The Invisible Jinger (and Her Preacher Man Jeremy)

[HereticHick]

10 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I remember that episode where they put the two grand pianos closer together and Jinger played them both at the same time. She's always been good. Being a SAHD gives you lots of time to practice.

Perhaps she will be the pianist at Jeremy's church. If they even have room for a piano.  

Remember, his church is basically a small house.  From Google Streetview:

[formergothardite]

22 hours ago, FreeSiah said:

Just think if she could've went to school for it like Erin did

Erin was lucky there was a fundie college near her. If there wasn't, she probably wouldn't have gone either. I haven't been able to find a Clown College within driving distance of the Duggars. There are Christian ones, but not fundie ones. I do wonder if the Duggars would have been more college minded if they too had a Clown College near them.

IMO Jinger is better than Erin. 

[flycat]

Jeremy preached at his dad's church last Sunday...

 

http://www.newlifemd.org/sermons/

[PennySycamore]

55 minutes ago, HereticHick said:

Perhaps she will be the pianist at Jeremy's church. If they even have room for a piano.  

Remember, his church is basically a small house.  From Google Streetview:

You probably couldn't put a baby grand in that house, oops, church, but you could put a spinet or upright piano.

ETA: or an electric piano.  (I forgot about those.)

[Four is Enough]

Let's see. I'll be more impressed if I hear Jinger do a second or third piece with or without sheet music. Could be that's the only piece she can do so well.. 

I took piano lessons, and there are about three pieces I can play from memory. Try something else with me and you'll see how bad I am.

Perhaps Jinger is more talented, and she certainly hits the right notes, but I'd like to see more.

[nolongerIFBx]

On 12/24/2016 at 0:59 PM, immodest_countenance said:

 

The duggars are NOT normal christians, nor should they be representing them. The duggar's have a warped, fundamentalist, toxic version a christianity created by a perverted, power-hungry man. 

 

I realize this was posted some time ago, but I need to like  it a thousand times.

[nolongerIFBx]

On 12/30/2016 at 8:58 AM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I guess I hope that as time goes on and real life happens, that many of the second generation fundies do limit their family size. I have a friend who is catholic and decided not to use any birth control after marriage. Then life happened. Pregnancies very close together, a child with special needs, job loss, and more. Needless to say they decided to use BC and have no more. 

I think it's easy to say "we are leaving it up to god" when you have 0, 1, 2, or 3 kids only. Shit gets real when you have 5 small children (2 or 3 in diapers) while dealing with morning sickness from your newest blessing, and trying to live off of one income. 

Yep. An acquaintance of mine married a no BC man. First child was a honey moon baby. She had very bad morning sickness. 2nd child followed quickly after. She was nearly confined to bed for some of that pregnancy. "Miraculously", the next baby was quite a few years later. There was only a #4 because of some type of BC failure. Real life is a lot more difficult than their fantasy.

[socalrules]

41 minutes ago, Four is Enough said:

Let's see. I'll be more impressed if I hear Jinger do a second or third piece with or without sheet music. Could be that's the only piece she can do so well.. 

I took piano lessons, and there are about three pieces I can play from memory. Try something else with me and you'll see how bad I am.

Perhaps Jinger is more talented, and she certainly hits the right notes, but I'd like to see more.

I was thinking the same thing. Jinger may be really good at a few songs but can she play anything else. If you put sheet music for a song she doesn't know in front of her, would she be able to read it and play it? We snark on Erin but she has continually worked hard at her music and seems to have the ability to play more than one song. I give her credit for that and using that ability to teach and provide for her family. I think if Jinger was this phenomenal pianist, the Duggars would brag about it. Let's not forget that Jana is supposed to be the concert pianist in the family. 

As to the college issue, I think you could put a perfect fundy Christian college right next door to the Duggar house and they still wouldn't let their kids go. They don't seem to value any type of education. I know Joseph was allowed to go to Crown for a bit but I assume that was to be a storyline for the show. 

