Jinger/Jeremy: Not as Interesting as Jingerbread

[Thorns]

@vegancupcake 

In Norway pap smear screening is done on all women (who wants it) between 25 and 69, every third year.  The reasons for the lower age cut off is that a lot of young women have these changes, and usually they heal spontaneously, while almost none will get cervical cancer. Out of all norwegian females in the age group below the pap smear screen, 4 will get cervix cancer. So, by screening these women, a lot of them will get a positive, with all that it intails of emotional stress. The treatment of cell changes by removing a part of the cervix (which, in a lot of cases spontaneously resolves) can lead to a higher risk of premature births and spontaneuous abortions later on. So, to screen presumably healthy young females would lead to more harm than good. And, IF a girl younger than 25 gets symptoms, of course she will get the proper diagnostics and treatment. 

And, I work in health care. What do you mean by rationed? Age cut offs do exists, but they are hardly absolutes. Some types of surgery and treatments have a higher risk with higher age, so that they are not routinely recommended. That said, they are done if the individual are deemed to profit from it. I've seen 90-year olds being stented, given an pacemaker and the whole sheebang after an out of hospital cardial arrest, and rehabilitated to get bak home. Free of charge.

I've never had patients refused treatment because of "sorry, there is no more room on the quota". Waiting lists, yes, and in some cases long ones, but everybody has the right to treatment. 

It is not perfect, by all means, and we face HUGE challenges with the up and coming individualized medicine, with more opportunities to tailor treatment to that (genetic) individual. Public health will never be in a position to offer every availiable therapy and drug out there. Some of them are prohibitedly expensive. That said, I would much rather have medium healthcare for all than exceptional care for the few.

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

On 4/1/2017 at 7:49 AM, VeganCupcake said:

Wow. Unbelievable. Have they thought about how they will even afford to raise the first child, when they are already in the hole from the birth alone? And what would they do if their baby came down with leukemia, or autism, or some other super expensive condition?? I say this with no judgment. My own broke parents irresponsibly had a ton of children, and it's a huge stroke of luck that all of us have been healthy so far. 

WOW, Unbelievable, the level of judgmental twit that you are.  Little girl go have a seat, you said yourself your parents had more kids than they could pay for, shit the Duggar's & Bates' had more kids than they could pay for. I could go on a long rant about how irresponsible people are with so many kids or how irresponsible people are with money and things like that but I'm guessing it would be a lost cause, you are either a troll or just an ignorant child speaking of things you have no clue about, either way, check your judgement and ignorance at the door before you open your mouth again, just a life lesson long learned from someone who is probably older than your parents, and definitely more informed than all of you. 

[Blu'sClues]

On 29/03/2017 at 9:09 PM, Bugaboo said:

From DFO Facebook...Jinjer with the Seewald spawn. They do look happy. Jeremy looks so weird without facial hair! 

I don't see any kind of bump here either.

[VineHeart137]

32 minutes ago, Blu'sClues said:

I don't see any kind of bump here either.

You could barely see the alleged "bump" when she just had a shirt on, if there is a bump the coat would totally hide it.

Jeremy does look weird without the facial hair!

[Incognito22]

I didn't get the fame whore vibe from him until he donned that ridiculous Ben hat.  All bets are off now, he has the look!

[HarleyQuinn]

Jinger's got the crazy eyes in that one. 

[Rachel333]

On 4/1/2017 at 11:04 AM, SHERA said:

Is he really saying depression is a sin? Good Grief Charlie Brown! I don't remember depression being listed in the 10 commandments? 

That's actually a pretty common thing that Christians I've known have said. Apparently depression means you're not trusting God, or something like that.

