Lori Alexander 40: Learning Nothing, Teaching Nothing

[Sarah92]

7 minutes ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

Pearl:

What a lovely way to see kids, they all represent some facet of evil!

I also don't get what is suppose to happen to these kids when the become adults and have been so sheltered. Is mom suppose to live with them forever?

Many of them (not all) become painfully awkward adults or they rebel maybe by giving up Christianity  or by becoming more moderate. But from what I've seen, they'll often spend their adult lives hiding things from their parents in fear of losing their love. They'll quite literally have their mother's voice stuck in their heads telling them all the things they're doing wrong. So in a way she will live with even as adults. Of course not all people will experience such depressing things but I've seen it played out this way. 

[Free Jana Duggar]

3 hours ago, EowynW said:

Amen Rachelle.  "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--". Ephesians 2:8

[EowynW]

11 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

Many of them (not all) become painfully awkward adults or they rebel maybe by giving up Christianity  or by becoming more moderate. But from what I've seen, they'll often spend their adult lives hiding things from their parents in fear of losing their love. They'll quite literally have their mother's voice stuck in their heads telling them all the things they're doing wrong. So in a way she will live with even as adults. Of course not all people will experience such depressing things but I've seen it played out this way. 

My sister told me the other day she can still hear my Mom's voice in her head, lol. It does fade but it's a slow process. 

[Imrlgoddess]

6 hours ago, 99bottlesofPlexus said:

Wow, I must be a slacker, because my husband and I fend for ourselves almost every night for supper. Last night I had leftover cheese ravioli with Alfredo sauce. I have no idea what he ate, because he’d already fed himself by the time I got home. Most likely something out of the freezer. At most, I cook twice a week, usually on weekends, and even then it’s just something like tacos or chicken nuggets.

This how we typically eat, even when I’m not 36 weeks pregnant and exhausted. I don’t really expect that to change once she’s here and old enough to eat with us, either. I realize there are freezer meals, crock pots, etc.  but...I guess I really don’t care about cooking.

You're not alone dear.  I don't cook but maybe 3 times a week total.  I work and go to school, my husband juggles two jobs.  We do a lot of "make a big meal tonight for leftovers" type cooking.  Last night I didn't get home till 8:00 pm so he'd made himself eggs, my daughter had her usual ramen bowl, and I ate toast and cereal when I got home.  Tonight won't be much different, if there is a cooked meal, it will be Honey doing it and it will most likely be some kind of pork with rice and gravy.  

[Sarah92]

Although I'm wondering do these women really get made fun of by others as they claim or do they just have people wondering what in the world are they doing? I can also imagine some of them are alienating themselves from others by pretending to be more holy. 

Although, with recent events in the news I have to admit I'm much more willing to look at homeschooling or doing a co-op. Of course, I never really looked down on homeschooling but didn't think it'd be something I'd do. But now my opinion on that is changing.

[Frog99]

Reader:

Rosa Francis- "I always look at mothers puzzled when they tell me they can't afford to stay home meanwhile they're living in an expensive neighborhood in a $200-$400k house.... and I just want to tell them so bad that maybe if you lived in a humble neighborhood and in much less expensive house then maybe you could stay at home. But people today would rather live in the perfect neighborhood where everyone looks like them, have 2 nice cars, and all this other stuff they don't need. I know mothers who stay at home. Most don't live in expensive areas, but some do but they are well off. Nothijng wrong with being well off, but if you're well off and still choose to stick your kid in school 8 hours so you don't have to teach them or care for them then that's even more of a problem. Everyone thinks it's so impossible to still live on once income, but how can it be when there's still many women doing it who aren't even rich? It just comes down to choices and priorities. I've even heard a lot of women though who say they just don't want to stay home with their kids all day. And with this new feminist movement, it's almost standard now that women think if they stay at home then they are not being progressive enough and are doing what's "holding women back " so they choose to go out and work. But now they have to hire cleaning services, don't have time to cook home cooked meals so they order take out or have food sent to them that they just have to heat up in the microwave like Blue Apron, have to hire a nanny/babysitter, but most importantly they miss out on some much needed time with their children. Especially when they are young babies and toddlers. It's really sad. I don't even know that feeling because my mom stayed at home all our lives. Looking back, I'm really glad she stayed home because I saw her cooking, cleaning, ironing, sweeping, mopping, grocery shopping, and just all the stuff mothers used to do back in the day themselves before technology took over. And today I find myself doing the same things I saw her do when I was a kid"

This is what we call looking at the experiences of others through your lens without stepping outside and making an effort to understand the perspectives of another. That's why her posts and the subsequent comments tend to be broad and inaccurate assumptions of what they believe to be true.

