Anna Duggar and the M Kids - Part 3

[HarleyQuinn]

24 minutes ago, Four is Enough said:

I guess I just don't understand why it's so difficult for these women to be alone. I CRAVE solitude. (Of course, i'm sure the devil is creeping into my heart, building fortresses all over the place.. but I digress.) If Mr. Four did to me what Josh did to Anna, the very LAST place i'd want to be is in a house with his family.

Right? I NEED to be alone. There's no way none of these fundie girls are introverts of some kind. You can't beat that feeling out of someone, can you?

[karen77]

It will be really interesting to see what happens when Josh is home and around her, he went off to jesus camp right after everything came out, she probably didn't have much chance to process everything with him around. And with him gone, she doesn't have the same reactions to him that she will when he is back, plus if he's just done, then that won't be evident to her until he's back around. So her current decision to stay, who knows if that will completely stick. It's one thing to say it when someone isn't around and hasn't been, you only remember the good times, not the current shitty ones. Hopefully this make sense, hard to put into a real thought. I just think reality of what life is going to actually be like won't set in until he's back and showing his true colors to her again.

[luv2laugh]

8 minutes ago, karen77 said:

It will be really interesting to see what happens when Josh is home and around her, he went off to jesus camp right after everything came out, she probably didn't have much chance to process everything with him around. And with him gone, she doesn't have the same reactions to him that she will when he is back, plus if he's just done, then that won't be evident to her until he's back around. So her current decision to stay, who knows if that will completely stick. It's one thing to say it when someone isn't around and hasn't been, you only remember the good times, not the current shitty ones. Hopefully this make sense, hard to put into a real thought. I just think reality of what life is going to actually be like won't set in until he's back and showing his true colors to her again.

Based on what she said during the interview about how she made the vow to God first and sees herself as an extension of God's love to Josh, I don't see her ever leaving. She seems pretty hard-core in her beliefs on this. It will probably be a miserable time for her when he comes back but she's made it clear she's willing to suffer since she sees it as obeying God.  She has 3 siblings that have left the fold, one offered to help publicly, but she will not do it since she sees them as heathens that are disobeying God and does not want to be seen as black sheep in the family like they are. Also, in a bizarre way I think she is very in love with Josh. She called visiting him in the camp as the 3 best days of her life. Those are strong words. She probably is blaming herself for his sexual deviancy and Satan for tempting him.

[Incognito22]

Maybe someone already brought this up but do any of you think TLC has approached Anna about her own show if she were to leave Josh?  We all know they have no boundaries so...

[Cleopatra7]

24 minutes ago, Incognito22 said:

Maybe someone already brought this up but do any of you think TLC has approached Anna about her own show if she were to leave Josh?  We all know they have no boundaries so...

I doubt it, since the Duggars are considered a single unit, and Anna isn't interesting enough to carry a series (well, none of them are, to be honest). The only way I could see Anna getting her own show would be if she broke ranks and left ATI and the Duggars for good, and that obviously isn't going to be happening anytime soon, if at all.

[OnceUponATime]

48 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Right? I NEED to be alone. There's no way none of these fundie girls are introverts of some kind. You can't beat that feeling out of someone, can you?

I remember watching a video of Jana (and Erin) discussing JTTH. She made a comment along the lines of she loved it because she got some peace and quiet. She then reworded it in a way which made it sound (to me at least) like she wasn't allowed to desire some alone time .
 

[socalrules]

I can completely believe that Anna said those three days were the best days of her life. She likely sees it as the beginning of a new, better chapter of her marriage. I don't doubt that Josh told Anna exactly what she had been hoping to hear, i.e. he loves and misses Anna/kids, he has found God again and it's Anna's love that has shown him the light. I truly believe that Anna and the rest of the Duggars believe that once Josh is out of "rehab", their lives will go back to the way they were and people will like them again. In other words, bring back the show again and let them pontificate on how wonderful and Godly they are. 

