John Shrader 13: Is the End Near? (In Kafue?)

[subsaharanafrica]

Do we know who the guy is over John's right shoulder (presumably translating)?

[Gobsmacked]

John is fibbing again, no one could possibly be attentive for 3HOURS. After the first hour thoughts wander. His voice isn't spellbinding in any way. He is full of hot air and pride. Nothing else. 

The children look totally fed up. 

[subsaharanafrica]

6 minutes ago, Gobsmacked said:

John is fibbing again, no one could possibly be attentive for 3HOURS. After the first hour thoughts wander. His voice isn't spellbinding in any way. He is full of hot air and pride. Nothing else. 

The children look totally fed up. 

Perhaps John just can't read a crowd.

[Gobsmacked]

His holier Thankyou, great white missionary persona prevents any common sense he was born with from surfacing. He is all Meeeeeeee. Would he even notice if heads began to droop and folk fell asleep? Sadly I suspect not. His Ego is too huge.

[FundamentallyShocked]

On 9/5/2017 at 0:46 PM, WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo? said:

I've heard of Mission Aviation Fellowship, but I'm afraid I don't know much about them. The do seem to be international and fairly large. The website mentions "physical needs" in the sections I skimmed, so I hope that means they don't focus exclusively on proselytizing. I can't imagine they would partner with someone as inept as dear brother John. 

My BIL is connected to MAF and is a pilot. Please believe me that my humble, career missionary relatives have sacrificed money and comfort to live in the jungle for nearly 30 years. They love the people and care for physical and spiritual needs. Trust me! The training they had to go through to serve was extensive (read several years of training). Plus, they had to be debt-free and have raised support before heading overseas. AND, they had to have enough money in a savings account to fly everyone home. In 30 years, they have never asked us for money. Not even tangentially. John Schader is NOT a missionary. He is an embarrassment.

[Palimpsest]

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I briefly shared (without names or details), that we've been going through some very difficult trials in Kafue.

Why on earth would he want to do that?  Because he's a total glutton for attention and sympathy?  

Or perhaps he had to explain the absence of Roderick and his other former side-kicks if this was a return visit.  

If this is the same village he went to before, Jacqueline had relatives there.  I can't imagine trashing her or Roderick went down well even if he did not name names.

20 hours ago, hollyandivy said:

And what evil things has the poor warthog done to deserve such punishment?????

My sincere apologies to warthogs everywhere.  I was thinking of the song.

"'No one ever wants to court a Warthog.  Though a Warthog does her best ..."  
For those unfamiliar with Flanders and Swann and the Bestiary here you go.

Spoiler

 

I'd forgotten how condescending the male warthog is in that song!

[JeanieCat]

On 9/7/2017 at 6:09 AM, Lurky said:

Genuinely can't understand why missionaries don't learn "the local language" before they head out to their mission field (as part of the planning/preparation process!  ha! Who am I kidding?) - but even if that's not possible, how is it not number 1 priority when they get there? 

There might be a bit more excuse for John with Zambian languages than, say, the Dillards and Spanish, but that's more of a case of "buy a specialist language course.  But yeah, that involves that 4 letter word that John finds obscene:  W O R K

Many years ago when I was teaching in Manitoba I met a teacher who went to Africa to learn a local dialect. I found her to be quite a flaky person but she used her own money and was very sincere. She found it quite an arduous process and certainly was planning return trips to learn the dialect. She had to have been associated with some organization, I think she was mennonite, just to be able to stay in the village. While I thought her attempts were going to be futile she wasn't inflicting the type of damage that John is! 

[sawasdee]

3 HOURS? 3 HOURS? I can only say that my already high respect for the good manners of the local people has just soared. John has had his first miracle - no one walked out!

[Gobsmacked]

I bet they were polite and fed his party too.

[bertnee]

John thinks he's a pioneer, world explorer and missionary from the 1900s ready to colonize the continent. He doesn't realize that his mission is, at the very best, if I assume positive intent to his actions, an excessive ridiculous waste of money and an exercise in futility (yes, let's convert the Christians to Christianity!). But it's worse. He's stealing from people by wasting their donations on his failed plane, failed Bible school, failed chicken farm, ridiculous excursion for family portraits, on and on and on. He is blatantly racist and condescending to those he is trying to convert -- I cannot imagine as a white American that it is okay and acceptable to walk around in traditional-style African clothes or to wear that big dumb explorer hat and have my giant family take photos of me weeping and wailing and preaching damnation at a funeral of a man I've known for two months. He is RIDICULOUS. I can only hope his comeuppance will be soon.