[SuchABlessing]

One of my elderly friends told me once she was chastised by her priest because she mentioned she was on the pill. She said "excuse me, but will the church pay for half a dozen catholic educations and feed them for me?" And the priest was kind of speachless lol 

when I was in pre-Cana (a required catholic course you must take before being married in the church. Basically just a "are you serious about this?" Lecture series) they touched on the evils of birth control and my hubby, who is not Catholic, literally had to hold my hand under the table to stop me from speaking up. I've been on the pill since I was 13 years old. I have endometriosis and the pill will slow the progression of the disease. The pill is the one thing that has allowed me to get pregnant, when I was ready, because it held he endo at bay all those years. All my future pregnancies will have to be carefully planned. I don't have a choice for "natural family planning". If I went off the pill and stayed off of it, I probably wouldn't be able to conceive at all, 

[Shouldabeenacowboy]

39 minutes ago, SuchABlessing said:

One of my elderly friends told me once she was chastised by her priest because she mentioned she was on the pill. She said "excuse me, but will the church pay for half a dozen catholic educations and feed them for me?" And the priest was kind of speachless lol 

when I was in pre-Cana (a required catholic course you must take before being married in the church. Basically just a "are you serious about this?" Lecture series) they touched on the evils of birth control and my hubby, who is not Catholic, literally had to hold my hand under the table to stop me from speaking up. I've been on the pill since I was 13 years old. I have endometriosis and the pill will slow the progression of the disease. The pill is the one thing that has allowed me to get pregnant, when I was ready, because it held he endo at bay all those years. All my future pregnancies will have to be carefully planned. I don't have a choice for "natural family planning". If I went off the pill and stayed off of it, I probably wouldn't be able to conceive at all, 

+1.

All my life, I have had a plethora of hormonal issues along with PCOS, and the pill has been a true life saver for me. I only stopped it when we decided to try to get pregnant - and it was promptly replaced by hormone treatments under the care of a highly experienced, well-prepared, wonderful OB-GYN who specializes in treating people with fertility issues. 

YMMV.

[December]

3 hours ago, HereticHick said:

Remember, his church is basically a small house.

Wow, you aren't kidding. Maybe it's just whatever season that image is from, but it looks kind of depressing... I thought most churches tried for some curb appeal.

54 minutes ago, SuchABlessing said:

I don't have a choice for "natural family planning". If I went off the pill and stayed off of it, I probably wouldn't be able to conceive at all

 

And that seems to be what many people, especially fundies, misunderstand about birth control.Most women use birth control at some point in their lives; most women still end up having children at some point, too. It's about family planning, not preventing women who want children from having them. It's wonderful that modern medicine has given you and others that option; maybe if there were more stories like that in the media, some people would look at birth control differently!

3 hours ago, formergothardite said:

I do wonder if the Duggars would have been more college minded if they too had a Clown College near them.

Probably, if only for the fact it would make them look more "normal" on camera. Don't most/all colleges like that require things for admission like pastoral references? And I'm guessing that they are more intensely scrutinized than ones required for more mainstream Christian colleges. So they should've been covered as far as avoiding exposure to new ideas and beliefs. Considering how many of the adult kids have stayed close to the TTH, even when theoretically living abroad, I wonder how much distance may have factored into their choices to avoid "college" versus their preference for the SOTDRT or even the financial burden of higher ed.

[nolongerIFBx]

On 1/1/2017 at 2:33 PM, SweetFellowshipper said:

I assume he just has an agenda and is willing to lie/massively bend the truth, like the doctors at those "pregnancy clinics" that claim to offer abortions but then do a bait and switch. Of course, they could have just heard what they wanted to hear, but specifying that it's a "Christian doctor" makes me think he was a charlatan like the "Christian therapy" they prefer.

They do love their charlatans.

There was an article that explored this theory: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2006/PSCF9-06Sullivan.pdf . It pretty much comes to the conclusion that it can't be proved either way. So if you wanted to avoid even the remotest possibility of an embryo not implanting because of your actions, you could go so far as to avoid taking birth control pills that thin the lining of the uterus.

All I know if that when a person is doing embryo transfers, their doctors often put them on birth control pills. Seems to me like if there was even the least little bit of a chance that would cause the embryo not to implant, that the doctors would not do that--unless you really want to believe that those infertility specialists are so money hungry that they could so cold-heartedly sabotage hurting people's chance for a child.

