Where in the World is Doug Phillips (Who is a Tool)? Part 11

[Howl]

Are Nicole's future pregnancies now at greater risk?  She's not announced a new pregnancy, so maybe they really aren't having sex, or between the two of them they nurtured a single brain cell and are using some form of birth control.  

 

[Howl]

Thanks for the details, @Bethella.  Let's hope Nicole doesn't get pregnant again. 

[starfish]

On 3/20/2020 at 10:39 AM, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

..... bear as many children as possible until their bodies give out  as their bodies could handle.  Fixed that

Fundies have always had this nostalgic affection/ longing for the selfless mother dying in childbirth concept. So very Victorian of them. Hence the emphasis on having child after child after child... with no thought about risks to mother's physical and mental health.

Let's all remember Kelly Bradrick who nearly died having children. Lisa Metzger who has 13 children (some adopted), numerous(!!!) miscarriages, is pregnant again, and on complete bed rest.

Teri Maxwell who had more children than she could mentally cope with.

There are so many more examples of fundie women endangering their lives to birth soldiers for the patriarchy.

I rather think some of the patriarchal  men think the women are replaceable and yearn for the days when the wife would die in childbirth and they could just marry a younger women shortly thereafter. They are so obsessed with sex, and getting themselves new and different wives is the only way to change it up.

President John Tyler, the 10th President, has two living grandsons...because he kept marrying and reproducing after his poor wives died, as did his own sons.

I also have this sneaking suspicion that some of the forced birth/"pro life" protest by the men comes from a desire to deny women obstetric care so that women can die in childbirth like they used to and the men can get their hands on a younger woman.  Just my opinion. I'm also rather tired so I may not have phrased this well.  I'm still dazed and confused by all the Covid-19 stuff. 

[AnnaSofia]

3 hours ago, starfish said:

I rather think some of the patriarchal  men think the women are replaceable and yearn for the days when the wife would die in childbirth and they could just marry a younger women shortly thereafter. They are so obsessed with sex, and getting themselves new and different wives is the only way to change it up.

President John Tyler, the 10th President, has two living grandsons...because he kept marrying and reproducing after his poor wives died, as did his own sons.

I also have this sneaking suspicion that some of the forced birth/"pro life" protest by the men comes from a desire to deny women obstetric care so that women can die in childbirth like they used to and the men can get their hands on a younger woman.  Just my opinion. I'm also rather tired so I may not have phrased this well.  I'm still dazed and confused by all the Covid-19 stuff. 

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if that were the case. Not with *every* man in the patriarchy, of course, but I'm sure the thought has crossed a whole 'lotta minds, at the very least.

Hell, in Dougie's case he even tried to assure Lourdes that they would be able to marry, because Beall was going to die soon. I'm not sure Doug is necessarily capable of murder, but at best, I think he fantasized about the "out" a health problem of Beall's might have given him. All the benefits of a new, younger wife, none of the divorce stigma!

Edited March 23, 2020 by AnnaSofia

[Howl]

I watch a LOT of murder porn (shows about real life crime), mostly Dateline and 48 Hours.  There are a surprising number of cases where a wife was murdered because divorce was so totally unacceptable in the congregation of the people involved.  

 

[Hane]

1 hour ago, Howl said:

I watch a LOT of murder porn (shows about real life crime), mostly Dateline and 48 Hours.  There are a surprising number of cases where a wife was murdered because divorce was so totally unacceptable in the congregation of the people involved.  

 

My late priest, an expert at Roman Catholic ecclesiastical law, once told me that, in the old days when divorce was illegal in many places, it wasn’t uncommon for the Church to conduct an investigation before allowing a widowed person to remarry, to rule out any suspicion of foul play.  

[Maxwell]

6 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

Hell, in Dougie's case he even tried to assure Lourdes that they would be able to marry, because Beall was going to die soon. I'm not sure Doug is necessarily capable of murder, but at best, I think he fantasized about the "out" a health problem of Beall's might have given him. All the benefits of a new, younger wife, none of the divorce stigma!