[OodOnTheLoo]

And make-up sex where Josh probably felt obligated to make it really good for Anna and Anna tried out some new, keep your weak male happy moves.  I'm sure she is floating on all his new promises.  I wonder if he sang a song of faithfulness again?

 

 

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, Drala said:

"She said, 'It was the best three days of my life,' says the source.

I agree that Josh would have been extraordinarily attentive and affectionate for Anna to comment in this way, but I'm irked that it was "a source" who put these words in her mouth.  My first thought at reading Anna's alleged statement was, Wow. She's had a sad, miserable life if three days with an infant and Josh in Jesus Jail are the best ever.  I can see her expressing satisfaction or even happiness over the visit, but "best three days of my life"?  

I make allowances for hyperbole and misquotes. She may not have said exactly that.  

But she may have meant (sorry folks, take out the brain bleach, if necessary) that this was the best sex she and Josh had.  Remember how inexperienced she was and how young-and-horny he was when first married.  Remember what an entitled asshole he has always been.  Maybe repentance made him tender.  Maybe he has more self control... And one infant instead of two or three who may wake up do make things more restful.

Still sad.

[Drala]

I'm still skeptical.  I think Anna is too modest to be crowing about how good the sex is with Josh since he's been brought low and repented his sins.  It's more like something JB would say to let everyone know Josh and Anna are still "one flesh" and there's no divorce happening any time soon.

[Bad Wolf]

Were they allowed to be alone together? Is Josh allowed off the campus to visit with family? I envisioned supervised visits like jail.

[MyMilkshake]

Perhaps baby #5 is already baking in the oven  :/ 

[gustava]

5 hours ago, Drala said:

Josh in Jesus Jail

New thread title?

[tsukinokawa]

1 hour ago, MyMilkshake said:

Perhaps baby #5 is already baking in the oven  :/ 

i pray it ain't true, at least for now 

[Nikedagain?]

On 12/22/2015 at 2:53 PM, halcionne said:

Was this guest house discussed on FJ? Is there footage of it in any episode? I've been trying to get more information* on it for quite some time, but my google-fu never gets me anywhere. I seem to remember reading here about Tim and Franicia White staying in a Duggar guest house at one point, but that didn't help my search. Any tips or keywords to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.

*I haven't watched the show in years. It didn't even dawn on me that the guest house may have appeared there, lol.

Refresh my memory, Where were they (Josh, Anna, M kids) staying when they first returned from DC?

[calimojo]

On another site, I saw a meme that I wish we could send to Anna.  It says,  "No Matter how many times a snake changes its skin, underneath it is still a snake".  Josh will be all fresh, shiny and new when he comes home, but Josh is damaged.  His parents ruined him and eventually his damage will again show.  He might be too scared to venture into the world of online sex and porn, but he could have his damage show up as frustration,  poor impulse control, anger issues.  Either way, once the shine is off the apple, Josh will most likely not have a happy life and by extension, neither will Anna.  As for the kids,  Well, I feel like their lifestyle is more like kids who grew up in  a commune.  Even though Anna is their Mom, I suspect that it is more of a communal lifestyle with varying degrees of authority figures over them.    In some ways, this might be better for them, then if JB sets them up in another home and they try to pull off the nuclear family.  As bad as we agree the Duggars are,  there is some buffer there for her kids.  They aren't left alone with a distraught and heart broken mom,  and a bitter and twisted father.   

 

We all think that Anna should have left, and I agree in theory, but Anna has just revealed how poor her judgment really is.  She admitted reading those police reports and still calls Josh's sex crimes a "bad decision".  I don't think on her own, without a lot of professional support, that she really has what it takes to make it on her own. 

 

As a mom, she seems much more nurturing than Michelle, and definitely more hands on, but Michelle was probably more hands one when she only had 4 kids also. So I do give her props for being a loving an warm mother, at least based on what we have seen on camera.  But I don't credit her with the ability to really raise 4 kids on her own.  Even if her brother offered to help, unless he is wealthy,  how could he support her with 4 kids.  I think part of why Anna is staying is because on some level, she knows she can't do it herself.  She can pretend that this is sign of the strength of her faith, but I think it is more a sign of fear of being a single mom.  I get it,  she was never raised to believe she could ever be independent, so it isn't surprising that she would just acquiesce her anger and heartbreak, past a crooked smile on her face, curl her hair to infinity and beyond and enjoy he new role as the ultimate godly wife.

