John Shrader 14: Preparing Toilet Paper for Zambia

[Granwych]

On ‎12‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 8:17 PM, Gobsmacked said:

Thankyou for posting the latest John poem Formergothordite. It can get lonely being blocked!

Lonely, yes, but at the price of excessive eye-rolling and guffaws, aye, Lassie!!

[Howl]

I'm beginning to suspect that Bro. John's "poetry" is another mania signpost. 

[Granwych]

On ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 5:21 PM, Carol said:

But I know that Esther's here to pick up the slack

When I'm on my back in the sack.

But I know that Esther's here to grab on my sack

Which, as usual, is slack,

But who's keeping track??

 

I like mine better, maybe more honest?

[chaotic life]

No clue what Shrader is claiming about bible translation but I would look to Wycliffe for actual statistics.

[subsaharanafrica]

5 hours ago, chaotic life said:

No clue what Shrader is claiming about bible translation but I would look to Wycliffe for actual statistics.

He links to a site that lists no sources but has an info graphic saying that in Africa there are “2,110 living languages. 703 have some portion of the scripture. 1,407 languages have not one single verse of the scripture in their tongue.”

Even taking those numbers at face value the point it’s trying to make is hogwash. 

[Palimpsest]

John is having another hissy fit.  But his life is wonderful.

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No matter what else, I have a sure salvation through the atoning sacrifice of the Precious Blood of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ...

an incredible marriage to my precious wife...

Long-suffering wife ...

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and eleven amazing children that intensely love God, their parents, each other, and lost souls.

Ten, unless he is including the one still in the womb.  Or perhaps John forgot to notify us that Esther has given birth.  All of whom may or may not intensely love God, John, each other, or even know what a lost soul is when they see one.

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It is so very truly wonderful.

I'm sure it is wonderful to live on the donations of others.

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Let the haters hate, accusers lie, the devil and his demons rage, compromisers decry, the world mock and ridicule, and friends forsake.

He's been reading here again.  I wonder which friends have forsaken him though.

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We have such a blessed home, and that is only because of the grace, goodness, and glory of God by His Spirit and through His Word.

Well that told us!  Yes, John, you have a very comfortable life there in Sub-Saharan Africa, much better than you had in the PNW.  But that is only because you have managed to con people into giving you vast amounts of money.

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And for that, I praise and thank Him, and with all that in me is, I bless His Holy Name.

js

Well, isn't that nice.  Remember to praise, thank, and bless all the people who give you money too, Johnny.  Your wonderful life depends on them.

[formergothardite]

57 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

John is having another hissy fit. 

So did the person with the amazing testimony that was going to make John look good fall through? That whole testimony story was a bit too weird. It sounded like John was trying to manipulate someone into speaking bad about some(or all) of his former followers

John could never come here and debate us(even though he is probably dying to come tell us we are going to hell) because we remember too much about him and see him for who he is. John knows that too. 

[chaotic life]

He links to a site that lists no sources but has an info graphic saying that in Africa there are “2,110 living languages. 703 have some portion of the scripture. 1,407 languages have not one single verse of the scripture in their tongue.”
Even taking those numbers at face value the point it’s trying to make is hogwash. 

Wycliffe says there are approximately 1600 languages worldwide with no translation efforts started. I sincerely doubt his statistics are accurate. And while I know Wycliffe is not the only group working to develop written languages and then translate the Bible, they communicate with other groups who do similar work and collaborate. So by their stats, he is full of it as usual.

[Palimpsest]

1 hour ago, formergothardite said:

So did the person with the amazing testimony that was going to make John look good fall through? That whole testimony story was a bit too weird. It sounded like John was trying to manipulate someone into speaking bad about some(or all) of his former followers

I think he is hoping that someone like Boyd or Roderick is going to confess their sins against the Almighty John.  I hope they run far away from him.

And John's penchant for exaggeration (11 children!) has got him into trouble again with leghumpers:

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Merry Christmas and what is the 11th's name congrats?

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 Is the new baby here. I didn't see the news.

Good questions and we didn't see the news either.  Probably because little Chisobe (Chee-so-bay), it means "we are lost" hasn't arrived yet, dearies. 