I'd bet it was more of a, "Say whatever I need to say to convince her that doin' it with me is somehow OK."  Whatever objections Lourdes may have raise, DPIART had an soothing answer -- this was conceived as the best possible response to get her to continue: "I love you", <wahwahwah, wah wah wah>,  "but... we'll be married someday!", <wahwahwah, wah wah wah>, "...I won't have to divorce her... she'll die early, it's hereditary.", <wahwahwah, wah wah wah>, "... well yeah, she's adopted but I... I ... I have access to her biological family history and *she doesn't know this* but all her bio-relatives had health problems died before they reached 55.  Now, let's get busy!!"

It happens all the time.  We, as humans, believe what we want to believe and can be easily manipulated -- that's how DPIART rolls.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Maxwell
clarity

[hoipolloi]

2 hours ago, Maxwell said:

We, as humans, believe what we want to believe and can be easily manipulated -- that's how DPIART rolls.

And that's precisely how DPIART's career as a Christian religious figure rolled.

And who knows? He may be able to reboot it at some point. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Laura2730]

Probably a bit out there- but does anybody have any old links on Kelly Leininger and Richard Welch?

[CyborgKin]

Good to see she's not wearing contrasting buttons which might draw attention away from her face!

[dripcurl]

On 3/23/2020 at 10:49 AM, hoipolloi said:

And that's precisely how DPIART's career as a Christian religious figure rolled.

And who knows? He may be able to reboot it at some point. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I am currently trying to put myself in Doug’s ego’s shoes, and I don’t how much longer it can take. I really wish we knew what he was doing in hiding. I wonder if he is somehow working in politics, and is going to try and do something with that in a few years.

 

 

ETA: Wow after only a few minutes of Instagram spelunking on Beall’s page I found a fundie couple in which the dad is a politician in the feifdom of the Holy Lord Boob that is Northwestern Arkansas.

Edited April 6, 2020 by dripcurl

[Howl]

12 hours ago, dripcurl said:

I am currently trying to put myself in Doug’s ego’s shoes, and I don’t how much longer it can take. I really wish we knew what he was doing in hiding.

Me too! It's almost as much of a mystery as the Arndts.  I still want to know WHY the whole family moved to Durango back when!  

At this point, I have to wonder if Doug is a full time ex-pat living on a beach in Panama, or down by a river in his van. 

Or he's a kept man, and not by Beall. 

Or he's living with an itinerant theater troupe, currently doing skits on a corner in Constantinople. 

Alternately, he's around, but the fam uses private social media accounts to tightly control exposure. 

Either way, there's the eternal question: WTAF?

I wonder if Beall is still doing elder care or if that's been curtailed by coronavirus restrictions. 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Howl

[dripcurl]

6 hours ago, Howl said:

I wonder if Beall is still doing elder care or if that's been curtailed by coronavirus restrictions. 

It shouldn’t, that’s my only job right now and my agency is desperate for caregivers to work more hours and with more people. Because I lost my other job due to the pandemic, I picked up extra hours with my current caregiving client. However I am just staying with her and working her max allotted hours. Even though I could use the extra money, I am hesitant to introduce myself into someone else’s life and vice versa. It’s a healthcare job that’s easy to move in and out of, so I am sure she is needed, she may just not want to risk it though.

[VVV]

I just checked the Bexar County court records again and it has now been a year and a month since the last bit of action on the DPIATAAD (....and a deadbeat) debtor's lawsuit. I am so disappointed in American Express.

[Howl]

9 hours ago, VVV said:

I just checked the Bexar County court records again and it has now been a year and a month since the last bit of action on the DPIATAAD (....and a deadbeat) debtor's lawsuit. I am so disappointed in American Express.

Interesting.  I hope these are somehow Doug's debts only and that Beall is insulated from legal repercussions. 

