. The video he recorded and sold on the dark web is one of the files that was found on Josh's computer according to the bond trial.

[Jrodseyeliner]

Not sure of this has been covered or not. These threads are moving so fast I can’t keep up. 
 

I hope that somewhere, JB and Mooch are are doubting themselves and their lifetime of choices that have lead to this moment... The fact that they had too many kids to handle and they couldn’t give each one enough time, energy and love. Their stupid modesty standards, their stupid side hugs. But mostly how they preached to the world how godly they were for it for their lifetime.. 

I hope they do reflect on it and realise how much they fucked up. 

[AuntK]

This may have already been posted, if so, I apologize, but I just read on Twitter that the Arkansas judge who released Josh on his OWN RECOGNIZANCE just got appointed to her position on APRIL 29! Before that, she worked as an attorney in a firm representing truckers. 

Our judicial system sucks. The elevation of unqualified persons to the bench by political appointment based upon friends, family and money has got to stop. I don't care if it's always been this way, maybe we should consider ELECTING federal magistrates and judges.

Edited May 7, 2021 by AuntK
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[lexiloumarie]

15 minutes ago, AuntK said:

This may have already been posted, if so, I apologize, but I just read on Twitter that the Arkansas judge who released Josh on his OWN RECOGNIZANCE just got appointed to her position on APRIL 29! Before that, she worked as an attorney in a firm representing truckers. 

Our judicial system sucks. The elevation of unqualified persons to the bench by political appointment based upon friends, family and money has got to stop. I don't care if it's always been this way, maybe we should consider ELECTING federal magistrates and judges.

Federal judges need to be able to put politics as much to the side as possible. Election cycles would just subject judges to the same BS that politicians face - it's why they're lifetime appointments same as the Supreme court. That would be an absolute nightmare. 

[BlackberryGirl]

I honestly don’t think Smugger will make it through his imprisonment. I fully expect him to get shanked after getting some rough jailhouse justice.  

this is not what I hope, just what I expect. What I WISH....well, aint gonna happen..life imprisonment in a very small cell, 23 hours a day, til the day when they sweep his unremembered bones from the floor.

no interviews, no book deals, no true crime tv or movies about him, no psychologists studying him, just loneliness and obscurity.

Edited May 7, 2021 by BlackberryGirl
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[Jess]

5 minutes ago, BlackberryGirl said:

I honestly don’t think Smugger will make it through his imprisonment. I fully expect him to get shanked after getting some rough jailhouse justice.  

this is not what I hope, just what I expect. What I WISH....well, aint gonna happen..life imprisonment in a very small cell, 23 hours a day, til the day when they sweep his unremembered bones from the floor.

no interviews, no book deals, no true crime tv or movies about him, no psychologists studying him, just loneliness and obscurity.

I don’t actually want to do anything that defends Josh Duggar. However, I can not condone in general solitary confinement of the nature you described as being part of our system for anyone who does not present a very large danger to other inmates and prison staff leaving them with absolutely no other choice for the safety of others. I encourage you to read up on its effects and just how terrible it is it really is akin to torture. I don’t want to live in a society that condones regular torture of its prison population. 

As to him being shanked I doubt it, unless something new comes go light he will almost certainly end up housed in a medium security prison with a large percentage of other sex offenders. Getting shanked is more of a maximum security prison issue. In medium security people generally don’t have a history of violence and are not going to shank someone and risk their own release. 

[Mela99]

Anyone else almost feel hung over after catching up on all the threads? Phew. I need a pizza. Or a cheesecake. 

[WarriorJane]

40 minutes ago, AuntK said:

This may have already been posted, if so, I apologize, but I just read on Twitter that the Arkansas judge who released Josh on his OWN RECOGNIZANCE just got appointed to her position on APRIL 29! Before that, she worked as an attorney in a firm representing truckers. 

Our judicial system sucks. The elevation of unqualified persons to the bench by political appointment based upon friends, family and money has got to stop. I don't care if it's always been this way, maybe we should consider ELECTING federal magistrates and judges.

She is a Magistrate,  not the District Court Judge.  Appointed by the judges,  not the president.  Not a political appointment,  not a lifetime appointment. 

