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[clarinetpower]

15 hours ago, anjulibai said:

Okay, I'm still not seeing it. Is it title something else besides "Statement of Persecution"? 

It was embedded in a blog post but I'm not seeing it now. Thankfully, it isn't scrubbed and is still in my history. Question is, has he found us and did he remove that post because of us? 

scribd.com/document/362788008/Statement-of-Persecution-at-the-Hands-of-Liberals-in-the-Church-State-and-Society

Add a https://www. before the link. 

I'm late for work, but I suggest someone screenshot it before it's gone. I would leave out his signature, though. I still can't believe he posted that on the internet. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by clarinetpower

[mango_fandango]

Omg. That shit is ridiculous. Children conceived via IVF are not real children apparently. What. The. Fuck... 

And if only Rick Santorum had been elected by Catholics in 2012 for the Republican nomination instead of Mitt Romney (and then been elected to office), all sorts of shit wouldn’t have happened, eg the rise of ISIS, the deposition of Pope Benedict XVI, and the Boston Marathon bombing among others. I swear, this guy is insane. This is delusional territory. Pope Benedict XVI resigned, he didn’t get overthrown FFS. 

[Cleopatra7]

2 minutes ago, mango_fandango said:

Omg. That shit is ridiculous. Children conceived via IVF are not real children apparently. What. The. Fuck... 

I know I'm overthinking this, but I don't understand why children conceived via IVF are "fake babies." The rationale behind the Catholic Church's condemnation of IVF is that life begins at conception, and IVF invariably entails the destruction and commodification of embryos. IVF is also regarded as "unnatural" because it divorces procreation from sex. However, I haven't read anything that suggests that children conceived via IVF are "defective" or should be shunned, as children born out of wedlock in the past were (and how would the average person on the street even know or care about the particulars of how a certain baby was conceived?). It wouldn't surprise me if Whittle does think that treating children who were conceived through IVF or through non-hetero married sex like non-persons is just what society needs to discourage "unnatural" or "immoral" means of procreation.

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

40 minutes ago, clarinetpower said:

I'm late for work, but I suggest someone screenshot it before it's gone. I would leave out his signature, though.

It took 8 screenshots to get it all. I covered the signature with a sticker.

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I haven't read it. Maybe I'll get a chance later.

[nausicaa]

"effectionately known as the "People's Republic of Taxachusetts." 

This dude could write for Parks and Rec. 

17 hours ago, AmazonGrace said:

I don't understand why crucifixes are covered up? 

NO Catholic Churches cover all of the crucifixes and crosses in their church with black fabric from Good Friday to Easter. Trad Catholic Churches do it from Passion Sunday to Easter. 

16 hours ago, acheronbeach said:

This.  Hating/marginalizing/objectifying whole groups of people is not a symptom of autism.  Autistic people often say and do awkward and uncomfortable things, but this is far beyond that.    

I often find that autistic people deeper on the spectrum have zero filter or ability to make things more palatable, so they often serve as the clearest reflection of the beliefs of the society they live in. I think the fact that he has seized on these misogynistic beliefs really shows the underlying thoughts of the church and groups he runs with.

I think a neurotypical Fundamentalist Catholic man likely has many of the same beliefs, but has enough social skills to know not to refer to women as "the female species" or call NO masses "cookie ceremonies."

So the whole thing is really depressing in that light. 

On 12/3/2017 at 10:52 PM, feministxtian said:

I have made my living as a mechanical draftsman/designer for most of the last 20 years...I even taught drafting/AutoCAD. Oh and I have the AAS degree too

But do you cover your hair in church and say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning?

But seriously, is that a viable career path for him today? Can people still get into mechanical draftsmanship with an AAS degree? It might be a good option for him. But like many fundies, I think his entitlement and sense of importance will inhibit him from ever really pursuing a career. 

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

Armchair shrink chiming in here:

His Statement is ... um... actually I don't have a word for it -- insane maybe?  Between the misspelled words, weird syntax, bad grammar, incorrect word choices, and all around nutty statements I didn't know whether to be amused or frightened.

I think with all his posts and this Statement of Persecution, frightened is winning out. I probably watch too much Criminal Minds, but I swear this guy would fit right into the show.

He is so angry and frustrated at (and by) everyone and everything he seems ready to go offn in a unpleasant, possibly violent, way.  His comment in the Catholic Wife video about "getting rid of" a former girlfriend sent chills up my spine.  I know he didn't mean it literally, but still.......