I do have to wonder if Beall receives some outside financial support. A year or more ago, she had dipped her toes into MLM and posted a  selfie while drinking some type of tea/drink (not Plexus) on her little balcony.   The setting was a  nice, faux-Spanish style new-ish looking apartment complex.  Also wonder if what's left of her nuclear family attends a church.  I hope so. 

Also, for those who might want to know, Bexar County is pronounced bear, like the animal , or "I can't bear that arrogant Doug Phillips," rather than Bex-R. 

Here's some history for ya:  HISTORY OF BEXAR COUNTY

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Bexar County was created on December 20, 1836, and encompassed almost the entire western portion of the Republic of Texas. This included the disputed areas of western New Mexico northward to Wyoming. After statehood, 128 counties were carved out of its area.

The county was named for San Antonio de Béxar, one of the 23 Mexican municipalities (administrative divisions) of Texas at the time of its independence. San Antonio de Béxar—originally Villa de San Fernando de Béxar—was the first civil government established by the Spanish in the province of Texas. Specifically, the municipality was created in 1731 when 55 Canary Islanders settled near the system of missions that had been established around the source of the San Antonio River. The new settlement was named after the Presidio San Antonio de Béjar, the Spanish military outpost that protected the missions. The presidio, located at the San Pedro Springs, was founded in 1718 and named for Viceroy Balthasar Manuel de Zúñiga y Guzmán Sotomayor y Sarmiento, second son of the Duke of Béjar (a town in Spain). The modern city of San Antonio in the U.S. state of Texas also derived its name from San Antonio de Béjar.

There is a paved hike and bike trail that goes by several of the old missions along the San Antonio River. 

Edited April 7, 2020 by Howl

[VVV]

15 hours ago, Howl said:

Interesting.  I hope these are somehow Doug's debts only and that Beall is insulated from legal repercussions. 

I do have to wonder if Beall receives some outside financial support. A year or more ago, she had dipped her toes into MLM and posted a  selfie while drinking some type of tea/drink (not Plexus) on her little balcony.   The setting was a  nice, faux-Spanish style new-ish looking apartment complex.

I don't know exactly which apartment complex it is but it's located in the Stone Oak area of San Antonio, one of the newer, wealthier, and whiter parts of town, so I doubt that that apartment is cheap.

Stone Oak is in one of the more desirable local school districts, and zoned for a highly-rated high school and middle school (not sure which of the two middle schools it is but they're both good) so there is absolutely no excuse for her minor children not getting an education.

Editing to add that Beall's name does not appear on the lawsuit nor does it turn up in any searches on the court records website (and yes, I am searching under her correct first name, which is not Beall).

Edited April 8, 2020 by VVV

[AnnaSofia]

I think this is the apartment complex: https://www.toscana-at-sonterra.com/

Faith has also posted a pic or two on the balcony.

I normally wouldn't post a location like that, but it's fairly public knowledge, since Operation Meatball is registered to an address there and it's listed on the OM webpage. It's come up here on FJ before as well.

The funny thing is, when it was registered, Beall, Liberty, et al, were living in (and posting pics of themselves in) Durango. I suspect Doug may have been living at the apartment while the rest were in Colorado. It would explain, among other things, all of Beall's weird vague-post kvetching about furnishing their Durango rental with thrift store finds because most of their furniture was back in Texas, even though they'd been in CO awhile by that point.

It's a nice looking complex, but I I'm guessing it's fairly cramped with so many people (at least 6, possibly 8, if Doug and Jubilee are there). Even the 2 minor children are basically adult-size at this point.

[Hane]

@AnnaSofia, thanks for that pic! It’s the kind of thing that ostensibly would have made DPIARBT’s pearl-clutching persona’s head explode back in his Vision Forum days.

[Howl]

6 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

I think this is the apartment complex: https://www.toscana-at-sonterra.com/

Thanks for that link!  The apt complex's web site indicates that there are 1,300 sq ft, 3-bedroom floorplans starting at $1,300/month -- cheap compared to where I live. 