[SweetFellowshipper]

6 minutes ago, nolongerIFBx said:

There was an article that explored this theory: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2006/PSCF9-06Sullivan.pdf . It pretty much comes to the conclusion that it can't be proved either way. So if you wanted to avoid even the remotest possibility of an embryo not implanting because of your actions, you could go so far as to avoid taking birth control pills that thin the lining of the uterus.

All I know if that when a person is doing embryo transfers, their doctors often put them on birth control pills. Seems to me like if there was even the least little bit of a chance that would cause the embryo not to implant, that the doctors would not do that--unless you really want to believe that those infertility specialists are so money hungry that they could so cold-heartedly sabotage hurting people's chance for a child.

But I think they believe, based on their statements, that it could have implanted already and then the pill can cause an abortion. 

[nolongerIFBx]

10 minutes ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

But I think they believe, based on their statements, that it could have implanted already and then the pill can cause an abortion. 

Could be. Another fundie acquaintance of mine lost her first pregnancy and her fundie mother who is a nurse(!) told her that it could have been because the pill was not entirely out of her system (she conceived right after stopping the pill) so to use condoms for a few months after going off the pill the next ime. (not all fundies think BC is bad. . . even if they don't quite understand how it works!)

Seriously, though, if your daughter just lost a wanted pregnancy, would you basically tell her that it was her fault?! Every time I think about it. . . 

[eveandadam]

On 30.12.2016 at 3:58 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I guess I hope that as time goes on and real life happens, that many of the second generation fundies do limit their family size. I have a friend who is catholic and decided not to use any birth control after marriage. Then life happened. Pregnancies very close together, a child with special needs, job loss, and more. Needless to say they decided to use BC and have no more. 

I think it's easy to say "we are leaving it up to god" when you have 0, 1, 2, or 3 kids only. Shit gets real when you have 5 small children (2 or 3 in diapers) while dealing with morning sickness from your newest blessing, and trying to live off of one income. 

yap, I would sign every word of this.

My wild guess for the Duggar will be that they'll end up with a surprisingly low number of grandchildren, I would say around 50-80 in total (keep in mind that if all 19 had 19 kids of their own they would end up with 361 grandchildren, so 50-80 would be very few in their world.

Wild guess number two: there are 19 Duggar children:

only 2-3 Duggar children will have more than 5 kids (but noone will reach double digits)

4-5 Duggar children won't have any children for different reasons (either because they never marry or because they cant have children or because they decided they don't want any and use bc)

the remaining 11-13 will have 1-5 children each.

 

my prediction for the Duggar child with most children on their own would be Joy. I can see her having 8 children but not more than that.

 

[vspielman]

57 minutes ago, nolongerIFBx said:

Another fundie acquaintance of mine lost her first pregnancy and her fundie mother who is a nurse(!) told her that it could have been because the pill was not entirely out of her system (she conceived right after stopping the pill) so to use condoms for a few months after going off the pill the next ime. (not all fundies think BC is bad. . . even if they don't quite understand how it works!)

This.  Just....my god.   This.  Where in the hell did this woman get her nursing degree???????????  Was she actually an RN?  Or even an LPN?

[Adrienne83]

51 minutes ago, vspielman said:

This.  Just....my god.   This.  Where in the hell did this woman get her nursing degree???????????  Was she actually an RN?  Or even an LPN?

My nurse husband tells me stories about co-wokers who have idiotic medical opinions. It really happens more often than you realize. He, and they, are RNs.

[Bad Wolf]

Back in the dark ages, about 40 years ago, I was told to be off the pill for a couple of months before trying to conceive. I think it was to let my body readjust. Who knows? Anyway, it worked.

[Four is Enough]

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nother fundie acquaintance of mine lost her first pregnancy and her fundie mother who is a nurse(!) told her that it could have been because the pill was not entirely out of her system (she conceived right after stopping the pill) so to use condoms for a few months after going off the pill the next ime. (not all fundies think BC is bad. . . even if they don't quite understand how it works!