[feministxtian]

Puppies, crates and training...Sadie was crated overnight from the beginning. At first her crate was in my room, next to my bed. Then, as she outgrew that crate, I shifted to the big one that I've used for moving the ferocious felines. That one is behind the couch, where she can see my bedroom door. She has her blanket, a revolving assortment of toys and chewies, and is always given a treat for going into her crate. Since she's still destructo-pup, she's also crated when I leave the house (not often). Same deal, toys, chewies and treats. It didn't take but a minute to housetrain her, we had pee accidents but no poop ones. Since I work from home and am a smoker (yeah, yeah...), she gets to go out about every 90-120 minutes during the day. We've been working on basic commands but she's a little hard-headed. Funny how she knows I'm not playing if I use my "mom" voice. 

Puppies are work and yes, it's more about training YOU than it is the pup. Learning their little "i gotta go potty" signs is just a start. Then they grow up into hideously spoiled, beautiful, best buddies. Cats are easier...sort of. Luke knocks crap off my desk when he decides that him being petted is more important than teaching my class. Leia thinks its great fun to bat something all over the floor and raise a ruckus while I'm teaching as she can demonstrate that her raising hell is FAR more important than being quiet. 

Sorta like having kids!

[Snarkasarus Rex]

10 minutes ago, WarriorJane said:

She is a Magistrate,  not the District Court Judge.  Appointed by the judges,  not the president.  Not a political appointment,  not a lifetime appointment. 

Also, the consensus I’m seeing from those with actual legal knowledge is that her ruling was the most appropriate choice based on the information presented. No one likes it, but it’s better that law and procedure were followed appropriately. She also placed a lot of restrictions on him and expressed several concerns during the hearing. 

IMO, this was actually the worst outcome for the family because he’s probably going to fuck up.

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[Mama Mia]

1 hour ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

This.  Honestly if one is talking about legal porn and this is all it takes to be labeled an offender then the word is so diluted as to mean nothing.  Since the internet because ubiquitous I'd think the majority of teens have seen porn at some point so how does that correlate to being an offender? 

Like saying most murderers enjoy music.  Sure, because most humans do....it's not related to criminal behavior.

IIRC there was a time about 10 -15? - years ago when smart phones first became widely available- that there were authorities charging teens with distributing child porn because they were sexting photos and videos of each other to boy friends/ girl friends. I don’t know if all of that has calmed down now? I assume so.

4 minutes ago, Snarkasarus Rex said:

Also, the consensus I’m seeing from those with actual legal knowledge is that her ruling was the most appropriate choice based on the information presented. No one likes it, but it’s better that law and procedure were followed appropriately. She also placed a lot of restrictions on him and expressed several concerns during the hearing. 

IMO, this was actually the worst outcome for the family because he’s probably going to fuck up.

His parents and attorneys should definitely try to push him to a plea agreement sooner rather than later - he is nothing if not self-sabotaging. 
 

 

 

 

[SnarkyLawyer]

1 minute ago, Snarkasarus Rex said:

Also, the consensus I’m seeing from those with actual legal knowledge is that her ruling was the most appropriate choice based on the information presented. No one likes it, but it’s better that law and procedure were followed appropriately. She also placed a lot of restrictions on him and expressed several concerns during the hearing. 

I've never heard a judge actually say, "As for whether the defendant poses an imminent threat to the community, I don't know." She was about as candid, as can be, and very thoughtful about balancing his rights as a defendant, and the rights of his community and children to stay safe. My only major disagreement was the 3rd party custodian choice, which I think puts some of the other mandated safeguards at risk of not being followed. 

[fluffernutter]

This is my first ever grand... puppy. ? I Hope I uploaded? downloaded? it right. I am not the most computer-savvy. My oldest and her husband got this little cutie-pie and boy oh boy I forgot how rambunctious puppies are. She is darling- when she is asleep. ? 

[SassyPants]

I heard a quote yesterday and neglected to write it down, but it was something about youth being the time to be given decisions to be made  and to learn, grow and mature from both the good decisions and the bad and this process is what allows people to become contributing adults able to successfully live in community with others.

The Duggars method was the antithesis of this approach.

[livinginthelight]

2 hours ago, Smee said:

Hesitating to even bring this up, but... back when the molestation scandal broke, the reports were that Josh had abused four of the five sisters he had at the time. I remember some “why not Jana” with speculation that she was a lighter sleeper, or he had less power over her making her more likely to tell, or even that she HAD been a victim too but had stayed silent the whole time. Now I can’t help but think it’s that Jana was already going through puberty, and his perversion was towards children right from the start. It wasn’t just power or opportunity. It was little girls. 
 