[Glasgowghirl]

6 hours ago, Thorns said:

@vegancupcake 

In Norway pap smear screening is done on all women (who wants it) between 25 and 69, every third year.  The reasons for the lower age cut off is that a lot of young women have these changes, and usually they heal spontaneously, while almost none will get cervical cancer. Out of all norwegian females in the age group below the pap smear screen, 4 will get cervix cancer. So, by screening these women, a lot of them will get a positive, with all that it intails of emotional stress. The treatment of cell changes by removing a part of the cervix (which, in a lot of cases spontaneously resolves) can lead to a higher risk of premature births and spontaneuous abortions later on. So, to screen presumably healthy young females would lead to more harm than good. And, IF a girl younger than 25 gets symptoms, of course she will get the proper diagnostics and treatment. 

And, I work in health care. What do you mean by rationed? Age cut offs do exists, but they are hardly absolutes. Some types of surgery and treatments have a higher risk with higher age, so that they are not routinely recommended. That said, they are done if the individual are deemed to profit from it. I've seen 90-year olds being stented, given an pacemaker and the whole sheebang after an out of hospital cardial arrest, and rehabilitated to get bak home. Free of charge.

I've never had patients refused treatment because of "sorry, there is no more room on the quota". Waiting lists, yes, and in some cases long ones, but everybody has the right to treatment. 

It is not perfect, by all means, and we face HUGE challenges with the up and coming individualized medicine, with more opportunities to tailor treatment to that (genetic) individual. Public health will never be in a position to offer every availiable therapy and drug out there. Some of them are prohibitedly expensive. That said, I would much rather have medium healthcare for all than exceptional care for the few.

That was partly the reason why England and Wales increased the age to 25. They are reviewing the policy as it stands even when GP's suspect cervical cancer in someone under 25 and give them a smear labs are refusing to test the samples and a few young women have died. 

A few years ago a reality star, Jade Goody died due to missing a test and left behind two young sons. The impact from that was people we were wanting to get tested and many found they couldn't get the test.

[RosyDaisy]

Wow. Unbelievable. Have they thought about how they will even afford to raise the first child, when they are already in the hole from the birth alone? And what would they do if their baby came down with leukemia, or autism, or some other super expensive condition?? I say this with no judgment. My own broke parents irresponsibly had a ton of children, and it's a huge stroke of luck that all of us have been healthy so far. 

WTH? your using the pull out method. This could easily become your story. You are an incredibly ignorant, judgmental, hypocritical bitch.

[formergothardite]

@VeganCupcake is posting in other threads in the Duggar section, but I rather doubt she will come back to this one until it has safely moved on to another topic. Her posts revealed how totally clueless she is about life in general. After her whole pull out story, I just don't see her coming back to thank people for educating her and admit that she was wrong. 

[Minionmayhem]

Sweet cheezus on a cracker I've got major eye twitch over her comment, especially tossing autism in. Our healthcare leaves a lot to be desired here, but I am beyond grateful for all the services and therapies that are provided to my minions at no out of pocket cost. We have decent insurance as a retired military family and it has never been billed for anything. 

 

[Timetostoplurking]

And another thing....don't even get me started with The Austim stuff.  My autistic son is 22 and I could talk circles around her. (I just don't have the energy right now)

[Mela99]

Jeremy is much better looking with the facial hair. I wonder if Jinger now does his hair and facial hair like Jilly does for Derrick...

[sansan]

@toosweet, I like you, I get it. Not gonna change my mind, not gonna ask them to change theirs.

 

[nst]

1 hour ago, Mela99 said:

Jeremy is much better looking with the facial hair. I wonder if Jinger now does his hair and facial hair like Jilly does for Derrick...

I think it's a requirement

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

12 hours ago, Mela99 said:

Jeremy is much better looking with the facial hair. I wonder if Jinger now does his hair and facial hair like Jilly does for Derrick...

I don't know if he's better looking with it or if it the hate that is giving off a douchetastic vibe making him look ugly and stupid at the same time. 

[Keyleigh]

Healthcare here is good. Our government is trying to gut Medicare but they won't get all the changes through they want. 