I am an RN, a Degreed Medical Professional, and back in the dark ages, (I graduated my diploma program in 75, BS in 87, MS in 91)  I distinctly remember being told that women were routinely told to use a second form of birth control for three months or so  after stopping the PIll.  It was widely thought that the Pill exerted possible effects for longer than a month after taking it. All Three were NLN accredited programs. 

Anyway, at one time, that was the prevailing wisdom. I don't know what  is being said now. Remember, too, that the Pill was much higher of a dose of hormones at the time. The dosage has decreased and refined over the years.

[SweetFellowshipper]

My friend (fundie lite/evangelical) who is an RN fully believes that prayer trumps any medical practice, any time. That we do medical treatment because we "don't have enough faith" but if we did, we would all be cured of our ills. No joke. 

Fundies know no bounds in terms of profession. She also lives in the deep South, I think fundies pervade more of life in general there (I know they are everywhere! Not insulting the South, there just seems to be a greater concentration).

[Fun Undies]

1 minute ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

My friend (fundie lite/evangelical) who is an RN fully believes that prayer trumps any medical practice, any time. That we do medical treatment because we "don't have enough faith" but if we did, we would all be cured of our ills. No joke. 

Fundies know no bounds in terms of profession. She also lives in the deep South, I think fundies pervade more of life in general there (I know they are everywhere! Not insulting the South, there just seems to be a greater concentration).

^ I'm not sure it's about a lot of fundies being in the South, as much as the "Bible belt" has a lot of evangelical Christians who like to preach the loudest, and truly believe that their #1 job in this life is to convert as many souls as possible - irregardless of how those souls reach Jesus (thus giving the unfortunate appearances that all of us Christians are bible thumping, fire and brimstone types).

I actually would argue that less than 25% of Christians would actually go up to a stranger and try to scare them into Jesus' arms with threats of eternal damnation being their lead argument (but I'd have to find a study I read about the various Christians groupings found in America that I read a few years ago to confirm that statistic).

[SassyPants]

8 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

Let's see. I'll be more impressed if I hear Jinger do a second or third piece with or without sheet music. Could be that's the only piece she can do so well.. 

I took piano lessons, and there are about three pieces I can play from memory. Try something else with me and you'll see how bad I am.

Perhaps Jinger is more talented, and she certainly hits the right notes, but I'd like to see more.

Yep... I know a couple of people who can play 1 piece exceedingly well and nothing else!

[Fun Undies]

Just now, SassyPants said:

Yep... I know a couple of people who can play 1 piece exceedingly well and nothing else!

. . . well since I can't play anything, much less a piano, I'll give her kudos for being able to do that

[Iamtheway]

4 minutes ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

My friend (fundie lite/evangelical) who is an RN fully believes that prayer trumps any medical practice, any time. That we do medical treatment because we "don't have enough faith" but if we did, we would all be cured of our ills. No joke. 

Fundies know no bounds in terms of profession. She also lives in the deep South, I think fundies pervade more of life in general there (I know they are everywhere! Not insulting the South, there just seems to be a greater concentration).

Why did she become a nurse then? To treat people that don't have enough faith? She should have been a preacher to save lifes. 

Everyday I read something on this forum that makes me think that these people can't possibly exist for real. 

[SweetFellowshipper]

7 minutes ago, Iamtheway said:

Why did she become a nurse then? To treat people that don't have enough faith? She should have been a preacher to save lifes. 

Everyday I read something on this forum that makes me think that these people can't possibly exist for real. 

She did it to have a job, I guess (she was always a little odd). It is really disconcerting to see her FB posts about how nothing matters except Jesus/prayer and science and facts are overrated (you know the kind of memes) mixed with "headed to work today xoxo!" At a hospital. Cognitive dissonance much?

Then again, I have a definite bias...When I watch the Bates' show and see the Bible verses and Jesus references in the background at the ob/gyn and even the urgent care clinic (?!?!?!), or when I see those photos of surgeons having prayer circles before a surgery, I get freaked out. They just shouldn't mix in my mind. I'm sure that some very intelligent people are doctors or nurses for partly religious reasons...I'd just prefer not to know about them or have them on the walls as I get treated.