Dillards 52: Making Life Look Complicated

[artdecades]

21 minutes ago, SportsgalAnnie said:

Honestly at this point who would hire Derrick, especially if they saw his social media rants.

Is Steven Anderson hiring?

[Firebird]

@Ivycoveredtower

The tell all's I've read have been from Warren Jeff's cult. The people that write them tend to be people that toed the line until something happened  that shattered their beliefs. 

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9 minutes ago, Firebird said:

@Ivycoveredtower

The tell all's I've read have been from Warren Jeff's cult. The people that write them tend to be people that toed the line until something happened  that shattered their beliefs. 

I think that describes Jill with having a baby in the NICU for 2 weeks and Godbobber who might’ve not been fair to her.

[Taylurker]

6 minutes ago, Firebird said:

@Ivycoveredtower

The tell all's I've read have been from Warren Jeff's cult. The people that write them tend to be people that toed the line until something happened  that shattered their beliefs. 

I can honestly see this being Jill. She's done everything that was ever asked of her, and it hasn't exactly paid off. Maybe that's why she got a nose ring and started to wear pants. It's not like conforming has blessed her any more than her other siblings, so it appears that she has at least somewhat re-examined some of her beliefs in light of everything.

[Georgiana]

18 minutes ago, artdecades said:

Is Steven Anderson hiring?

Oh no, they are not fans of ANY of the Duggars. Zsu blamed Michelle’s breast feeding for Josh’s behavior. Jill also wears pants and makeup and has a nose ring, and Zsu would find a way to blame her or make comments about her womanhood for the two c sections she’s had. 

But more importantly, they might really challenge PP and Zsu in the popularity department. And PP and Zsu are jealous gods who do NOT tolerate worship of ANYONE but themselves. 

[Firebird]

I could see Jill writing it, but I don't think it will be anytime soon. It takes a long time to process that kind of abuse or mental programming and come to terms enough with it to confront the toxic people in your life with a public tell all. 

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13 minutes ago, Firebird said:

I could see Jill writing it, but I don't think it will be anytime soon. It takes a long time to process that kind of abuse or mental programming and come to terms enough with it to confront the toxic people in your life with a public tell all. 

It depends. A Duggar rebel is a press wet dream. Derick majored in accounting and knows finance. He seems desperate for money and has a bruised ego. He could make a serious profit -like, get rich- over writing a book with Jill as author, exposing JB & Michelle and how they protected Josh, and her recovery as a victim. If you add in interviews, magazines, and a Megyn Kelly Today Show appearance, that is A LOT of money to be made. The problem is, that’s asking Jill to disown her entire family. 

[Alice in Fundieland]

Regarding JimBob’s response to questions about their medical insurance, I bought “A Love That Multiplies” from the dollar store (even at that price, I hesitated to spend any money on a Duggar product) and he touches briefly on the subject in that book.  

ETA: I’m sorry, I can’t figure out how to put the photo behind a spoiler, can anyone help me with that?

 

Spoiler

 

[Glasgowghirl]

Yes Jim Bob liked Julie Grace when they were expecting Jordyn and the winner of the vote was Jordan Mikaya but neither him or Michelle thought it sounded good so they chose Jordyn-Grace Mikaya. I prefer Julie Grace as a name, I have never really liked Jordan as a girls name, and Mikaya sounds made up. 

I think when it comes to finance Jim Bob is in control other things Michelle. I think she was the one who was sacked into the fundie lifestyle most. The guilt from losing Caleb and being told that birth control may cause you to get pregnant and miscarry seems to be when they started get deeper into religion and being introduced to ATI and Gothard made it worse. They waited four years before having Josh and had various jobs in the early years, Michelle should have reevaluated having so many kids after Laundry meltdown or after Josh molested five kids. 

[Taylurker]

As for Michelle being HBIC... Yes, I definitely agree. Jim Bob might be money-savvy, but Michelle is the one who wanted kid after kid and practically foamed at the mouth (and not in a good way) when her daughters hugged or held hands with their boyfriends.

Also, I kind of think that Jim Bob chose "outsiders" for son-in-laws because he didn't want his daughters to end up marrying a Stevehovah (crazy Steve Maxwell reference for those who don't know). I've always said that he was the one who really seemed to love and care about his kids, as opposed to his wife, who told 1 year old Jordyn to "Go see Jana" while she was standing around holding Josie, as Jordyn tugged on her skirt. (I stopped watching after that.) That said, I really wonder what Jim Bob thinks of Derick now.

Not excusing anything either parent did, of course. Just offering my 2 cents.

[Beermeet]

14 minutes ago, Georgiana said:

Oh no, they are not fans of ANY of the Duggars. Zsu blamed Michelle’s breast feeding for Josh’s behavior. Jill also wears pants and makeup and has a nose ring, and Zsu would find a way to blame her or make comments about her womanhood for the two c sections she’s had. 

But more importantly, they might really challenge PP and Zsu in the popularity department. And PP and Zsu are jealous gods who do NOT tolerate worship of ANYONE but themselves. 