I swear Lori and her fangirls are jealous, judgmental snits who need her echo chamber to validate their own life choices. They don't seem to understand that the majority of us don't have a problem with their life choices- so why all the attention on what others choose to do? I don't understand how the choices made by other moms impact Rosa and the likes of Lori's readers.

I am a Christian (also a feminist) and I recognize that my walk looks different than the walk of others AND that not everyone believes as I do. That's ok. I can be friends with people who believe differently or don't believe at all.

[louisa05]

Pearl:

When you get 25 kids together, you have a complete representation of every kind of evil. And you’d better believe that kids love to share!”

What a lovely way to see kids, they all represent some facet of evil!
I also don't get what is suppose to happen to these kids when the become adults and have been so sheltered. Is mom suppose to live with them forever?


I have 18 first graders today. So far the only evil has been some chit chat during work time. And they were slow lining up at recess.

What exactly are these people imagining schools are like?

[jumpingjill]

27 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

Reader:

Rosa Francis- "I always look at mothers puzzled when they tell me they can't afford to stay home meanwhile they're living in an expensive neighborhood in a $200-$400k house.... and I just want to tell them so bad that maybe if you lived in a humble neighborhood and in much less expensive house then maybe you could stay at home. But people today would rather live in the perfect neighborhood where everyone looks like them, have 2 nice cars, and all this other stuff they don't need. I know mothers who stay at home. Most don't live in expensive areas, but some do but they are well off. Nothijng wrong with being well off, but if you're well off and still choose to stick your kid in school 8 hours so you don't have to teach them or care for them then that's even more of a problem. Everyone thinks it's so impossible to still live on once income, but how can it be when there's still many women doing it who aren't even rich? It just comes down to choices and priorities. I've even heard a lot of women though who say they just don't want to stay home with their kids all day. And with this new feminist movement, it's almost standard now that women think if they stay at home then they are not being progressive enough and are doing what's "holding women back " so they choose to go out and work. But now they have to hire cleaning services, don't have time to cook home cooked meals so they order take out or have food sent to them that they just have to heat up in the microwave like Blue Apron, have to hire a nanny/babysitter, but most importantly they miss out on some much needed time with their children. Especially when they are young babies and toddlers. It's really sad. I don't even know that feeling because my mom stayed at home all our lives. Looking back, I'm really glad she stayed home because I saw her cooking, cleaning, ironing, sweeping, mopping, grocery shopping, and just all the stuff mothers used to do back in the day themselves before technology took over. And today I find myself doing the same things I saw her do when I was a kid"

This is what we call looking at the experiences of others through your lens without stepping outside and making an effort to understand the perspectives of another. That's why her posts and the subsequent comments tend to be broad and inaccurate assumptions of what they believe to be true.

I swear Lori and her fangirls are jealous, judgmental snits who need her echo chamber to validate their own life choices. They don't seem to understand that the majority of us don't have a problem with their life choices- so why all the attention on what others choose to do? I don't understand how the choices made by other moms impact Rosa and the likes of Lori's readers.

I am a Christian (also a feminist) and I recognize that my walk looks different than the walk of others AND that not everyone believes as I do. That's ok. I can be friends with people who believe differently or don't believe at all.

Yet the fangirls follow someone who lives in a million dollar house and has the best of everything. But they are looking down at a neighbor whose house is “expensive.” Lord!!!

[Sarah92]

I'm kinda confused about the ones that are like "I did this, this, and this during my time at public schools" it's very similar to the way Lori treated her husband before she was submissive (and still does). It's not really anyone else's fault if you behaved a certain way. Sure parents bear a lot of responsibility and are supposed to teach their kids moral and how to be a good person but ultimately our actions are our own. If a person stole things, was a bully, and punched another kid, chances are it's not the school's fault. 

[AuntKrazy]

There seems to be a sort of ethos among Lori, et al, that avoiding mistakes is best for learning, when the opposite is often true.  Many people learn by trial and error.  I can't help but think that this is exactly why so many of the fundies followed on this site appear immature.  

I often wish someone would respond, and one of us catch it before it was gone, a "We choose to send our children to school because we do not want to get in the way of God's calling for our children.  We believe that keeping them home exclusively could confuse them by making them conform so much to our will that they no longer can separate and discern the difference between what mom and dad want and what God wants."

[dairyfreelife]

1 hour ago, louisa05 said:

What a lovely way to see kids, they all represent some facet of evil!
I also don't get what is suppose to happen to these kids when the become adults and have been so sheltered. Is mom suppose to live with them forever?


I have 18 first graders today. So far the only evil has been some chit chat during work time. And they were slow lining up at recess.

What exactly are these people imagining schools are like?

Well, if it's the Pearls, they think 6 month olds are evil and plotting to sin, so...yeah. Clearly, behind your back those 6 and 7yos are plotting evil sins to send everyone around them to hell. I need a coo koo emoji. 