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

3 hours ago, FundamentallyShocked said:

My BIL is connected to MAF and is a pilot. Please believe me that my humble, career missionary relatives have sacrificed money and comfort to live in the jungle for nearly 30 years. They love the people and care for physical and spiritual needs. Trust me! The training they had to go through to serve was extensive (read several years of training). Plus, they had to be debt-free and have raised support before heading overseas. AND, they had to have enough money in a savings account to fly everyone home. In 30 years, they have never asked us for money. Not even tangentially. John Schader is NOT a missionary. He is an embarrassment.

I hope you didn't take my mention of Mission Aviation Fellowship as a criticism.  (I'm sorry if it read that way.) I don't know much about MAF, but what I've heard has been positive.

I have no problem believing that there are missionaries like you describe who have trained thoroughly and made sacrifices to go around the world and help other people. I also completely agree that John Schrader is not such a person. He embarrasses me as a human being and the fact that he uses Christianity as an excuse for his actions is painful. 

[Palimpsest]

2 hours ago, FundamentallyShocked said:

In 30 years, they have never asked us for money. Not even tangentially. John Schader is NOT a missionary. He is an embarrassment.

Agreed.  I also come from a missionary family.  IFB missionaries like John Shrader fill me with horror.

I think we are actually very careful in this thread to distinguish between real missionaries who work very hard, do worthwhile things, and keep evangelism to a minimum, and John Shrader, the World's Worst "Missionary."  

MAF was presented as a legitimate mission, IIRC, but not one we know much about so your information was very helpful. 

1 hour ago, sawasdee said:

3 HOURS? 3 HOURS? I can only say that my already high respect for the good manners of the local people has just soared. John has had his first miracle - no one walked out!

No-one walked out that John told us about.  Johnny is the master of spin.  

I hope a few people got attacked by Satan, walked out, and spat in John's nshima.

[Gobsmacked]

Soon will not be soon enough unfortunately Bertnee! Cross all fingers, and spare limbs to make this happen. Those patient polite villagers do not need him and his ilk. 

[Lurky]

@FundamentallyShocked I hope you didn't think my Q was criticism.  I admit, I look askance at anyone who tries to evangelise, but I absolutely admire the missionaries whose approach is to serve first, and try to live their faith as an example.  It's so refreshing to hear about real missionaries, rather than the usual FJ focus of griftionaries/vacationaries like so many we hear about, so thank you!  (remember the terrible Luket Missionaries white women who made that awful video about vacationary life in Uganda?  I imagine the real missionaries are the most frustrated by them)

I really hope Timothy Rodrigues can connect with a proper air ministry, but I suspect he'll end up Shradered.

[bertnee]

To be honest I don't see Timothy actually getting involved at all with this airplane missionary idea. I can't imagine it's cheap to get training for that and the Rods don't stay in 1 place long enough to accomplish something like that. I think it's like Nurie's dream of being a missionary in Botswana or whatever.... Something Jill said they want to do because they don't have any clue what to do with their lives and it sounds like something the nice church ladies would like to hear.

[KnittingOwl]

2 hours ago, bertnee said:

To be honest I don't see Timothy actually getting involved at all with this airplane missionary idea. I can't imagine it's cheap to get training for that and the Rods don't stay in 1 place long enough to accomplish something like that. I think it's like Nurie's dream of being a missionary in Botswana or whatever.... Something Jill said they want to do because they don't have any clue what to do with their lives and it sounds like something the nice church ladies would like to hear.

And being a missionary sounds better than being crammed in an RV with Jill, David, and eleventy siblings. 

[subsaharanafrica]

It does make me sad that going to college and then joining the Peace Corps isn't an option for them. I can't imagine wanting to live in poverty in Botswana, working towards that, and gen being stuck there with no my in sight and no exit strategy. At least with the Peace Corps you have an end date. 

[Lurky]

The mission trip to Botswana was a short-term thing for Nurie - it was a trip she and her dad were going to go on that her mum was never really keen on, and seems to have disappeared off the table.

[formerpastorswife]

8 hours ago, bertnee said:

To be honest I don't see Timothy actually getting involved at all with this airplane missionary idea. I can't imagine it's cheap to get training for that and the Rods don't stay in 1 place long enough to accomplish something like that. I think it's like Nurie's dream of being a missionary in Botswana or whatever.... Something Jill said they want to do because they don't have any clue what to do with their lives and it sounds like something the nice church ladies would like to hear.

UNLESS JD Duggar really is starting a flight training business... Then we all know that Jilly&Co would be all over sending him there (i.e. grifting+begging the Duggars to take him for cheap/free because MISSIONS), whether that's what he really wants to do or not.

(Though let's face it, mission aviation is kinda the penultimate, most glamorous "calling" that a fundie boy can be "called to", so why wouldn't he? Pretty much every fundie boy I know that was pushed towards full-time Christian service has wanted to be a missionary pilot at sometime or another.)

[Palimpsest]

John is feeling ministered to.  Some missionary in S. Korea has made a video of his song with singers, violin and piano.  It still sounds like a dirge and his tune seems hard to sing.