This guy is 27-28 years old, unemployed, living at home being supported by a family he hates, has unpaid student loans, believes he is persecuted for his religious beliefs, was "exiled" from college for his religious beliefs, says he can't find a job doing anything at all, and his perfect Trad Catholic Sweetheart named Jillian hasn't knocked on his door.   

All of this has been going on in his life since he started the blog in 2008.  According to him nothing has changed or gotten even a tiny bit better.  There doesn't seem to be even the smallest hint anything will change in his life. His posts reek of increasing anger and desperation

He is a time bomb waiting to explode.

[ViolaSebastian]

It’s interesting, his story explaining why he bombed that class differ. He has the persecution story about his Catholicism, but he also said he was docked a grade for “following the law.”

[nausicaa]

17 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

It’s interesting, his story explaining why he bombed that class differ. He has the persecution story about his Catholicism, but he also said he was docked a grade for “following the law.”

Canon Law?

[Palimpsest]

On 12/3/2017 at 9:28 PM, Cleopatra7 said:

This supposed statement of persecution indicates why Whittle is snark-worthy. Whether he is some mixture of non-NT and/or awkward doesn’t explain why he would conclude that the mainstream Catholic Church, the Democratic Party, and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts are all out to get him or why he feels entitled to a job he isn’t qualified for or a hot yet modest wife named Jillian. If you’re awkward and you know it, there are steps to rectify that. If you’re massively entitled with a persecution complex there’s not much that can be done, especially if you’re part of a community that will encourage these attitudes.

Yes.  I've been scrolling through the thread and his blog wondering which community converted, is encouraging, or is perhaps just putting up with this guy. 

My first suspicions were correct.  By a short process of elimination (not that hard because there aren't that many Trad enclaves around Worcester, he even gave the round trip mileage, and he posted their recent request for donations to buy more land) here we are:

The St Benedict Center in Still River, MA.  https://www.saintbenedict.com/  The place has a somewhat checkered history, Feeneyism, but is now in communion with the Vatican.  It is quite respectable these days.*    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Benedict_Abbey_(Massachusetts)

It runs plenty of programs and has a lovely retreat center where lay Catholics who are definitely Novos Ordo hang out.  If our budding not-an-architect wanted a job he could probably find one there as a gardener.  But perhaps they don't want to employ him.  It also has a school on the grounds, and that makes me quite squirmy given Whittle's stated decision to look for a younger sweetheart.  

* As they say, "Please note: Saint Benedict Center in Still River is not associated or affiliated with St. Benedict Center in Richmond, New Hampshire or catholicism.org"  True.  The Richmond, NH group split after Feeney's death.   If Whittle would move out MA he might fit in well with the Richmond group.  They are a designated hate group according to the SPLC and are really cult-like.

Or perhaps he could go and hang out with Pope Michael.  However, Pope Michael seems much too gentle a soul for Whittle.  https://popemichaelfilm.com/

In fairness to Whittle, his terrible architectural drawings are either little fantasy projects or school projects.  I think he flunked out of Wentworth because they were so bad, not because he wouldn't design something modern, or whatever his excuse was. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Palimpsest
afterthought

[FeministShrew]

I hadn't watched his video before today. I showed it to Mr. Shrew, who's a special ed teacher and Autism specialist. He said , yep, he's got lots of signs of being on the spectrum: the hand wringing, head turning, the distraction, the speech pattern. That doesn't excuse his beliefs, but it explains him a bit to me. He makes me sad.

[Palimpsest]

This guy makes me sad too.  He tried to start an apostolate this year.  And he has a paypal account.  He has taken in no money so far so I guess it failed.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca-x_v0qtBw

1 hour ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

This guy is 27-28 years old, unemployed, living at home being supported by a family he hates, has unpaid student loans, believes he is persecuted for his religious beliefs, was "exiled" from college for his religious beliefs, says he can't find a job doing anything at all, and his perfect Trad Catholic Sweetheart named Jillian hasn't knocked on his door.   

Not exactly.  He contradicts himself a lot but I'm getting the strong impression from what he lets slip that he is on disability, refuses to have anything to do with his Novus Ordo parents, sub-lets a room from someone or is in a group home, and has strong connections with a religious order and parish who should be keeping a close eye on him.  And that would be their religious duty, damn it!  

He definitely says he is persecuted for his religious beliefs, but that might be so much easier for him to believe than the basic reality that he is unemployable.  