[louisa05]

Well, if it's the Pearls, they think 6 month olds are evil and plotting to sin, so...yeah. Clearly, behind your back those 6 and 7yos are plotting evil sins to send everyone around them to hell. I need a coo koo emoji. 

Well, one did just throw a pretty impressive tantrum about not getting to make another kid move so she could have the spot she wanted on the carpet. But I hardly think that’s going to send any of us (including her) to hell. And considering the result was her being removed from the room and missing math games, I’m guessing the rest learned that tantrums are a bad idea at school.

But I suppose that’s not how any of this would have played out in these people’s heads.

[Frog99]

26 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

I'm kinda confused about the ones that are like "I did this, this, and this during my time at public schools" it's very similar to the way Lori treated her husband before she was submissive (and still does). It's not really anyone else's fault if you behaved a certain way. Sure parents bear a lot of responsibility and are supposed to teach their kids moral and how to be a good person but ultimately our actions are our own. If a person stole things, was a bully, and punched another kid, chances are it's not the school's fault. 

Agreed. My parents were what I would consider protective- we weren't allowed to date until we were 16, we didn't go to wild high school parties, etc. I did go on sleepovers with friends- but after my parents met and spent some time with the parents of the other child. I never bullied anyone, I never got into a fight with anyone, I wasn't a drinker or a partier, I didn't use drugs, I wasn't exposed to porn, etc. And not all of my friends were Christian/attended church.

And I know it's easy to talk about how bad students and schools are now- I have a 10 year old and an 8 year old. Thus far, the good has far outweighed any bad. My kids have made friends with students of other cultures, races, and backgrounds and can appreciate the differences between us. We have open communication at home and they both talk at length about their day, what they are thinking, and how they are feeling. My 10 year old has said many times that she is thankful that she can come to me and talk about anything. I hope that it continues, no matter what she wants to talk about.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Get a load of her latest quack doc...

Right, everything is sanitized these days with the magical norwex cloth, so no need to vaccinate. And hey guys---wealth causes cancer! Who knew. I guess Lori better watch out. 

Regarding this "doctor". Yes, I will use quotes like they do for "christians" and "Friends". 

This is interesting....

http://www.mothering.com/forum/17507-vaccinating-schedule/1602465-judge-rules-toni-bark-not-expert-immunology-adverse-vaccine-reactions.html

[Gemini]

The vaccine debate really grates me!  My granddaughter caught whooping cough from a bloody anti vaxer last year. She’s been vaccinated but has pretty bad asthma and was quite sick from it. 

I also have a friend with a premie baby who was on oxygen at the time. He stopped by with his son a few days before grandbean’s symptoms started. Fortunately we were out but it still haughts me that baby could have caught it!

Anti vaxer is still Sharing stupid anti posts on Facebook. I guess as her heathy daughter had no problems recovering from her mild dose, nobody else’s kid matters!

i love a good food drift, lots of new ideas for next weeks menu.     I’m currently dating properly for the first time since my partner passed away. Tonight he made me a none wilted salad with almonds, raisins, banana and homemade coleslaw. Then ran me a bath.

i think he might be a keeper 

[Loveday]

Ken Alexander on the latest public school diatribe:

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Thee is but one main reason for Christian marriage and that is to raise our children in the ways of the Lord so that they will never depart from them. If we can't get that right, we are missing out on far too much of God's calling on our lives. God does not entrust the world to us, but does entrust his precious children to us. May we be able to stand before him some day and have Him say, "Good and faithful servant. You have done well with the precious gifts I entrusted to you."

Because there are no other reasons for getting married. Explains a lot about those two, doesn't it? 

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Lol she makes you tube videos like Lori.

https://m.facebook.com/RtAVM/posts/1720925297977472

[delphinium65]

2 hours ago, AuntKrazy said:

There seems to be a sort of ethos among Lori, et al, that avoiding mistakes is best for learning, when the opposite is often true.  Many people learn by trial and error.  I can't help but think that this is exactly why so many of the fundies followed on this site appear immature.  

That's pretty much how it is among the fundies I know.  It's all based on fear.  Their god doesn't give any margin for error, you slip up and die before you repent, well, you're screwed eternally.  The parents are horribly fearful that their children may end up in hell, and honestly it's hard to blame them for wanting to take drastic measures.  If you truly believe that any mistake can seal your eternal destiny, and that you or your child could die at any moment...well, mistakes are something to be avoided at literally any cost, so you never reach the 'learn from your mistakes' stage. 

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

"Dr" Bark  is an idiot. No wonder Lori likes her.  Birds of a feather.

OK Ken -- 

if children are the one main reason for Christian marriage, what should an infertile Christian couple do?  Get a divorce so at least 1 of them could have children? 