Say what now?  What did Zsu say about BF?  Doesn't she BF?  That seems odd for Miss all natural.

[Ivycoveredtower]

4 minutes ago, Taylurker said:

Also, I kind of think that Jim Bob chose "outsiders" for son-in-laws because he didn't want his daughters to end up marrying a Stevehovah (crazy Steve Maxwell reference for those who don't know). I've always said that he was the one who really seemed to love and care about his kids, as opposed to his wife, who told 1 year old Jordyn to "Go see Jana" while she was standing around holding Josie, as Jordyn tugged on her skirt.

 

I was just watching that episode. I excuse her a bit in that moment because it was like only the second day that Josie had been off Oxygen for any amount of time and she had to put Josie back on it and put her down for her nap. poor Jana though always the go to mommy even when the child wasn't in her buddy group. 

[Glasgowghirl]

5 minutes ago, Taylurker said:

As for Michelle being HBIC... Yes, I definitely agree. Jim Bob might be money-hungry, but Michelle is the one who wanted kid after kid and practically foamed at the mouth (and not in a good way) when her daughters hugged or held hands with their boyfriends.

Also, I kind of think that Jim Bob chose "outsiders" for son-in-laws because he didn't want his daughters to end up marrying a Stevehovah (crazy Steve Maxwell reference for those who don't know). I've always said that he was the one who really seemed to love and care about his kids, as opposed to his wife, who told 1 year old Jordyn to "Go see Jana" while she was standing around holding Josie, as Jordyn tugged on her skirt. That said, I really wonder what Jim Bob thinks of Derick now.

Not excusing anything either parent did, of course. Just offering my 2 cents.

Jordyn was not even 1 when she was replaced as Michelle's favourite and for her to be told to go to Jana was horrible. When she got her head stuck in a railing it was Jessa, her buddy she sought comfort in and Jackson wanted Jana when he got lost at the airport. 

I get how hard it was for Michelle after Josie being born but she should have found some time for her younger kids even if it was just while Josie was napping. I do wonder if Josie would have been pushed aside in the same way had Jubilee survived or they had another baby afterwards.

[Georgiana]

2 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

Say what now?  What did Zsu say about BF?  Doesn't she BF?  That seems odd for Miss all natural.

It was a weird route to take. Zsu’s position was actually that because Michelle breast fed largely in private that the children were left too unsupervised, AND ALSO that because Michelle used a cover, that somehow Josh became over sexualized and that none of this would have happened if Michelle had breast fed openly in front of the kids.

Now, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a woman openly breast feeding, but come on. SURELY in her own house Michelle was entitled to feed her child in a way that was comfortable to her. And many infants won’t eat in a chaotic environment, so she may have needed to step into a quiet room. 

I agree with Zsu that constantly stepping away really left the kids insufficiently supervised frequently and shifted the burden onto children too young to bear it, but that’s a commentary on HAVING TOO MANY KIDS that also blows back on Zsu...not on Michelle herself. 

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

Re Jill's nose ring, I don't think it is a piercing but one of those kind that just clips on.  I've known a lot of fundies and nose piercing would be a BIG no no. Ears maybe but not noses.  Why I don' know.

[SassyPants]

1 hour ago, SportsgalAnnie said:

Honestly at this point who would hire Derrick, especially if they saw his social media rants.

I swear to Bob he has the maturation and social awareness of a 14 YO-

[artdecades]

50 minutes ago, Georgiana said:

Oh no, they are not fans of ANY of the Duggars. Zsu blamed Michelle’s breast feeding for Josh’s behavior. Jill also wears pants and makeup and has a nose ring, and Zsu would find a way to blame her or make comments about her womanhood for the two c sections she’s had. 

But more importantly, they might really challenge PP and Zsu in the popularity department. And PP and Zsu are jealous gods who do NOT tolerate worship of ANYONE but themselves. 

I don't think Derick is a fan of the Duggars either at this point.

[Beermeet]

21 minutes ago, Georgiana said:

 

I agree with Zsu that constantly stepping away really left the kids insufficiently supervised frequently and shifted the burden onto children too young to bear it, but that’s a commentary on HAVING TOO MANY KIDS that also blows back on Zsu...not on Michelle herself. 

It is a weird route.  The fault in that logic is that only Josh did this.  Not even the next oldest brother, who would be around longer in the same environment .  Josh is a sexual deviant, many girls who encountered him said they got the creeps.  We've seen it during his courtship.  The Duggars handled it wrong and it wasn't the BF.  But, go on with your bad self, Zsu.  *eyeroll*.   

[viii]

2 hours ago, Snarkasarus Rex said:

Derick won't write it because I honestly don't think he'll have a taker.  Even if he does have some 'juicy' info, he's not going to be easy to work with, nor is he a sympathetic character like Anna.  It will be one of the youngest Duggars who are left to find their own way in the world without the skills and knowledge most people equip their kids with, thanks to dear old mom and dad.

I don’t agree. There are far worse celebrities out there who have bio books. I’m sure if Dwreck was genuine in wanting to publish a juicy tell-all, he’d have multiple sources of interest. 

