DIVORCED! Mike Pearl's daughter, Shoshanna Pearl Easling, gets legally married

[JermajestyDuggar]

I have to point out that this baby’s grandmother and aunt were at the big plexus convention Jill was at last week. They must be high up and making money off of lots of poor fundies because they got to go to the gala. 

[hoipolloi]

30 minutes ago, KWLand said:

The hospital has little to no control of those rules, and that’s how it should be.

Exactly. It's sad that a small baby may lose a chance for a transplant because of his asshat parents but he would not be the first person to be denied a place on the transplant list due to the failure to meet the qualifications.

Conversely, I am old enough to remember the uproar over the late baseball star, Mickey Mantle, who got a liver transplant when it was well-known that he was a longtime alcoholic. He got the new liver but was then diagnosed with cancer a few months later which created additional controversy. Because of cases like this, the medical community has attempted to create clear guidelines and standards for organ transplants, who is eligible for them, and how available organs are allocated. They aren't perfect but it's better than a free for all.

[JermajestyDuggar]

As a person who has watched fundies for many years, I think I might be able to read between the lines of this post. If he was born and seemed perfect, she likely had very little prenatal care. It’s pretty likely she had a homebirth or birthed at a birthing center. Because they didn’t know he had a severe heart defect and a missing spleen until he was rushed to the hospital very sick at almost 2 weeks old. If his heart defect was that bad, it would have been picked up on an ultrasound at some point. That’s exactly why ultrasounds are recommended. So doctors can see if there are any irregularities and they will be much more prepared for the birth and the care needed after birth. It looks like they failed him medically even before he was born. Who knows how things would have turned out if they had caught this much earlier. And now they think they know more than the doctors that saved this child’s life. It’s disgusting. They are playing the victim on social media and getting people to completely barrage the hospital with hate calls and emails. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by JermajestyDuggar

[KWLand]

Fundies kids always have the “worse”.  How is August related to Shoshanna?  I know she said nephew, but didn’t think Hannah was her sister.  Is she James sister? 

the grandma Rachel Facebook says she’s a sapphire.  If I remember right, Shoshanna is part of Betsy Fosters upline (so also JRods).  

[JermajestyDuggar]

7 minutes ago, KWLand said:

Fundies kids always have the “worse”.  How is August related to Shoshanna?  I know she said nephew, but didn’t think Hannah was her sister.  Is she James sister? 

the grandma Rachel Facebook says she’s a sapphire.  If I remember right, Shoshanna is part of Betsy Fosters upline (so also JRods).  

I think Shoshanna copy and pasted a post from Hannah Stoll’s actual sister in law. I don’t think she’s related. But I could be wrong. Hannah’s mother’s last name is Bradford not Easling. 

[hoipolloi]

16 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I don’t think she’s related.

It doesn't seem that she is related to the Pearls.

According to a 2011 NGJ staff bio, she's originally from CA but married Clint Stoll who is one of a bunch of Stolls that live near the NGJ HQ in TN. 

ETA: Looks like they lived on Kauai for a time which is where "Pastor" Nathan & Zephyr Pearl are living. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by hoipolloi

[JermajestyDuggar]

I’m not ultra sound tech or expert. However, I’ve had two kids. With my oldest son, they were actually able to detect an excess of fluid in his kidney. Something as small as that can be detected. I’m pretty sure a severe heart defect would be detected on ultrasound too. I remember the ultrasound tech always spent plenty of time checking the heart. I hate the anti-medicine thinking of fundies. It’s so dangerous. And not pro-life.

Oh and I would guess Clint Stoll is ex Amish since Stoll is an Amish last name and the Pearls love preying on the ex Amish. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Just say you’re anti-vax. Don’t pretend you aren’t by calling it “customized.” That’s bullshit. I bet none of your kids are vaccinated. And second, don’t pretend you are surprised people threatened the hospital. This is in YOU. You kept sharing posts saying this doctor would let your baby die over something extremely politically charged in this country. You knew what would happen. You told people to call and email! You think they were going to blow rainbow kisses? Of course they made threats. I’m so disgusted by these people’s behavior. They should have always been focusing on August and not making some big crusade against vaccinations. 

[KWLand]

Glad they did what needed to be medically done to be out on the transplant list.  I do call bull that they didn’t think anyone would threaten the hospital or doctors.  What did they think would happen when given out all the contact information?

Cases like this irritate me.  The parents know the hospital can’t respond, the doctors can’t respond and the parents can say whatever they want true or not.  Just like CPS cases.  Anytime there is a one sided story, where the other side legally can’t respond, I find myself doubting the story.

[JermajestyDuggar]

6 minutes ago, KWLand said:

Glad they did what needed to be medically done to be out on the transplant list.  I do call bull that they didn’t think anyone would threaten the hospital or doctors.  What did they think would happen when given out all the contact information?