[EmCatlyn]

23 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

Maybe that's why he didn't suggest it; Woman alone in a house w/4 children would be "unprotected" in his eyes, weak little things that we are.

I don't know if living in the guest house on their property would constitute Anna being alone and unprotected.  Among other things, I don't know where the house is in relation to the TTH.

What I do think that all this indignation about how JB won't "allow" Anna to live anywhere but in the girl's room is misplaced.  Anna has no right to any of the other properties available to the Duggars, and there is no suggestion that she has asked to stay anywhere else.

Anna had two choices: she could have accepted help from her brother who would have helped her divorce Josh  or she could accept help from JB, who will naturally promote her reunion with Josh.  She chose JB and the reunion with Josh.

Neither choice was ideal, but she chose the one she preferred.   And the truth is that neither her brother nor JB had an obligation to care for her.  In the outside world, without their help, she would have had to go on public assistance of some sort.

JB's motives for not offering Anna a more independent living arrangement than staying in the girls' bedroom are probably not as simple and calculated as they seem to us.  The girls' bedroom may be where all unaccompanied females (including Tabitha Paine) stay.  

Sure, JB is manipulative and having Anna under his roof has enabled the Duggars to support and reinforce her decision to reunite with Josh.  But I don't see that placing her in the "dorm" is necessarily part of that manipulation.

We should not judge Anna's feelings by what we would feel.  There may well have been a period during which Anna didn't care where she lived or what happened to her and when she welcomed being swallowed up into the Duggar household.  Knowing that her kids were being cared for must have been a huge comfort at times when all she wanted to do was cry.

Maybe I am repeating myself, but it bothers me that we keep looking at Anna only in terms of what we wanted her to do and what we think JB should have done.  But maybe she is content with being at the TTH until Josh comes home.

[calimojo]

Very good post

Anna is used to living in tight quarters with lots of kids.  Her childhood home is very modest.  Having help with kids was beneficial to her as well. 

 

However,  I think it is unfortunate that there isn't a guest room inside of that house.  At the very least, as an adult married woman, I think she should have at least been given her own room.  And also for the benefit of the other little Duggarlings.  They shouldn't have have to be sharing a space with a woman who is going through so much turmoil.  If Anna was weepy, etc,  that could have been frightening for the little girls sharing that space to see, especially when they are taught to always keep sweet. 

 

I think from a PR point of view, it was a terrible ideal to show Anna in that girl's room.   It makes JB look miserly towards his daughter in law and grandkids.  They should have filmed her elsewhere, and why they placed such emphasis on showing her grooming herself is beyond me.  To me that was just so disconnected.  Showing Jessa curling her hair was odd as well.  They already all seem so shallow, and that just confirms it.  I think the producers of this show reveal their own inner conflict in working with this family based on some of the very unflattering ways they show them.    while the Duggars themselves probably don't realize that they are truly a big bunch of oddballs, the Producers surely do, and they like to expose that either for the freakshow nature or because that is their own passive aggressive way of dealing with them.  I doubt that they all keep sweet among them.  I bet JB, M and Several of the kids have pissed of that crew at some point in time.  Duggar time alone would be enough to do that.

[Othello]

5 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

She probably is blaming herself for his sexual deviancy and Satan for tempting him.

That line right there is depressing as fuck. Unfortunately that's how it usually shakes out :[ 

[MoonFace]

2 hours ago, Drala said:

I'm still skeptical.  I think Anna is too modest to be crowing about how good the sex is with Josh since he's been brought low and repented his sins.  It's more like something JB would say to let everyone know Josh and Anna are still "one flesh" and there's no divorce happening any time soon.