[Freejin]

I haven’t been on here in a while so forgive me if this has been addressed. 

 

Who are are all these people packed into the van? Why are they mostly children? I know they’re not coming for the preaching so what are they coming for?

[Palimpsest]

47 minutes ago, Freejin said:

Who are are all these people packed into the van? Why are they mostly children? I know they’re not coming for the preaching so what are they coming for?

How long have you been away? 

After the loss of all his converts, the death of the chicken enterprise, and the total failure of his "Bible Institute," John has changed tactics.  He is "reaching out to villages" and preying on an apparently very low income area in Kafue that he calls the "Zambian Compound."  He claims to have distributed tracts to every single house in the compound.

He's recently been claiming to be using the Troupie to bus people from the compound to his church services.  Once at Truthie Biblical Church, they are presumably trapped there until he drives them home.  After hours of preaching.

I expect they are mostly children because adults see through him.  I'd also put good money on the probability that they are going because he bribes them with food and  promises more free toilet paper if they sit through the preaching.

Either that, or he offered a crowd of kids a dollar apiece to cram themselves into the Troupie so he could take a photo for Facebook.  FWIW, I counted 17 children and 2 adults in those photos, not 35 as he claimed.

I'm really surprised he didn't take a photo of his church overflowing with more than 100 adults and youth. 

No, wait.  I'm not at all surprised he didn't take a photo of the church service because I seriously doubt he got that many people! 

[Freejin]

Yes but what adults let their kids go with this guy? 

 

He he must be providing meals right? Or something else?

[Palimpsest]

19 minutes ago, Freejin said:

Yes but what adults let their kids go with this guy? 

Overwhelmed and impoverished ones probably.  Church bus ministries are big among evangelicals in the US too.  Leading children from "slum" areas to Christ through free child care, games, songs, and food.  Lots of food.

The parents are "harder to reach."

[Granwych]

1 hour ago, Palimpsest said:

No, wait.  I'm not at all surprised he didn't take a photo of the church service because I seriously doubt he got that many people! 

He and the Cheeto-in-chief learned to count the same way, it seems!

[formergothardite]

3 hours ago, Palimpsest said:

He claims to have distributed tracts to every single house in the compound.

He never would answer the lady who asked how he kept track to make sure he reached every single house. If John had a way to show he had reached every house, he would have told the world. 

[formergothardite]

John had time to write another "poem" today. I didn't read any of it. 

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God Still Reigns Upon His Throne"

We like it when it's easy, the path is smooth and clear
When obstacles are simple, we're smiling from ear to ear
But when the clouds grow darker, and hope seems hard to find
It's then when times are hardest, it's important to keep in mind
That God still reigns in Heaven, He's not stepped from off His Throne
And the times that try men's souls, He'll not let us walk alone
For like Job of old we realize, God is there though yet unseen
For though Satan greatly tries us, God's still reigning as Supreme
So when you're tried and tempted, and trials tempt you sore
Don't forget you're not the first, many have trod that path before
And their testimonies shine forth, like a beacon in the night
That it's worth it not to falter, or despair amidst the fight
For the Glorious King of Heaven does not slumber, does not sleep
And like many gone before you, He your soul doth safely keep
So don't worry in your problems, He can work them all for good
Just don't question him or lose faith, but press on as you should
For remember many watch you, to see what you will do
And your testimony's speaking, if God can see you through
So take heart amidst the troubles, though the way be weary and long 
God already holds tomorrow, so in His Strength be strong
Just praise Him in the trials, as Paul and Silas long ago
And when the doors are opened, to God alone the praise will go!

I penned this today because of some attacks we are passing through here. I also have a missionary friend and a pastor friend passing through difficulties as well. Maybe it can encourage other's hearts as well.

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[Gobsmacked]

May be his Missionary friend passing through difficulties is Dwreck? 

He mentions that his ELEVEN children love each other blah blah AND lost souls. That's him mentioned twice - the  kids love him and his lost soul. If any one is lost and floundering it's our Johnny boy. 