Cases like this irritate me.  The parents know the hospital can’t respond, the doctors can’t respond and the parents can say whatever they want true or not.  Just like CPS cases.  Anytime there is a one sided story, where the other side legally can’t respond, I find myself doubting the story.

I always doubt fundies no matter what. They live in their own reality.

[Cults-r-us]

4 minutes ago, KWLand said:

Glad they did what needed to be medically done to be out on the transplant list.  I do call bull that they didn’t think anyone would threaten the hospital or doctors.  What did they think would happen when given out all the contact information?

Cases like this irritate me.  The parents know the hospital can’t respond, the doctors can’t respond and the parents can say whatever they want true or not.  Just like CPS cases.  Anytime there is a one sided story, where the other side legally can’t respond, I find myself doubting the story.

Poor August who sits on a "medical precipice in a world not what the Creator envisioned when he created the family unit" and the poor Vanderbilt staff who have to try to help these people.

[JermajestyDuggar]

I swear the right wingers have no clue their party is filled with fucking nuts. They have no idea what they are capable of. They think Dems are the violent ones. It reminds me of this meme I saw about overturning Roe:

[JermajestyDuggar]

Paul Caldwell did the same type of bullshit recently. He posted a picture of his family crying after they were escorted out of a nursing home for not wearing masks or socially distancing. They called out the nursing home on social media and told everyone to call and email them. Who wants to bet there were plenty of threats made to that facility thanks to Paully boy? I bet he doesn’t give a single shit either. 

[KWLand]

1 hour ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Paul Caldwell did the same type of bullshit recently. He posted a picture of his family crying after they were escorted out of a nursing home for not wearing masks or socially distancing. They called out the nursing home on social media and told everyone to call and email them. Who wants to bet there were plenty of threats made to that facility thanks to Paully boy? I bet he doesn’t give a single shit either. 

But they did exactly what was asked of them, except social distancing, wearing masks correctly and not touching his mom.  How dare the nursing home kick them out and make their kids cry, when the Caldwells followed only the rules they wanted to follow.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

2 minutes ago, KWLand said:

But they did exactly what was asked of them, except social distancing, wearing masks correctly and not touching his mom.  How dare the nursing home kick them out and make their kids cry, when the Caldwells followed only the rules they wanted to follow.

Is that his mom or her mom? I thought it was her  (Christine Caldwell's) mother, but I could be wrong.

[KWLand]

2 minutes ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Is that his mom or her mom? I thought it was her  (Christine Caldwell's) mother, but I could be wrong.

You are probably right, I just assumed his.

[JermajestyDuggar]

8 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Is that his mom or her mom? I thought it was her  (Christine Caldwell's) mother, but I could be wrong.

I guess I assumed it was his mom too because someone in the comments called her Grandma Caldwell but they could be wrong too. 

[KWLand]

People are so brutal to the Stoll family and Vanderbilt.  Saying if baby August dies it’s the parents fault for vaccinating him and they should have transferred him.  Saying how awful the doctor and hospital is.  All on the update the Stoll family posted.

It shouldn’t still shock me how little respect there is for the medical community and how quickly they are viewed as the enemies when they disagree with lay people or other doctors.

[JermajestyDuggar]

40 minutes ago, KWLand said:

People are so brutal to the Stoll family and Vanderbilt.  Saying if baby August dies it’s the parents fault for vaccinating him and they should have transferred him.  Saying how awful the doctor and hospital is.  All on the update the Stoll family posted.

It shouldn’t still shock me how little respect there is for the medical community and how quickly they are viewed as the enemies when they disagree with lay people or other doctors.

I highly doubt the vaccines will kill him. Catching something the vaccine prevents definitely could! Like the flu. People never think about the flu killing people. But it could kill a poor baby like august. I never engage with anti-vaxers because they can’t be reasoned with. You may as well just argue with a brick wall. It might be less frustrating. 

[Howl]

21 hours ago, KWLand said:

 I hope the hospitals ethical team can get involved

I'm sure they were consulted from the start with these yahoos. 

I'm not clear, though.  Is the wee baby still at Vanderbilt?  Or just taken off the transplant list because of the parents' anti vax stance?

20 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

As a person who has watched fundies for many years, I think I might be able to read between the lines of this post. If he was born and seemed perfect, she likely had very little prenatal care. It’s pretty likely she had a homebirth or birthed at a birthing center. Because they didn’t know he had a severe heart defect and a missing spleen until he was rushed to the hospital very sick at almost 2 weeks old. If his heart defect was that bad, it would have been picked up on an ultrasound at some point.

Interesting point and so important.  Diversion: the states with the most draconian anti abortion laws have the highest rates of poor maternal outcome and I'm presuming, equally bad outcomes for the baby because of lack of access to prenatal care. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

14 minutes ago, Howl said:

I'm sure they were consulted from the start with these yahoos. 

I'm not clear, though.  Is the wee baby still at Vanderbilt?  Or just taken off the transplant list because of the parents' anti vax stance?