7 hours ago, VVV said:

but it's located in the Stone Oak area of San Antonio, one of the newer, wealthier, and whiter parts of town, so I doubt that that apartment is cheap.

I just looked this up on googlemaps and it's on the north end of San Antonio, immediately north of Shavano Park, which is way upscale. 

Also, not super far from and south of Spring Branch, where they lived post-downfall and had the big garage sale just prior to moving to Durango. 

Can't remember where their Leininger supplied Big House was located; wasn't it in a leafy suburb on a golf course or green way?  I'm vaguely remembering a house address that Doug was using for a "business"  address at some point.  It's all becoming a little muddled at this point. 

 

[hoipolloi]

4 hours ago, Howl said:

Can't remember where their Leininger supplied Big House was located; wasn't it in a leafy suburb on a golf course or green way?  I'm vaguely remembering a house address that Doug was using for a "business"  address at some point.  It's all becoming a little muddled at this point. 

I have VFM IRS 990s for 2008 & 2011 in the cyber-stash and both of them list the non-profit's address as 4719 Blanco Rd, San Antonio, TX. Pretty sure that's the VFI warehouse and not the Leininger house, judging from the aerial view on Google Maps. 

No other property is identified by address or parcel on the 990s although both of them list a building + land valued at $807,611 & $321,878, respectively, among VFM's assets. Would this be the warehouse? Don't know anything about land values in TX so can't say if that would be a ballpark figure for a commercial warehouse in San Antonio.

[VVV]

15 hours ago, Howl said:

Thanks for that link!  The apt complex's web site indicates that there are 1,300 sq ft, 3-bedroom floorplans starting at $1,300/month -- cheap compared to where I live. 

I just looked this up on googlemaps and it's on the north end of San Antonio, immediately north of Shavano Park, which is way upscale. 

Also, not super far from and south of Spring Branch, where they lived post-downfall and had the big garage sale just prior to moving to Durango. 

Can't remember where their Leininger supplied Big House was located; wasn't it in a leafy suburb on a golf course or green way?  I'm vaguely remembering a house address that Doug was using for a "business"  address at some point.  It's all becoming a little muddled at this point. 

 

I don't know where the Big House was located, but Sonterra (where the apartment complex is) is a subdivision in Stone Oak, which is mostly pretty upscale but not in the same league as Shavano Park. Stone Oak is on the other side of 1604 from Shavano Park and covers a lot of territory, both geographically and economically. But $1300/month is not particularly cheap for an apartment in San Antonio, which is not to be compared with Austin when it comes to housing costs. Austin is insane. We were paying $600/month for our son's small bedroom in a house with a shared kitchen and bath, and I'm sure that room is going for quite a bit more now.

Also in Stone Oak: the repulsive John Hagee's Cornerstone Church. Different brand of crazy from Vision Forum but just as destructive IMO.

[CyborgKin]

Even calling it surrealism, that white glove over the shoulder isn't at all innocent

[AnnaSofia]

19 hours ago, Howl said:

Can't remember where their Leininger supplied Big House was located; wasn't it in a leafy suburb on a golf course or green way?  I'm vaguely remembering a house address that Doug was using for a "business"  address at some point.  It's all becoming a little muddled at this point. 

 

Pretty sure this is the infamous VF Leininger house: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/200-Canada-Verde-St-Hollywood-Park-TX-78232/26169762_zpid/

Edited April 9, 2020 by AnnaSofia

[The Mother Dust]

52 minutes ago, AnnaSofia said:

Pretty sure this is the infamous VF Leininger house: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/200-Canada-Verde-St-Hollywood-Park-TX-78232/26169762_zpid/

How many years did the Phillips family live there?

[hoipolloi]

10 minutes ago, The Mother Dust said:

How many years did the Phillips family live there?

From 2004 until sometime after the Fall of the Tool in 2013.

A special warranty gift deed conveying the property to VFM was executed between the Leiningers & VFM in April 2004: