Counting On Season 11: How Low Can They Go?

[NancyDrewFan1989]

3 hours ago, formergothardite said:

I don’t see how they can have a spin off unless they first address Josh. Addressing Josh is messy because the family very much sugar coated him molesting his siblings. The only way to move forward would be to toss him and their family belief system under the bus. 

I don't think they will address any problem involving Josh until after the trial. Plus, if TLC does want to have the Duggar's featured in a show again, they are going to have to do in a very smart and sensitive manner. Not too many people are going to be as forgiving of the family as they were the last time. Bringing the family back before Josh either pleads guilty and/or has had his trial would be, in my opinion, disastrous for the network. Plus last time, Josh's victims, who were his sisters, publicly forgave him and I think many followers of the show wanted to hear from Anna point blank. Counting On, if I remember correctly, was "supposed" to be a three part mini series leading to Jessa's birth of Spurgeon. The show got high ratings and got renewed for a TV series.

[JermajestyDuggar]

12 hours ago, Dandruff said:

Maybe Justin could be featured in a mini-series called "Becoming UnDuggar"?

Duggar Bugger Off

UnDuggaring

Breaking Duggar

OutDuggared

 

[HereticHick]

9 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Duggar Bugger Off

UnDuggaring

Breaking Duggar

OutDuggared

 

so great!

Josh Can F**K Himself

Duggars Up A Creek

[JermajestyDuggar]

Thought of some more:
 

Instead of Sweet Home Sextuplets, it can be Sweet Home Sex Scandal. 
 

Doubling Down with Derick Dillard

90 Day Fiancé: Because We Aren’t Allowed to Front Hug

[Gobsmacked]

Just supposing here but.... Jilly and David are Now on the fringes of Duggarland. They loads of arrows, are weird and so far have no known scandals...... they might be worthy of a one off special now there is a Duggar free slot especially when Nurthling arrives. Anna Duggar’s brothers baby. That near enough for TLC. 

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

2 minutes ago, Gobsmacked said:

Just supposing here but.... Jilly and David are Now on the fringes of Duggarland. They loads of arrows, are weird and so far have no known scandals...... they might be worthy of a one off special now there is a Duggar free slot especially when Nurthling arrives. Anna Duggar’s brothers baby. That near enough for TLC. 

Oh, please, no! JillRod would get even more insufferable!

[Giraffe]

Hopefully Jill’s too high maintenance for TLC and they’ve already written her off. Hopefully. 

[quiversR4hunting]

On 7/1/2021 at 12:40 PM, postscript said:

Derrick may be an ass, but with the accountant and law degrees, he’s extremely employable. Neither career is an instant path to riches, and both involve long hours, but between the two, the Dillards should be able to live a comfortable lifestyle.

Austin and Joy also seem to be living independently of the TV income and keeping their lifestyle modest. Austin has marketable skills, even if the house flipping market goes south. They should come out okay (well, except for the toxic beliefs).

If only some of the other Duggar children and in-laws would consider similar paths. 

Edit: apparently I’m now a Degreed Law Professional! As an actual degreed law professional, I appreciate this rank! 

I agree that Derrick is employable. He wouldn't have to have partner long hours if he decides to work in government. With either degree he could work for the State of Arkansas as financial examiner: https://arcareers.arkansas.gov/job/Little-Rock-FINANCIAL-EXAMINER-SPECIALIST-AR-72202/730479600/ 

Or as an attorney: https://arcareers.arkansas.gov/job/Fort-Smith-ATTORNEY-AR-72901/748587500/ (there are several different types of attorney positions at the state of Arkansas I just picked what looked as an entry level attorney job) 

The best him and Jill can do is continue to focus on their own family and do what is best for them and limit contact with the greater family borg. 

[JenniferJuniper]

21 minutes ago, Giraffe said:

Hopefully Jill’s too high maintenance for TLC and they’ve already written her off. Hopefully. 

I can't even imagine how many videos JRod has sent to TLC pitching a show.   

Unfortunately for those of us who enjoy Rod snark, it will never happen.  

[Vivi_music]

14 hours ago, CyborgKin said:

I suppose this is now the Counting Off thread.

Next Thread Title PLEASE! ?

[HeartsAFundie]

15 hours ago, NancyDrewFan1989 said:

TLC needs to get their act together. So many of their shows end up embroiled in controversy because a cast member or crew member gets busted with abuse of some sort. 19KaC, Counting On, Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, Little People Big World, the list just keeps going on and on. How many more TLC shows featuring families will end up with child abuse controversies like this? 

Don't forget The Willis Family.  Toby Willis is definitely a top ranker in TLC's Hall Of Shame.  