What I think happened. The hospital told them they basically started an online hate campaign against Dr Bearl and he got death threats. The Stolls have now taken out the doctor’s info from their previous vax blast. But some National sources have already picked it up so it’s like they are just closing the barn door after the horse got out. They started a hate campaign whether they want to admit it or not. They are getting the baby the vaccines and not the Covid vax because that was never required. It was all the basic vaccines babies usually get that he needed. Now he’s on the transplant list. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by JermajestyDuggar

[Bluebirdbluebell]

9 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I guess I assumed it was his mom too because someone in the comments called her Grandma Caldwell but they could be wrong too. 

I think people tend to assume family shares a name. 

Kendra's mother Christina shared a 4 generations photo with Christina's mother, Christina, Kendra and Addison. (Brooklyn wasn't born yet.) The woman in the chair looks like Christina's mother although it's been a while since that post.

[byzant]

Yeah also the donors  Family(please note i'm not suggesting they should pick or have any role in deciding just that they should know  all potential recipients are complaint with medical care and basic science) unsurprisingly are going to want to prioritise a recipent who give a a basic damn about their health. As someone who was involved in the decision to donate mums organs after she suddenly dropped dead(at 50 and perfectly healthy if there is a god fuck them for that) I would never have done so if they could go to random folk who wanted to  die of measles. 

18 hours ago, KWLand said:

But they did exactly what was asked of them, except social distancing, wearing masks correctly and not touching his mom.  How dare the nursing home kick them out and make their kids cry, when the Caldwells followed only the rules they wanted to follow.

Absolutely and its not  Like a nursing home would be filled with immuno compromised love ones of others who might not survive the religious right breathing all over them 

Edited June 28, 2022 by byzant
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[KWLand]

I don’t mind those who choose to not vaccinate, some of our good friends don’t.  I think everyone has the right to make health choices for their family, until it poses an immediate risk to a child.  As long as they respect my decisions and don’t accuse me of being a poor parent, I try to give the same respect back.  Until the decision is life or death.  
If (and a huge if) vaccinations were going to harm August, he is in the best place to receive them.  They can cause the body to run a fever and he’s at a place that can monitor and treat.

one of my kids was hospitalized at 2 months after a well child visit.  At the time we used our local health department for vaccinations, so he was not vaccinated at the visit.  He ended up hospitalized later that day for a sudden fever of 103.  The first question was what vaccinations did he receive.  It was asked several times because if he received one they had to report it and he’d qualify for medical exemption.  He didn’t, thankfully, because it would have been assumed it was a vaccine reaction.   So many tests ran and it was discovered he had a virus.  Forgot the name, common childhood virus that ends in a rash.  He was watched closely after his vaccinations because his body went into overdrive to fight almost all illnesses, but it had always made me wonder how many vaccine reactions were just illnesses that coincided with the vaccine.

9 minutes ago, byzant said:

Yeah also the donors  Family(please note i'm not suggesting they should pick or have any role in deciding just that they should know  all potential recieotants are complaint with medical care and basic science) unsurprisingly are going to want to prioritise a recipent who give a a basic damn about their health. As someone who was involved in the decision to donate mums organs after she suddenly dropped dead(at 50 and perfectly healthy if there is a god fuck them for that) I would never have done so if they could go to random folk who wanted to  die of measles. 

Exactly.  I think some organs that babies receive can be from adults (maybe), but I believe the heart has to be from the same size baby, so another family has to say goodbye to their child for August to receive the heart.  I’d be heartbroken if I found out my baby died and the hospital/transplant team made an exception for the recipient.  I’d want my babies organs to go to someone whose parents were following the doctors recommendations.

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I assumed it was Paul’s mom because he referred to her as mom.  But my dad called my maternal grandma, mom, so it was quite the assumption on my part.  

[byzant]

@KWLand@KWLand your totally Right the whole mmr thing was just because the age were kids get their Mmr  Also just happens to be when they start to exhibit the social  Skills or not that lead to autism diagnosis. 

Also get the toleration but  herd immunity relies on mass Vacination so the vanishingly small number of folk who can't be immunised (immuno Compromised by chemo or health conditions) can also be protected

But I'm in socialist Scotland where there is a clear understanding of the need for society to protect the vulnerable and of how we are all interdependant and rely on others - not the land of the free where I can't get my head around the fact you have to chose whether to get life saving treatment. The status on insurance cost is insane to me.

I work with the most vulnerable were no homeless Person on meth begging on the main street thinks twice before going to hospital and the doc for treatment of any ailment. The worst they face is a social worker offering them support after their broken leg is set or their tb is treated and if they say no if they have capacity they head on their way. And if its cancer they get all the operations and follow up plus house offer. It's not utopia but compared to how the US sounds I really can't imagine - like the worry about how to pay literally would never cross anyone minds including refuges and those with no recourse to public funds. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by byzant
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