Gawd!  Can you imagine having sex with Joshy again and wondering where he learned these new 'tricks" and wondering how you measure up to a 'professional'.    GAG

[EmmieJ]

1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

Anna had two choices: she could have accepted help from her brother who Maybe I am repeating myself, but it bothers me that we keep looking at Anna only in terms of what we wanted her to do and what we think JB should have done.  But maybe she is content with being at the TTH until Josh comes home.

I think your assessment is correct.  Anna is making her own choices - and I have no doubt that what she wants is for Josh to get "rehabbed", return to the fold, and resume married life with her and the kids.  So option 1 (leave, move in with brother, seek a divorce) was not what she wanted.  While I personally would hate moving into a big dorm room with my unmarried sisters-in-law, it possibly bothers Anna less, especially if she sees this as a temporary step on the path to reuniting with Josh once he's done with his religious re-education.

[accountingstar]

I am sorry but I don't buy it for one second that Anna is living in the girls room. David Waller's blog posted photos of the guest house in which Josh and Anna were living in. It's connected to the Duggar's main house. It appears that it is connected by the laundry room. It even has its own kitchen. There's not enough beds in the girls room. So two girls left. Tabitha Paine moves in. That leaves one bed. Anna has four children plus herself. There is not enough room for everybody. Heck, I could see some of the Duggar girls staying in the guest house to help Anna take care of the children. Maybe Jim Bob doesn't want people to know about the addition to his property. I can't remember if it was shown on the show. I don't know why the show had Anna living in the girls room.

Photos from the blog post:

This photo clearly shows that this guest house belongs to the Duggar Family.

http://davidlovespriscilla.com/2015/08/11/visit-with-family/

[EmCatlyn]

4 hours ago, Drala said:

I'm still skeptical.  I think Anna is too modest to be crowing about how good the sex is with Josh since he's been brought low and repented his sins.  It's more like something JB would say to let everyone know Josh and Anna are still "one flesh" and there's no divorce happening any time soon.

I don't see her "crowing over sex."  I see her thinking that now that he is good with Christ he is the kind, tender man she knows he is in his heart.

 I agree she is far too modest to explicitly allude to sex, but she could be thinking that this was better than her honeymoon when she had been so scared.  Maybe she went to see Josh afraid of awkwardness, afraid he would be rough with her ( we have speculated here that he may have been-- or at least not tender).  So she might say to Amy or whomever, "It was not awkward at all.  It was the three days of my life."

Who knows.  But if she is being quoted accurately, the reference to three days implies satisfaction with the whole experience--not just that it was wonderful to see him again doing so well, etc.

2 hours ago, Nikedagain? said:

Refresh my memory, Where were they (Josh, Anna, M kids) staying when they first returned from DC?

They were in a house they had bought earlier in the year which they were fixing up as a "vacation home" for when they came to Arkansas on visits.  The house was sold to an Llc right before Josh went into rehab.  But since the Llc is Duggar owned and controlled ...

[EmCatlyn]

4 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Were they allowed to be alone together? Is Josh allowed off the campus to visit with family? I envisioned supervised visits like jail.

If he is at RU there are guest rooms for overnight visitors and there is some provision for the inmates to go off-campus with visitors all day Saturday. 

[MakeItSo]

trying to currently unthink the whole Smuggar and Anna make up sex scenario (thanks for that one, FJ  ) and I was just thinking about the whole...ok. *gathers thoughts* so this grown a$$ man has been away at Jesus Sleepaway Camp for months, has gotten used to a new routine like a kid at boarding school, and maybe one day he'll return....I wonder how he'll fare without that (seemingly) strict routine. Like I know for myself, when I would return from snowboard camp after a week or so, just to get back into the normal day to day life took me about two days...and I was there to have fun. Nobody exiled me there (I wish they did. I would live on the mountain with my board...never mind. Not the point). Smuggar hasn't been gone for a few days or even weeks. He's been there for months! I wonder what that does to an adult  human's psyche. Institution-like living...then back to Fundieland.