[JermajestyDuggar]

9 minutes ago, HeartsAFundie said:

Don't forget The Willis Family.  Toby Willis is definitely a top ranker in TLC's Hall Of Shame.  

He seemed controlling when I watched the show. I think TLC likely saw red flags and ignored them. But that’s just my guess. 

[ifosterkittens]

On 6/30/2021 at 7:44 PM, postscript said:

In addition, the kids are, after all, adults who should be able to pay their own way. My own family values education highly, but after a certain point we were expected to fund our own higher education. And, to be honest, that’s fair. Jim Bob has already given several of the kids no-cost housing. He has no obligation to pay for higher education. 

I could, however, see Jim Bob loaning money to one of the kids at a low interest rate, to be used to buy houses, as seed money for a business, or for higher education. Interfamily loans are common in wealthy families. 

I agree it is not JB's responsibility to pay for higher education. I was just speculating JB might be willing to front the money for school and necessary start up equipment for a stake in the business so he could be as involved as he wanted in all the day-to-day operation/decisions for years to come. I can't imagine JB would simply loan a kid the money for school and start up costs, and create a payment plan once they started working with no additional oversight. 

JB may have some valuable input, but this would be beyond that input and insisting he be in the know on everything. I can see him wanting to know every detail, having input on every decision. More speculation but I can see JB getting upset some decision was made without his input, and make it clear his money funded this whole operation and he is in control. I can also see JB saying I told my friend Mr. X you would help him with this emergency situation (plumbing, HVAC, electrical etc) for free (or material costs), and the son feeling obligated to help Mr. X for free. Granted JB would probably only do that favor for Mr. X if he felt it would benefit him in some way. I can also imagine JB calling his son and saying I need (insert task here) done today at my rental property, and not care if the son already had a paying job lined up for that day. 

Why oh why do I spend so much time thinking about hypothetical Duggar business ventures? 

[Jana814]

18 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

He seemed controlling when I watched the show. 

I agree. I only saw their show a few times. But each time I did Toby defiantly seemed controlling. 

[Gobsmacked]

1 hour ago, Jana814 said:

I agree. I only saw their show a few times. But each time I did Toby defiantly seemed controlling. 

Saw the show once. Toby was trying to persuade a reluctant older daughter to take a lead in the singing. She obviously felt uncomfortable about it. He got quite bad tempered. That was on camera. Would be way worse with no TV folk around we now know sadly. 

[Not that josh's mom]

I worked in a office where 4 brothers were the bosses. One's response to everything seemed to be "because I sign your check". Makes me think that would be Jim Bob's response to anything the kids did. 

[AussieKrissy]

On 7/1/2021 at 6:22 AM, WiseGirl said:

Even more interesting to me is these are all the son-in-laws. Zach quit police work to go into the tree business. Nathan is supposedly a missionary in the Phillipines.  Lawson...what the f*ck does he do other than travel? No idea what Trace or the other of age guys do. They are a financial mystery like the Duggars. I assume these guys get filmed for their show too which doesn't explain the Duggars to me.

So I guess the son-in-laws get jobs and the Bates boys do ...something?

Erin, Whitney, and Carlin Bates have their boutique, Carlin and Evan are making money from their YouTube, and Josie has her beauty business. So I guess the Bates or at least the Bates women have more of a work ethic than the Duggars?

Update thanks @clueliss there is a Paine Construction and some Bates boys work there. I wish they would get licensed like their brother-in-law...

 

Is chad licensed? Did he do a course and get qualified? Or is he just running a business on his handyman skills rather than his trade skills? I don’t remember any discussions on his licence. It’s good that Evan and Melton will hold a license. 

[NancyDrewFan1989]

On 7/1/2021 at 1:16 PM, Jillybits said:

I suspect, due to Jeremy's very well crafted statement about the cancellation, that Jeremy and Jinger already have a deal for a new series to take over after Counting On. 

Either that or they are hoping that TLC or another company will sign them for a deal. I can see Jeremy trying to have a Joel Osteen career with his own mega church and show. If TLC doesn't pick them up, then I can easily see them shopping for a reality TV show where Jeremy is a televangelist and Jinger is a doting influencer housewife in the near future. 

9 hours ago, HeartsAFundie said:

Don't forget The Willis Family.  Toby Willis is definitely a top ranker in TLC's Hall Of Shame.  

Yup, him too. Completely forgot about The Willis Family.

Edited July 3, 2021 by NancyDrewFan1989
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[Jackie3]

11 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

He seemed controlling when I watched the show. I think TLC likely saw red flags and ignored them. But that’s just my guess. 