If children are the one main reason for a Christian marriage, should Christian couples beyond child bearing age just live together? 

Ken -- do you say this cruel, insensitive, designed to hurt crap to your oldest daughter?   

[ViolaSebastian]

1 hour ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

Get a load of her latest quack doc...

Right, everything is sanitized these days with the magical norwex cloth, so no need to vaccinate. And hey guys---wealth causes cancer! Who knew. I guess Lori better watch out. 

Regarding this "doctor". Yes, I will use quotes like they do for "christians" and "Friends". 

This is interesting....

http://www.mothering.com/forum/17507-vaccinating-schedule/1602465-judge-rules-toni-bark-not-expert-immunology-adverse-vaccine-reactions.html

Gah. If there's one thing that medical sociology/public health/healthcare agrees on, it's that low socio-economic status makes you more vulnerable and more likely to have a whole plethora of adverse health outcomes. There's a famous quote from a surgeon general, "poverty is a carcinogen." Seriously. Lori. Rub two brain cells together. 

[Jenn43]

On 2/28/2018 at 1:49 PM, AlwaysDiscerning said:

@Koala I popped in to post the quotes you did.  The reason why women thinking working is better than being at home is they need the money. Its that simple, Lori. And in fact, probably a lot don't think its BETTER, its just what they HAVE to do to survive. And again just because Lori never wanted to work she just can't understand for the life of her why anyone else would want to. 

Yes! This!!! I would love to be a sahm, but we need money to survive.  My hubby's hours are cutting back and we need a roof over our heads and food on the table.  It's not always about women wanting to work to afford their luxurious lifestyles.  Geesh. 

[feministxtian]

Yeah, I'd quit working in a minute...BUT

1. We'd have to stay in this shitty neighborhood

2. I wouldn't be able to play with my paints as much

3. I'd go even more batshit staying home all day

So...I will work. I like my job! I'm like almost important at the shop...

[Demonfan]

Why would anyone think that forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, will make them good at it? I didn't stay home with my kids because I didn't want to. I have a career, I pay people to take care of things I can't because of work. I still love my kids. If I was forced to give up my career I would be unhappy and resentful. How does that make me a better mom? Their thinking is so fixed and nonsensical. If you want to be at home, great, if you don't, great. Who cares? Do whatever you need and want to do.

[quiversR4hunting]

5 hours ago, louisa05 said:

What a lovely way to see kids, they all represent some facet of evil!
I also don't get what is suppose to happen to these kids when the become adults and have been so sheltered. Is mom suppose to live with them forever?


I have 18 first graders today. So far the only evil has been some chit chat during work time. And they were slow lining up at recess.

What exactly are these people imagining schools are like?

My husband teaches high school in an inner city school.  In 13 years I can only remember him calling 1 child pure evil. And some of his kids are in gangs and some have done some bad things but in the 1000s of kids he has only called 1 kid "pure evil". (Now parents are a different story...he has called many parents "incubators" or "sperm donors" because the word "parent" is not accurate.)

I think my husband would consider Lori an "incubator" and a rich, entitled witch. 

7 hours ago, HoneyBunny said:

Wait...what?  It’s so hard to tell with Lazy Lori’s theft of others’ writings, but, in today’s post, is it Wicked Michael Pearl saying that all of his children are happily married and none will ever divorce?  Because isn’t one of the godly Pearl offspring st least separate, if not divorced?

As for throwing her dying mother under the bus...that, my friends, is Lori Alexander in a nutshell. 

Which post quotes Michael Pearl?

[usmcmom]

3 hours ago, Gemini said:

The vaccine debate really grates me!  My granddaughter caught whooping cough from a bloody anti vaxer last year. She’s been vaccinated but has pretty bad asthma and was quite sick from it. 

 

 

 

 

I'm so sorry that happened to your granddaughter! That asthma is nothing to mess with and can complicate even mild illnesses; but whooping cough? That had to be a nightmare. I hope she's made a full recovery. 

I got a call from our county health department once, to let me know my son had been named as a child who was in direct contact with a whooping cough patient. That is all they would tell me. I desperately wanted to know who the child was because I had to try to determine if my daughter had also been exposed. Was it a child that had been in our home?  A little boy from the baseball team?  They could not tell me anything. My doctor just put both kids on a round of antibiotics and they were fine. It really made me realize how seriously (thank goodness) health professionals take this illness. I only wish the anti-vaxers did the same. 

You know; my father-in-law has just completed cancer treatments and recovery from major surgery. He could not get the flu vaccine this year, per his doctors' orders. We were extremely careful about who could visit him during that time. I wonder if Lori is being so careful with her mother.  If her grandkids are not vaccinated, become ill and visit their great grandmother, who is weak from cancer - wow!  That could be so dangerous.