[onekidanddone]

51 minutes ago, Alice in Fundieland said:

Regarding JimBob’s response to questions about their medical insurance, I bought “A Love That Multiplies” from the dollar store (even at that price, I hesitated to spend any money on a Duggar product) and he touches briefly on the subject in that book.  

ETA: I’m sorry, I can’t figure out how to put the photo behind a spoiler, can anyone help me with that?

I did a quick search on Amazon and found the two hard cover editions selling for 738.83 and 859.82. What the actual fuck? 

 

[JordynDarby5]

I agree about Michelle. For all their sprouting about what women are allowed to do. Cooking, cleaning and taking care of the kids. Michelle never does any of that. She doesn't cook, she doesn't clean, she doesn't teach the kids, or take care of them. Who knows when was the last time she actually parented a child. But she gives tons and tons of interviews about all about it. I think Michelle wanted attention. Fame. She found the perfect partner in JB who wanted the same thing and also the thrill of marrying a cheerleader.  I think they looked for ways to find fame. But having tons of kids and joining Gothard is really the only one that stuck. She got the attention she craved by having baby after baby. Attention while she was pregnant and afterwards and soon newspapers and TLC came calling.  She got so much more money, a nice house, trips, and more attention then she could ever want. She loved it. 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

5 hours ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Hmmm this was several years ago now so I don't remember the network, unfortunately. I remember it was a woman interviewing them for a daytime talk show, but she wasn't a reporter I knew by name. But she asked outright how they pay for so many kid's health insurances and JB responded that he has great insurance from his time in office and it's free! And there was an awkward moment when the reporter was like, "wow, you really gamed the system" (I don't think she said it in so many words.)

However, like I said, this was several years ago and memory is a tricky thing so this could be a figment of my imagination. I would swear that's what I saw and heard, but if this has been debunked then maybe I'm mistaken? 

ETA: It is possible he was lying, or otherwise obfuscating too. But like, what a weird lie to tell. Anyway, sorry if I'm spreading a falsehood. 

Interesting. Do you think it might have been while he was in the legislature or he might have been talking about that time? I did a web search and the legislators do have really good health insurance (not free but cheap) so that probably came in handy for them for a while. 

[Ivycoveredtower]

21 minutes ago, viii said:

I don’t agree. There are far worse celebrities out there who have bio books. I’m sure if Dwreck was genuine in wanting to publish a juicy tell-all, he’d have multiple sources of interest. 

Farrah Abraham (Teen mom ) has book if she can find people to work with her anyone can. 

[jozina]

I think Derrick would need Jill on board as a co-author for a book to be decently successful. For a casual viewer or someone who hasn’t kept up with them he’d be more of an unknown and less interesting than lil JillyMuffin all grown up and bitter. Odious personality plus being a bit player? Snooze.

And the comment about Farrah Abraham’s made me remember she did a porn movie. My brain leaps ahead to an awful place. Thank Rufus that kind of Dwreck spin-off is unlikely! 

[NakedKnees]

5 hours ago, TatiFish9 said:

@NakedKnees  I really appreciate most of what you said in your post. I agree with much of it, especially about Jill possibly thinking for herself a little and the hint of accountability for the women who continue to uphold this type of patriarchal structure. Are they at least to be blamed as enablers if nothing more?

I have long suspected that our favorite fundie Stepford wife, Michelle Duggar has been the mastermind of this operation, working diligently from the passenger seat of the machine since the beginning.  Jim Bob usually gets most of the blame, but he is the muscles mostly due to his charisma and connections. 

I think there are numerous examples to support this claim about Michelle, but one importantly is seen in her daughters who almost all (except maybe Jinger) would be aggressive leader types if they lived in the progressive world. We know this because they have been called names that are typically used to suppress strong-will women,  Jana- bossy, Jill - competitive, Jessa - mean, Joy - rough. 

Jill may be a sneaky goody two-shoes, but she had a passion for nursing and found a way to get her a piece of paper beyond anything any of her siblings have done. If her primary goal wasn't to be wife and mother, she would have done so much more career wise.   Who did they learn this from? Jim Bob? Jana, who is in the same age group as them (excluding Joy)? No, these girls have seen an example of womanhood that looks just like that and they have patterned it within the confines of fundamentalist Christianity. 

Even in times when Jim Bob seems to want to stay away from it for a moment, she is right there to keep everyone on track and phony as hell. 

All I am saying is this picture has a panoramic view. 

These are really good points abut Michelle and Jill.

I just want to clarify that I in no way blame Anna for Josh's sex-related issues, nor Jill for Derrick's Tweet choices. I just suspect that even if they were to realize that their husbands are duds and they could do better, that doesn't mean that the bigotry they've been complacent and active in magically disappears.

Part of what I'm trying to say is: asshole, idiot men and husbands exist in all communities. I hate the Duggar brand for its bigotry and risky behavior, and I think Jill and Anna (and all adults involved) share some blame in that regard.

@singsingsing (Oops, wrong tag, sorry!) said it best recently on Josh and Anna's thread: some people are both victims and perpetrators, and that can be difficult for us to wrap our minds around (myself very much included).