[Palimpsest]

2 hours ago, formergothardite said:

John had time to write another "poem" today. I didn't read any of it. 

So let us get this straight:

Poor Esther is waddling around in the last stages of gestating the next Shraderling who is due any day.  We must all hope she has a good midwife.

John is sitting around with plenty of time to "pen" bad doggerel and perseverate about Satan's latest attacks.  And I predicted those for January, not today.

They have 10 children.  Ten.  And one on the way.  Daddy seems to forget about them.

The older girls are probably looking after and diapering the youngest ones, doing laundry, cleaning the house, stapling tracts, and cooking John's dinner.  The boys seem feral and neglected, running wild and killing rats, spiders and snakes.  They probably turn up for meals (cooked by the girls.)

Neither parent seems to give a shit about the children's education.  

Maybe this can "encourage other's hearts as well" to cut off this selfish man's funding and bring the children, and misguided Esther, home. 

[subsaharanafrica]

3 hours ago, Palimpsest said:

Neither parent seems to give a shit about the children's education.

Which is a shame because there is a missionary boarding school in Kenya that is meant to be really good (like continually ranked among the best schools on the continent). It’s free for the children of missionaries.

But it’s problematic for Mr. “If you don’t agree with my particular theology 100% you clearly haven’t been saved” Shrader and would also force him to give up his laborers. 

[EyesOpen]

I love how much he spoke about his unspoken prayer request. Lordy this guy

[Palimpsest]

11 hours ago, subsaharanafrica said:

Which is a shame because there is a missionary boarding school in Kenya that is meant to be really good (like continually ranked among the best schools on the continent). It’s free for the children of missionaries.

Do you mean Rift Valley Academy?  It uses a US curriculum and has always had a solid academic reputation, but was pretty spartan in the 1960s.   Shrader would never send his children there.  It teaches critical thinking from a biblical point of view!

The Shrader kids would probably be OK if they went to a local school for socialisation and the 3 Rs, supplemented by a decent home school curriculum.  John was "asking for advice" about curricula a while ago.  I assumed he was trying to grift A-Beka or something like that.  We never see any evidence of schooling though.  I'm sure they do interact with local children, but as they are told to see them as "lost souls" it won't do much for their social development.

As an aside, I always cringe at missionaries sending their children to boarding school.  In my day SIM used to require their missionaries to send their children to the mission boarding school in the capital city at the age of five!  Why bother to have children at all.  All the kids seemed to learn there was 1,000 Bible verses, and they were not allowed to interact with MKs from other missions much.  It was like an army barracks.  

At least that particular SIM missionary boarding school wasn't abusive, unlike some of the others.  https://childrenofsim.wordpress.com/tag/boarding-schools/

There are also the abuse scandals regarding New Tribe schools and other missions.  Bad stuff.

[Palimpsest]

And more from John.  No baby yet.

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Unspoken Prayer Request

I just received word from Russia today about an unaffiliated Russian Independent Baptist church congregation that is truly and fervently praying for us. Wow.

Wow.  How about you start praying for them, Johnny.

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We also have churches in Singapore, Nepal, China, South Korea, and five Hispanic churches in America praying for us, besides our other supporting churches in the US.

And are you praying for them too.  All this prayer seems so one-sided.

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We are so humbled to have such international prayer support, and we really need it right now.

Not noticeably humbled.  I'd call this boasting.   And when does John not really need prayer.  It is one crisis of bad planning to the next  Satanic attack after another with Shrader.  

And John gives us another Blind Item!

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One of the men who we've been so burdened for recently contacted me and finally became honest with me. He's said he's going to share a testimony soon, but I'll let him speak for himself.

He told me this morning that another former man (who is trying to cause great problems for us) wanted him to lie about/against me. When this first man refused, the other man got very very angry at him.

Perhaps Boyd and Roderick?  Or Jolis and Arcade?  I doubt it is Handia.  Handia!

John has pissed off so many of his former followers it is hard to tell.  And apparently trying to cause problems for John Shrader turns you into a "former man."

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We have an unspoken Prayer request regarding this matter. Please be in prayer for God to show Himself strong on our behalf, especially tomorrow, Dec. 21st.