I hate their cult for not valuing those little girls more.

I agree with you, but how do we know his preference is just little girls? It may simply be that girls were the next in line birthwise. Or they're the ones we know about. I'm not speculating specifically about the Duggars, but these molesters can be very opportunistic and children of both sexes are not always safe. And boys often have an even harder time speaking up (not that it's ever easy), particularly in these conservative circles, because of the stigma of implied homosexuality.

[Howl]

Josh is all over the place in his sexual dysfunction (compulsions?) -- prostitutes, Ashley Madison, child molestation, porn, brutal visual images of child molestation and who knows what else. 

Can anyone weigh in on how this might be different than someone who is very specifically sexually fixated on one type of victim? 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Howl

[SassyPants]

3 minutes ago, Howl said:

Josh is all over the place in his sexual dysfunction -- prostitutes, Ashley Madison, child molestation, porn, brutal visual images of child molestation and who knows what else. 

Can anyone weigh in on how this might be different than someone who is specifically sexually fixated on one type of victim? 

Anyone surprised that Josh has an unhealthy approach to sex and relationships? WTH was going on in his childhood home? Maybe JB should have been spending more time with his Bible, isolated  in the prayer closest.

Edited May 7, 2021 by SassyPants

[feministxtian]

15 minutes ago, fluffernutter said:

My oldest and her husband got this little cutie-pie and boy oh boy I forgot how rambunctious puppies are. She is darling- when she is asleep. ? 

Puppies, kittens and babies...wonderful when they're asleep. Hell on wheels when they're awake! 

Sadie is currently in her crate taking her frustrations out on one of her chew bones. No, she's not locked in there, she goes in voluntarily. The door is open when I'm home. She likes her crate. I think the cats pissed her off...

[JenniferJuniper]

2 minutes ago, Howl said:

Josh is all over the place in his sexual dysfunction -- prostitutes, Ashley Madison, child molestation, porn, brutal visual images of child molestation and who knows what else. 

Can anyone weigh in on how this might be different than someone who is specifically sexually fixated on one type of victim? 

I can't vouch for this fact sheet, but is annotated.  Bunch of very scary statistics. 

Crossover and Recidivism   https://www.cityofgolden.net/media/FASO.pdf 

[violynn]

11 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

I just read that WOACB is saying a source says that the Duggars believe CSA was planted on his computer to cause Sarah Huckabee Sanders to lose her campaign because she made a twitter post saying she was a friend of Josh’s and the Duggars.

Am I remembering wrong, or didn't there used to be a head/desk emoji and a 'wow' emoji?  I coulda sworn....

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 minute ago, lexiloumarie said:

Federal judges need to be able to put politics as much to the side as possible. Election cycles would just subject judges to the same BS that politicians face - it's why they're lifetime appointments same as the Supreme court. That would be an absolute nightmare. 

I disagree with lifetime appointments to anything, but I do agree that elections aren't the answer.  Appointments with terms where they need to be reappointed would make more sense to me, so they could serve for a lifetime if they were effective but it wouldn't be so hard to remove the ones that aren't.  

We have so many judges on our election ballots here it's really daunting.  I try hard to be a conscientious voter and do my research ahead of time but with the political candidates and propositions researching 30-40+ judges I've never heard of is impossible to do well.  You can't just look at track records, you have to know something about the cases to be able to judge their rulings.  Unless a judge has been in the news for either a heinous or awesome call I don't know one person who votes based on the judge as an individual.  

For me I can't go by sound bytes like "tough on crime"  or "will keep your community safe."   Because I think everyone should have a safe community and I do want a judge to be tough on crime in the sense that they'll hold violent offenders accountable and protect the public, especially in the cases involving children.  But I am opposed to those "tough on crime" who think it means locking up everyone with non-violent drug offenses, interpreting the law to get more convictions rather than the merits of each case, and those using those terms as dog whistles have no business in any government role much less the judiciary.  

Electing judges may, I don't know, work in a place like Fayetteville where it's probably feasible to research their records enough to get a decent idea.  But in Cook County which includes Chicago?  It would be a full time job just to evaluate a small sampling of cases from each judge.