Lori Alexander - Still Not Learning A Thing, Part 3

[usmcmom]

I'm glad she's back to the Halloween issue because in her post on Sunday, October 11, she writes this:

What about being independent? Hmm, I couldn't find one single word about being independent.

...stating there is nothing in the Bible that says we should be independent.

(lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/10/should-we-be-strong-and-independent.html)

Yet in Halloween: The Original (Starring Lori Alexander) she insists that since it is not mentioned in the Bible, it's okay to celebrate it.

Which is it? If the Bible is silent on a subject, are we to interpret that as permission or forbiddance? :think: :think: I think Ken chimed in at the Halloween one to say that silence means each believer can let their conscience be their guide. Again, I'd like to ask, when he or Lori has ever given anybody the grace of following his/her own conscience when they disagree with him.

What we see with Halloween: The Sequel is Lori realizing she was out-Christianed by many MANY readers- most of them younger than she - and she is furiously trying to get back in the running. Bascially she's saying "Look, I'm as Christian as the rest of you, but *points at Ken with thumb* - this guy is WAAAAAY liberal, so what can I do?

[Florita]

In one of her deleted comments from the original Halloween post, she said that due to her health she won't be handing out candy this year.

Yes, she knows 3-weeks ahead of time she won't feel well enough to answer the door and give a 4-year old in an Elsa costume a fun-size Snickers. Ken is stuck buying the candy and passing it out if he wants to celebrate Halloween so damn badly.

Didn't she say once that she never allowed her children to have candy?

[Koala]

Yes, she knows 3-weeks ahead of time she won't feel well enough to answer the door and give a 4-year old in an Elsa costume a fun-size Snickers. Ken is stuck buying the candy and passing it out if he wants to celebrate Halloween so damn badly.

Didn't she say once that she never allowed her children to have candy?

My son, Steven, thought eating sugar was sinful while he was growing up. I admit it, I didn't like my children eating junk food AT ALL.

My son-in-law's father never allowed his children to eat sugar growing up. None of his children had cavities! A movie Fed Up just came out and explained how terrible sugar is for us. I read a book years ago called Sugar Blues which explained the detrimental affect sugar has on our health, therefore, I didn't want my children to eat that "poison!"

[usmcmom]

Can we talk about this for a minute? (Bolding mine)

Ken · 5 hours ago

That is an interesting and potentially wise concept Ruth as the scriptures do say, "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account" (Hebrews 13:17).

My question would be if your pastor is aware each time you are unsubmissive to your husband on non-essential issues like Halloween and in turn would he want you going against your husband's desire to have the kids dress up and playfully wander the neighborhood for candy, just because he gave a blistering sermon about the evils of Halloween.

I just want to know why Ken is the authority on what issues are "essential" and "non-essential" when it comes to the spiritual decisions of a household. I read the comments on Lori's first Halloween post. Most of them were very well written, with reasonable scripture references. These families feel very strongly about the issue of Halloween. For Ken to label it as "non-essential," is beyond arrogant. I think we see here the first rumblings of defeat, as we all know he resorts to labels when he cannot back up his position. We also have seen how he and Lori react when anybody dares to refer to their beloved submission scriptures as anything like "non-essential." He certainly is not giving this commenter the "grace to interpret as they see fit," when he uses derisive terms like this.

I just don't get how this is such a big deal, anyway. Can't Ken and Lori say 'This is how we've chosen to handle Halloween in our household...."? and let it go. Why do they insist on debating this for days?!? Clearly, many people feel differently than they do about the issue. That's no reason to resort to petty attacks.

I think Ken owes this reader an apology, but I won't hold my breath.

edited for riffles

[iheartchacos]

Delores Umbridge. Always the final word on any subject due to her connection to the head honcho.

The Holy Spirit speaks through this woman, y'all! Make haste to read her inspired words.

[Curious]

She's back on Halloween again. It was a given. She always makes a second post when she gets a lot of push back from her readers.

Lori:

Teacher Lori may not realize it, but what she just said was: "obey your husband if he tells you to get an abortion, commit murder, rob a bank, or watch porn, just as long as your don't take your kids trick or treating". :doh: (yes, I know that's not what she meant, but it's exactly what she said.