I don't know what is unspoken about this prayer request.  It seems pretty spoken to me!

I'll send good thoughts for Esther and the latest baby tomorrow though.  May she deliver this one without complications.

[CTRLZero]

I wonder if there is a flurry of international prayer support because John has been contacting every church he can think of asking them to get him out of Zambia?  The international churches (including Daddy) are probably praying fervently that John and family stay put in sub-Saharan Africa.

His issues with the "former man" seem like a continuation of the soap opera that is John's life.

Best wishes to Esther for a safe delivery.

 

[subsaharanafrica]

4 hours ago, Palimpsest said:

Do you mean Rift Valley Academy?  It uses a US curriculum and has always had a solid academic reputation, but was pretty spartan in the 1960s.   Shrader would never send his children there.  It teaches critical thinking from a biblical point of view!

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As an aside, I always cringe at missionaries sending their children to boarding school.  In my day SIM used to require their missionaries to send their children to the mission boarding school in the capital city at the age of five!  Why bother to have children at all. 

I was talking about RVA. 

It’s weird because the concept of boarding school is foreign to me as an individual but it seems so culturally ingrained here that I don’t bat an eyelash when H’s collegues send their 6 year olds off to boarding school in Zambia or Kenya or RSA. They all grew up going to boarding schools so it seems totally normal that their kids would too. From the stories they tell it doesn’t sound like it was exactly cushy for them either.

The one thing I can’t wrap my head around is that the Kenyans tend to send their kids to boarding schools in the UK once they reach the British equivalent of high school. 

[Palimpsest]

1 hour ago, subsaharanafrica said:

It’s weird because the concept of boarding school is foreign to me as an individual but it seems so culturally ingrained here that I don’t bat an eyelash when H’s collegues send their 6 year olds off to boarding school in Zambia or Kenya or RSA.

It is definitely culturally ingrained and a left-over from colonial days when keeping expat children in Africa, India, or wherever was considered irresponsible, if not a death sentence for children.  Cholera, malaria, smallpox and so on ...

I had thought my generation started to break the mold.  The MKs I am still in touch with today did not send their kids to boarding school, although many of us still live overseas.  Third Culture Adults, if you will.  

There is also some class consciousness involved - parents often sent their children to their old schools.  It is part of growing up and the children expected it.  That snobbery probably also affects Kenyan nationals - the "best" schools are not in the home country.  Far better to send them to the UK!

I still think it is iniquitous to send a 5 or 6 year old to boarding school.  However, I say that from the perspective of having had to comfort 11 year olds as a dorm monitor at my own boarding school, and having worked at another (I hated that job) and seen how it affected 8 year olds.  Yes, the children do adapt and sometimes end up loving the school, but it does have an effect on the way they view their parents.  The relationships are a lot more distant - whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

By the time my brother and I were of school age there was a perfectly good (non-missionary) international day school (British curriculum) where we lived.  It went up to GCSE O Levels (10th grade) so we were not sent to boarding school until we were 15 or 16.  We had an Australian MK whose parents were in a remote area board with us during term time for a few years so he could go to that school.

However, many of our other MK and expat child friends were sent back to the UK earlier.  The cut off points were usually age 8,  age 11, and age 13.  

These days there are plenty of international schools, home-schooling curricula, and the internet.  I don't know why people still think it is a good idea to send tiny children away to be educated.

Again, it used to be expected.  This is the worst example of this I know - and I was in touch with these people recently after my aunt died.  My (childless) uncle and aunt were legal guardians in the UK for 2 children whose parents were missionaries in Africa. 

The children (now in their 70s) were left in their care at the ages of 3 and 18 months respectively.  They lived with my uncle and aunt until going to boarding school at age 5, and then spent most vacations with them.  Their "parents" came home on furlough every 5 years.  Their priority was the mission field in Africa.   The children went to Africa - twice.

Although they were never formally adopted these two people regarded my uncle and aunt as their real parents.  If you ask me, their parents' priorities were screwed up, but I don't think anyone ever confronted them over that.

Oops.  I didn't mean to write a book!