He certainly spends all his time obsessing about politics (his opinions stink), religion (his beliefs are not much weirder than the St. Benedict Center's), and his inability to find a perfect Trad Catholic wife called Jillian (his attitudes to women suck.) In his more recent videos he seems increasingly depressed about everything.

That doesn't necessarily make him a ticking time bomb.  It does make him a very sad person with many toxic beliefs.

[Gobsmacked]

I think he is deaf. Watching the start of the video again I'm sure he has at least one hearing aid. That may explain whyhis voice sounds monotonous.

[Cleopatra7]

1 hour ago, Palimpsest said:

This guy makes me sad too.  He tried to start an apostolate this year.  And he has a paypal account.  He has taken in no money so far so I guess it failed.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca-x_v0qtBw

I can see why his would-be apostolate failed. Book printing, especially of high quality books like altar missals, isn’t something you can do in a smallrented apartment (he did say he wanted to print Latin-English altar missals, right?). You probably also need an episcopal imprimatur to print a missal, which would probably involve red tape that Whittle doesn’t want to deal with, especially since he’s convinced that his local bishop is against him. Most importantly, there’s no demand for a dual language altar missal. If you’re a priest who celebrates the Tridentine Latin Mass, you will already have the appropriate altar missal and you will have the experience to understand the rubrics without an English translation. I’m pretty sure there are workshops for NO priests who want to celebrate the TLM, and if they have any questions about the rubrics they can get the answers from another priest. The only people I could see being interested in a dual language missal are guys who haven’t been ordained in any shape or form but want to present themselves as traditional priests (and they do exist). 

[Palimpsest]

1 hour ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I can see why his would-be apostolate failed. Book printing, especially of high quality books like altar missals, isn’t something you can do in a smallrented apartment (he did say he wanted to print Latin-English altar missals, right?).

His would-be apostolate failed because no-one gave a cent to his paypal.  He just had an idea for an apostolate and grabbed a "facimilie" 1962 altar missal off his shelf to do a show-and-tell for his video.  

There is a true pathos about this guy - in the sense of evoking pity or compassion - although his beliefs are toxic.  This was not a realistic idea, even if there were a need for Latin-English missals.   It's like if I set up a paypal account to fund my rocket ship on its voyage to convert the population of Mars.  I haven't built my rocket ship yet or even started to design it.  It will take a lot of work.

As I said, I'm 99.999% sure that his parish is the Saint Benedict Center.  I expect they are kind to him.  They have their own press and that may have given him the idea for his missal:  https://www.saintbenedict.com/apostolates/mancipia-press

I know a couple of people who have been on retreat there.  It is a really beautiful place with fantastic views.  Lay people on retreat are not required to go to Mass, but if they do it is absolutely skirts and head-coverings for the women.  I've never been tempted to don a skirt and head-covering to go to a Mass there myself although I understand the monks' Gregorian chant is wonderful. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Palimpsest

[PennySycamore]

@Gobsmacked,  he may be hard of hearing, but I don't think he's profoundly deaf,  My Deaf cochlear implanted granddaughter's processors don't look like that.  They're very noticeable. They have things that go over her ears that help the buds stay in her ear canals and she has wires that connect all that to the magnetized things (receivers?) that are behind and above her ears.  The magnets stick on her skull where they connect magnetically to the implants.  If he has some type of hearing aid, it's more like a Miracle Ear.  My daughter and her husband could explain it much better than I attempted to.

[samurai_sarah]

1 hour ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I can see why his would-be apostolate failed. Book printing, especially of high quality books like altar missals, isn’t something you can do in a smallrented apartment (he did say he wanted to print Latin-English altar missals, right?). You probably also need an episcopal imprimatur to print a missal, which would probably involve red tape that Whittle doesn’t want to deal with, especially since he’s convinced that his local bishop is against him. Most importantly, there’s no demand for a dual language altar missal. If you’re a priest who celebrates the Tridentine Latin Mass, you will already have the appropriate altar missal and you will have the experience to understand the rubrics without an English translation. I’m pretty sure there are workshops for NO priests who want to celebrate the TLM, and if they have any questions about the rubrics they can get the answers from another priest. The only people I could see being interested in a dual language missal are guys who haven’t been ordained in any shape or form but want to present themselves as traditional priests (and they do exist). 

Plus: The Vatican is the only place that still uses Latin as an everyday language. They have all possible resources, the educated staff etc. If anyone needs a dual language missal, the RCC's got it covered already. And they aren't difficult to get a hold of!