I read that quote like 4 times thinking I must be misreading it since I haven't been to sleep yet.

Officer: So you robbed a bank because your husband told you to?

Wife: Well my Godly Mentor said I had to obey him even if it was robbing a bank. I don't dress my kids up as cowboys and take them trick or treating though, so it's all good right?

Officer: You are under arrest

[2xx1xy1JD]

Today's post from Ken compares gays and pedophiles.

My rant is going to be preaching to the choir, but we need to do this and know, at the drop of a hat, why this argument is bullshit.

1. Ken suggests that non-Christians have no moral compass except to do what feels good. He mentions "be sure not to step on the rights of others", and talks about how society thinks gay sex is okay because it's between two consenting adults - but then somehow ignores that the "consenting adults" part is really, really important in contemporary Western sexual morality.

2. He also ignores the fact that he himself has written stuff that was pretty dismissive of the "consenting adults" part. While he claims that he isn't actually recommending that men forcibly rape their wives, he believes that men are simply entitled to sex with their wives, that wives are sinning if they ever say no, and that there is no such thing as marital rape. He also thought that everyone was being terribly unfair to Josh Duggar, and thought it was pretty normal for a 15 yr old to feel up his younger sisters (one of whom was only 5 at the time). If you think that a 15 yr old who attacks a 5 yr old and who has engaged in multiple sexual attacks needs intervention beyond some time with unqualified people from the church, you are mean and judgmental. Incest is something best handled within the family (a claim he made without irony).

3. As for the "born this way" part - Ken makes plenty of arguments based on so-call biological differences and needs. Men can't possibly care for babies because they aren't biologically equipped to do so. Men have more testosterone, so they are naturally more aggressive and have a far higher sex drive. Women need to stop expecting help with babies, accept that their husbands will be aggressive and may physically discipline the kids, and put out whenever the husband demands so he won't go crazy from lack of sex or look for sex elsewhere. Because biology.

4. Gay sex, practiced between two consenting adults who engage in safe sex, is not objectively harmful. Lesbian sex (which doesn't exist in Ken's world) has a much LOWER risk of HIV or unwanted pregnancy. Some of the riskiest sex takes place in contexts where it is forced underground. Anonymous sex in parks and bathhouses decreases when same-sex relationships gain acceptance.

[polecat]

Today's post from Ken compares gays and pedophiles.

My rant is going to be preaching to the choir, but we need to do this and know, at the drop of a hat, why this argument is bullshit.

1. Ken suggests that non-Christians have no moral compass except to do what feels good. He mentions "be sure not to step on the rights of others".

(snipped)

Ken, let me present to you the second most important commandment in the Bible:

"This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."" (Matt. 22:39)

Oh, and for good measure:

"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

(Matt. 7:12)

I could add lots more that say basically the same thing ... should I go on?

[laPapessaGiovanna]

When I hear/read comparisons between gays and paedophiles I actually start to :angry-banghead:

Thank you girls to take upon yourselves the trouble to answer in a sensible way.

[Hisey]

I do think we've misjudge Ken. He's experienced the type of suffering the rest of us can only imagine.

I miss my old toaster oven that worked for years so well, and mow these new ones are junk and can hardly stay on to toast more than a minute.

[polecat]

Delores Umbridge. Always the final word on any subject due to her connection to the head honcho.

The Holy Spirit speaks through this woman, y'all! Make haste to read her inspired words.

What an incredibly apt comparison.

[FundieFarmer]

If somebody comes up to you and says, "Your husband should...", quickly stop her and kindly tell her that you have no ability to convict or change your husband. You have chosen to love and accept him just the way he is and allow the Lord to convict and change him. Listening to others tell you what your husband "should be doing' will only lead to unmet expectations, dissatisfaction and unhappiness in your marriage.

What.

The.

Fuck.

[IrishCarrie]

I'm guessing that as a woman I probably shouldn't try and convict anyman really, right? They're always right and if they're not, then it's up to God to change their minds not me.

Which creates a bit of a problem for me because I just had an engineer here to fit a new modem and phone line and he wanted to put it in at Point A because it was easier for him. I very politely explained that Point B worked better for me and the increased level of difficulty for him was beside the point. He climbed into the attic, did what he had to and put it in Point B.