Heres an example of our care. Yesterday I found a lump on my neck. So, Monday. I have a GP appointment on Thursday that will be bulkbilled. I will have to pay for blood tests if I need them. They will be approx $100. 

I also have rheumatoid arthritis and depression. My meds for my RA run me $30 a month and my depression meds $40. I don't pay to see specialists for either, being a public patient just means having to wait occasionally but NOT in an emergency. If god forbid my lump is something, I will be treated straight away without payment.

so yeah, universal health care works. And I can speak from experience, unlike you vegancupcake 

[sawasdee]

Still can't really get my head around paying for healthcare. I grew up with the NHS in the UK, where you got what you needed. Free at the point of use. We paid a National Insurance out of our wages which covered everyone. Even after 15 years in Thailand, where as an expat I pay - I still know that the locals get care for 30 bt - less than a dollar. And if I was still working, and not retired, I would be covered too.

If a developing country like Thailand can do this for its citizens, where the fuck is one of the richest, most advanced countries in the world coming from that an unexpected illness can bankrupt an entire family? There is something very wrong with the US. Capitalism gone crazy? Or just pure greed?

ETA The reason I am not covered as a retired expat, is that many people come here to retire. A large group of non citizens who have not paid into the scheme would bankrupt it. It would be very complex to work out who had worked/lived here long enough to qualify for the 30bt scheme. I do not feel bad about this - I have enough disposable income to carry private insurance - unlike most ordinary Thais.

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

18 minutes ago, sawasdee said:

Still can't really get my head around paying for healthcare. I grew up with the NHS in the UK, where you got what you needed. Free at the point of use. We paid a National Insurance out of our wages which covered everyone. Even after 15 years in Thailand, where as an expat I pay - I still know that the locals get care for 30 bt - less than a dollar. And if I was still working, and not retired, I would be covered too.

If a developing country like Thailand can do this for its citizens, where the fuck is one of the richest, most advanced countries in the world coming from that an unexpected illness can bankrupt an entire family? There is something very wrong with the US. Capitalism gone crazy? Or just pure greed?

Greed has taken over and its become an all mine fuck you society for many many people. 

I do have a question for you, you said you are retired and aren't covered anymore, is that in Tialand or are retires not covered at all and you don't have any? Is this in Tailand or the UK?

[SamiKatz]

2 hours ago, Keyleigh said:

Healthcare here is good. Our government is trying to gut Medicare but they won't get all the changes through they want. 

Heres an example of our care. Yesterday I found a lump on my neck. So, Monday. I have a GP appointment on Thursday that will be bulkbilled. I will have to pay for blood tests if I need them. They will be approx $100. 

I also have rheumatoid arthritis and depression. My meds for my RA run me $30 a month and my depression meds $40. I don't pay to see specialists for either, being a public patient just means having to wait occasionally but NOT in an emergency. If god forbid my lump is something, I will be treated straight away without payment.

so yeah, universal health care works. And I can speak from experience, unlike you vegancupcake 

This is my mother's experience with being diagnosed with breast cancer.

Early December - had a mammogram

One week later - GP called and said she had abnormal results and needed to do a biopsy

Just before Christmas - went to the hospital and had the biopsy

In between Christmas and New Years - saw a surgeon who confirmed breast cancer

Early January - Mother had a lumpectomy and lymph nodes removed

Mid January - Mother started radiation treatments

 

No cost to her, no waiting.

 

 

[just...sare]

On 4/1/2017 at 10:14 AM, Carm_88 said:

It costs me nothing but time. Sometimes my ortho visits do get put off but seeing that I was once the reason that someone else got pushed back, I don't ever complain.

Last year I was rushed to the hospital from my doctor's office and taken straight in for a CT scan. After having the dye IV inserted, I was sitting beside this sweet older lady who was telling me that she has to come every year for the same scan. She showed me her paperback and explained that she always comes on time, but that she often gets bumped for emergencies, and doesn't mind waiting. "What time is your appointment, dear?" she asked as the door opened to the scan room.