John says:

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I'm in tears...

No words to express the depth of emotion...

I wanted to hear the song with strings...

I'm so ministered to right now...

Thank you Lillian Will

Thank you ladies (beautiful singing and violin)

Thank you Lord, for your servants that minister

This link might work for the public facebook post of the dirge video.

 https://www.facebook.com/lillian.o.r?hc_ref=ARSso5NPY-peYDbQefmoYNbJ1pPbeF3irW-vvELslDibA2bQsJr3zuVZy_7oUbm1cso&pnref=story

From the comments on that page someone is looking for the words and music:

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<redacted>Where should I look? All I am finding is very harsh and even vile links against he and his family. So sad and discouraging. I wish I could find a reputable site. Maybe I am just to tired and not able to think of the right way to look for this.

I suspect she found Free Jinger, among many other sites critical of John Shrader's fake missionary adventures.  She should read here more.  I like to think we are reputable.  We just use John's own words against him and point out the many inconsistencies.   

1 hour ago, Lurky said:

The mission trip to Botswana was a short-term thing for Nurie - it was a trip she and her dad were going to go on that her mum was never really keen on, and seems to have disappeared off the table.

I vaguely remember that the Botswana short-term mission trip was supposed to be Nurie's graduation grift gift.  But they had to plead for enough money to send David along too.  Naturally. 

I suspect that they didn't get enough money donated, Nurie will stay in the States, they will never mention it again, and the donors will not ask for their money back.  Which is a good thing, because Jill spent it all on her stupid vow renewal.  

[Lurky]

@Palimpsest The thing I'll say for Jill is she has unlimited energy for grifting, and is really good at it, with an entrepreneurial spirit that her parents basically would never let her have a proper outlet for.  And she loves her social media, to the point she's now posting videos then deleting them, so it doesn't look too much on her FB.  So the fact she did so little to help Nurie speaks volumes.  She didn't want Nurie to go on this trip, but couldn't say no (God called her daughter to go on a mission, how could she?), but she could and did make it impossible for Nurie to earn the money she needs.

[Palimpsest]

@Lurky.  Poor Nurie.   Jill is a bloody cow not to help her. 

Mind you, I don't think Nurie could have earned that sort of money from her necklaces and things so it was probably just another bold-faced grift by the parental units.

I looked at the Nurie's Etsy shop when they first mentioned the Botswana trip.  The necklaces were OK but I wasn't terribly impressed.  That sort of stuff is all over the place.

[Lurky]

Has David ever talked about the future he's planning for the kids, by the way?  Is he expecting the boys to join him in the ministry, and the girls to get married?  Would he be happy with them courting/marrying a black Zambian?  In fact, I wonder if his kids are allowed to play with the local kids?  I'd assume that they would pick up some of the language pretty quickly if they did - but I can also see John going full-on White Colonialist and keeping his family separate from the rest.

And wow, 3 hours of nothing but listen to John preaching?  That's tough, just thinking about it!  I've never watched one of his videos, but he doesn't seem the most charismatic individual out there...

[formergothardite]

56 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

All I am finding is very harsh and even vile links against he and his family. So sad and discouraging. I wish I could find a reputable site.

We are probably the most reputable site around when it comes to John Shrader. Anyone who finds us should start thinking long and hard about the questions we have asked. 

That hymn seems painful to sing. 

[FundamentallyShocked]

23 hours ago, WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo? said:

I hope you didn't take my mention of Mission Aviation Fellowship as a criticism.  (I'm sorry if it read that way.) I don't know much about MAF, but what I've heard has been positive.

 

No, I didn't take it as a criticism AT ALL!! I just wanted to comment that there are real missionaries out there, in reputable organizations, doing true good works and, yes, preaching the Gospel. JS is NOT NOT NOT an example of the hundreds of anonymous missionaries out there. MAF is a good organization, too.

18 hours ago, Lurky said:

@FundamentallyShocked I hope you didn't think my Q was criticism.  I admit, I look askance at anyone who tries to evangelise, but I absolutely admire the missionaries whose approach is to serve first, and try to live their faith as an example.  It's so refreshing to hear about real missionaries, rather than the usual FJ focus of griftionaries/vacationaries like so many we hear about, so thank you!  (remember the terrible Luket Missionaries white women who made that awful video about vacationary life in Uganda?  I imagine the real missionaries are the most frustrated by them)

I really hope Timothy Rodrigues can connect with a proper air ministry, but I suspect he'll end up Shradered.

Mercy, no!! I did not take that as criticism. I just had to comment that there are genuine, kind, humble missionaries out there. It's important that we not paint everyone with the foul-smelling paint that is JS...a truly horrid example of what missionaries do. Sadly, the bad ones seek publicity; the good ones can barely stand to tell others what they do and hate to ask for money.