[Gobsmacked]

2 hours ago, PennySycamore said:

@Gobsmacked,  he may be hard of hearing, but I don't think he's profoundly deaf,  My Deaf cochlear implanted granddaughter's processors don't look like that.  They're very noticeable. They have things that go over her ears that help the buds stay in her ear canals and she has wires that connect all that to the magnetized things (receivers?) that are behind and above her ears.  The magnets stick on her skull where they connect magnetically to the implants.  If he has some type of hearing aid, it's more like a Miracle Ear.  My daughter and her husband could explain it much better than I attempted to.

If his deafness wasn't addressed when he was very young (if it is a hearing aid that I'm sure I can see), then his voice could be monotonous because that's the way he learned to speak. 

Can anyone else see anything in his ears?

My friend is deaf. She learned to lip read and does very well. Her voice is ' one tone ' sometimes. Unless she is cross. 

[Palimpsest]

8 minutes ago, Gobsmacked said:

Can anyone else see anything in his ears?

No.  Sorry.  I don't think he is deaf, but I will defer to you if you saw hearing aids that I missed in the videos.  I think I watched them all. 

He has slow and monotonous speech but there may be other reasons for that.  If you are reacting to odd intonation - I can assure you he has a very typical Worcester, MA, accent.

It is quite amusing to me to see the number of speech therapists online who swear that Matt LeBlanc (Joey on Friends) has a terrible speech impediment.  No. Matt is from Newton, MA and couldn't quite get rid of all his MA accent.  People talk like that around here.

I'm going to tentatively agree with other armchair diagnoses from those who think that Whittle is somewhere on the spectrum.  If on the spectrum I don't think he got much help or informed support.  I'm also thinking that there may be something else going on with him.  

Again, I find him sad even though his beliefs are really toxic.

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Palimpsest

[mango_fandango]

Terrible speech impediment? Joey always sounded perfectly clear to me. Not a speech therapist though. I'm not from the US so I can barely tell accents apart. Interestingly I have noticed that Matthew Perry and Conan O'Brien have similar accents/similar-ish ways of speaking. Both are from Massachusetts (Conan from Boston and Matthew from Williamstown); even though Perry spent a lot of time in Canada he sounds fairly similar to Conan, even though Boston and Williamstown are at opposite sides of Massachusetts.  

[FaithAndReason]

This Statement Of Persecution has to be the most awesome thing I have ever read on Free Jinger. Thank you for making my day!

 

[Palimpsest]

21 minutes ago, mango_fandango said:

Terrible speech impediment? Joey always sounded perfectly clear to me. Not a speech therapist though. I'm not from the US so I can barely tell accents apart. Interestingly I have noticed that Matthew Perry and Conan O'Brien have similar accents/similar-ish ways of speaking. Both are from Massachusetts (Conan from Boston and Matthew from Williamstown); even though Perry spent a lot of time in Canada he sounds fairly similar to Conan, even though Boston and Williamstown are at opposite sides of Massachusetts.  

Eh, you are British - and so am I by birth.  I do have diagnosed rhotacism (I do have a malformed palate), but a fair portion of the UK fakes their "r"s.  And MA dialect deliberately drops them!  

I cannot roll my "r"s and that is terrible according to US speech therapists.   So does Wossy. AKA Jonathan Ross.

Is it dialect or a speech impediment due to a malformed palate - I really love this video.

 

4 minutes ago, FaithAndReason said:

This Statement Of Persecution has to be the most awesome thing I have ever read on Free Jinger. Thank you for making my day!

 

I have to say, it is not awesome. It is snarkable but tragic.

Yes, it is sort of funny in its absurdity, but it is really terribly sad.  As is a lot of the stuff we discuss.

Edited December 6, 2017 by Palimpsest

[FaithAndReason]

Whatever, you wanna cry about it, go ahead.

I think it's hilariously funny and ridiculous. 

[nausicaa]

While we're discussing speech impediments, does anyone else hear a pretty severe speech impediment when Miley Cyrus speaks?  I'm terrible at picking up on speech impediments, but hear it every time she talks, and I don't think it's her accent.

However no one else I know hears it and it makes me feel crazy. 

[Granwych]

On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 2:45 PM, hoipolloi said:

And he thinks that architectural licensing procedures in MA should be relaxed? 

I'm guessing this dude has years of experience with Legos, which would qualify him for those architectural licensing procedures.

[clarinetpower]

In this video, he talks about his family, including his parents and him, losing their home because they rent and the owner is selling. He begs a lot, he prays a lot. But he does say his parents are elderly and he lives with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo0fwbh9xoU