"I think I'm the emergency who's bumping you today," I apologized. as they called my name. (It turned out my lungs were riddled with blood clots. Actual emergency. Fun.)

[singsingsing]

A little over a decade ago now, my grandpa went in for an angiogram. They found that his heart was almost completely blocked. He was immediately admitted to the hospital. The next day, he was flown by helicopter to another city. The day after that he had a quadruple bypass. Then obviously he had a long recovery with physical therapy. I was so worried he would never be the same, but after he recovered he was better than ever, and within a year he was playing hockey again. Total cost: $0.00.

[MayMay1123]

almost 30 years ago my son inhaled a pistachio shell. we went to the local e.r. where a doctor told me he was having an asthma attack, even though i repeatedly told them he inhaled a nut shell @@ they dismissed us with some albuterol. the next day his pediatrician, who actually believed me (imagine that) referred me to an ent, who took xrays and discovered...a nut shell laying over one of his bronchial tubes. by then he was in pretty bad pneumonia. he was taken in for emergency surgery, where they did not have instruments small enough (he was just over 2). he was then taken to CHOP (children's hospital of philadelphia, most excellent hospital to this day) by ambulance, still under sedation, where he underwent yet another (successful) emergency surgery. after, he was placed in the nicu because there was no room in the ped icu...seeing those teeny babies was sobering, i never forgot how lucky we were. he stayed over night and we were able to take him home the next afternoon. we found out after that my husband's company had let the health insurance lapse without telling anyone. our bill was over $100,000, my husband's boss paid it. i think we'd still be trying to pay that bill if he hadn't... it is so incomprehensible to me that people are dying because of greed...i think everyone who is sick and can't get insurance needs to camp out in front of the white house, let the bodies pile up where they can be seen

[ivyalba]

I'm about to graduate from medical school (in the US) and after my first year I think (whenever I turned 26) I was able to get on Medicaid in my state of residence- one of the states that accepted the governmental aid for the Affordable Care Act or however that worked- I promise I am educated on these topics; I'm just having a brain fart at the moment! I have not had to pay a dime for keeping up with my health, even as I was worked up for intractable headaches, which thankfully are likely just migraines, though my neurologist wants me to get an MRI each year to make sure I don't have Multiple Sclerosis since my initial MRI was suspicious. Sometimes I feel like I'm cheating the system because while I have -$300k to my name right now, in give or take 10 years, I could be making that amount of money. However, I have gained valuable insight as to what government insurance will provide to people which will help me when I start treating patients of my own. In theory, programs like Medicaid are great. They start to fail when people cheat the system or there aren't enough doctors available who take that insurance, etc, and then the figurative headache begins!

[Kittikatz]

I live in a country with universal health care.

My mother went for her routing yearly mammogram and ultrasound (no charge), two days later her GP called her to come in that day (no charge). She was given a breast cancer diagnosis. Less than a week later she had surgery (also no charge), and two weeks later started radiation therapy 3x a week for six weeks (no charge). There was a volunteer service that gave her rides to and from the hospital she was receiving treatment at (also no charge), and when she started to have some very unpleasant side effects from the radiation, and was having problems taking care of herself, her doctor arranged to have home care come in to help with self care, general house cleaning and cooking (also no charge). This was all regarded as completely standard, and was not a special level of care.

Needless to say, this made the whole process a lot easier for everyone, especially my mother. We could never have afforded this kind of care out of pocket. Almost nobody could. 

Also, back in the 80's when my brother was in the NICU, the government used to issue invoices for health care costs (not for payment - just informational purposes). I found one when I was going through my father's papers. One week (with no surgeries or extraordinary intreventions), billed out to over $32,000. Considering be spent 16 months in the NICU, and had more then 20 surgeries, the bill some weeks would have been a whole lot higher. My father was unemployed at the time, so paying that out of pocket would have bankrupted my family.

Universal health care isn't perfect - nothing ever is, but it works.