The mother is a piece of work. She knew her girls were being r*ped and did nothing. Her oldest daughter informed her when she was 9

[RosyDaisy]

On 6/30/2021 at 10:00 AM, DalmatianCat said:

The Duggars are pretty typical of small-town southerners where a lot of the kids just go into the family business right after high school. The kid who goes to college and possibly leaves town is the odd one.

No they aren't. Their show is/was their family business.  That's not typical of any small town southerners.  They aren't typical anything.

[GreenBeans]

13 hours ago, quiversR4hunting said:

I agree that Derrick is employable. He wouldn't have to have partner long hours if he decides to work in government. With either degree he could work for the State of Arkansas as financial examiner: https://arcareers.arkansas.gov/job/Little-Rock-FINANCIAL-EXAMINER-SPECIALIST-AR-72202/730479600/ 

Or as an attorney: https://arcareers.arkansas.gov/job/Fort-Smith-ATTORNEY-AR-72901/748587500/ (there are several different types of attorney positions at the state of Arkansas I just picked what looked as an entry level attorney job) 

The best him and Jill can do is continue to focus on their own family and do what is best for them and limit contact with the greater family borg. 

Especially if they leave it at two kids (or maybe have a third in a couple of years), they should be able to live very comfortably. As I understand, Arkansas is a low cost of living area, and with degrees in accounting AND law (both from accredited universities), as well as some work experience as an accountant, Derick has a really good education, not just by Duggar standards, but by secular standards, too.

[Tatar-tot]

On 7/1/2021 at 12:37 AM, Letgo said:

I think they have certain skills but they aren't likely to attend any type of trade school, college classes, or apprenticeship. They are taught to be self-sufficient IF they can learn from another like-minded man, online, or at home.  They aren't likely to do it if learning a skill or trade involves going outside and being exposed to people who don't have the same beliefs. Remember Erin making a comment years ago about sitting next to someone at college with blue hair? They aren't comfortable with "different" and to them different pretty much equates to bad or wrong. I'm surprised some of the boys were allowed to become pilots but I think it was a huge benefit to Jim Bob. They boys don't need to become actual electricians, mechanics, or plumbers to work on their own properties. They did need to get a real pilot's license in order to fly so that was okay. It is also more individualized so less exposure to those who don't have the same beliefs.

I remember there was someone who was homosexual on the crew.  Michele caught wind of it & had him removed.  This Duggar family is messed up on so many levels.  

[Xanariel]

Yeah, I'm not sure if any of the Duggar men aside from John really hold accredited qualifications in anything, but it's possible that they at least have enough lay knowledge that they'd have an easier time getting a formal qualification if they worked at it. Even without that, I think what they have may be enough to get by in their world without direct assistance from JB (I'm not sure if Austin has anything, but I recall him screwing up someone's system and the yard being flooded with sewage - whether that was due to lack of knowledge or him cutting corners is anyone's guess, but he was obviously getting hired). Derick and Jeremy have the benefit of an actual degree - obviously of slightly more direct help in Derick's case, but they both at least have transferable skills and the ability to knuckle down to achieve something. 

Exactly what money the kids get is something I'm really curious about. I used to assume that JB was funding everything - weddings, houses, health expenses - but we all know about Sam and Derick apparently mentioned in one of his rants that he and Jill paid rent for use of the McMansion. Jill was his golden daughter then, so I can't imagine her family was getting singled out from the others. So has JB been charging Jessa and the other kids rent? Josh obviously isn't forking out for his lawyers, but what help are the other families getting and how? Is it that JB may occasionally help out with something (like Jessa getting gifted a house in exchange for a nominal sum to Mary) but the rest is them scrabbling while he gets rich off their filming?

Edited July 3, 2021 by Xanariel

[Idlewild]

Jessa must have been subsidised? I know she lives in a tiny house but until recently Ben was a student, even now he is an assistant pastor so hardly big money. Yet they have 3 soon to be 4 children and seem to buy stuff, go on trips and run a vehicle. 
Similarly Anna’s kids are always dressed very well, they are seen shopping and on days out and trips to see her family in Florida. It is fairly clear Josh wasn’t selling many cars to sustain a wife and 6 children.

ive no idea what Joe and Josiah are supposed to do for a living, but wasn’t Lauren’s family reasonably well off? 
Jason was running a construction company so presumably some of the other brothers help out, Jed was selling used cars but that wouldn’t have bankrolled his political campaign? 
I think they’ve all had payouts from JB but nothing fixed or regular- they probably have to ask. It is a totally abusive relationship and I only hope this makes more of them wake up to that.
 

[WiseGirl]

Boob and Meech have a statement. 

https://people.com/tv/jim-bob-michelle-duggar-speak-out-after-tlc-cancels-counting-on/