I hadn't consulted with the headship about any of this. He's asleep.

OH NO, I'M GOING TO HELL!!!!!!

[salex]

If somebody comes up to you and says, "Your husband should...", quickly stop her and kindly tell her that you have no ability to convict or change your husband. You have chosen to love and accept him just the way he is and allow the Lord to convict and change him. Listening to others tell you what your husband "should be doing' will only lead to unmet expectations, dissatisfaction and unhappiness in your marriage.

2 Things. Doesn't this go against many of her previous posts on how praying and being submissive will win/change your husband without a word? She has long misused/ misinterpreted that verse, but hasn't she promoted praying to change your husband? Is the wife of your husband's co-worker mentioned they had heard your husband had a habit that made the boss think he was incompetent, and he should stop doing whatever it was, you aren't even supposed mention it?

Secondly, I am so tired of what seems to be the theme in her marriage advice that women should have zero expectations about their husbands, but per both Lori and Ken, women are to change themselves in whatever way they are asked to meet their husband's expectations, with the possible exception of the woman getting a job outside the home.

Not to sound all Raquelly about it, but I had a mental list of deal breakers while I was dating--since I was young, it included not dating guys who had kids, were divorced (or married), but it also had some other expectations about some shared values (equality between the sexes, not racist, a certain level of intelligence/intellectual interest, ambitious, etc) My husband and I have our own list of deal breakers even now, and our expectations for one another are not that hard to meet because we picked wisely and because we both think the other deserves to be treated well, with love and respect. (again, we believe we each DESERVE this. Another word that has fallen into disfavor with more than one of the Fundies we follow.)

I am sad for any woman who would think that Lori offers an improvement for their life. How miserable must one be for Ken and Lori to look good?

[2xx1xy1JD]

The things is that SHE has no problem blogging about what husbands should and shouldn't do, when it suits her agenda.

lorialexander.blogspot.ca/2011/12/stay-at-home-dads.html#idc-cover

Apparently, it's not a problem for her to suggest that my husband was wrong to take parental leave with our oldest daughter, and that my BIL was wrong to stay home for a year while being a part-time university student and being available for their young children including my nephew on the autism spectrum, with whom he was doing therapy.

It's also not a problem for Ken to use her blog to say that this is an example of blurring gender lines which is a sign of the coming End Times.

[zebra #13]

There is something so profoundly sad about these two's attempts to "make alright" what it is they've managed to cobble together. It would have been so MUCH easier for Ken to find a pretty girl mildly interested in God, and very interested in Sex, and for Laurie to have learned to take care of herself, and stop pretending to care about anyone or anything other than herself. Instead, they've wasted their entire adult lives defending non-defensible positions, and dragging their kids and grands into the mess into the bargain.

[Koala]

Lori:

The world hates Christians since Satan is the prince of the power of the air.

:? Umm...okay. Except not really. I can't speak for "the world", but I'm an Atheist, and I've got lots of Christian friends.

There are only 2 comments at the moment...both from Lori and Ken.

Ken:

Amen woman! You teach it!

And I am so happy to be with one who lives out her faith daily :) .

Lori:

Thank you! There's no better way to live.

That's awkward. :shifty-kitty:

[Luvmyskinnyjeanz]

Lori:

:? Umm...okay. Except not really. I can't speak for "the world", but I'm an Atheist, and I've got lots of Christian friends.

There are only 2 comments at the moment...both from Lori and Ken.

Ken:

Lori:

That's awkward. :shifty-kitty:

wtf is the point of her lastest diatribe? And more importantly why do I keep subjecting myself to it? :think:

[salex]

Lori:

:? Umm...okay. Except not really. I can't speak for "the world", but I'm an Atheist, and I've got lots of Christian friends.

There are only 2 comments at the moment...both from Lori and Ken.

Ken:

Lori:

That's awkward. :shifty-kitty:

Ithink they doth protest too much. Aldo nice to know Ken has been reading here as that sounds like a "we are to happy, FJ!"

[Koala]

Today's post 

Whenever I have a chance to ask female doctors or other professional women, who are married with children, how their marriages are and how their children are doing, they tell me it is very difficult. I ask them if they have to work since their marriage and raising children is so very important and they quickly tell me under their breath, "We're working it out." 

So we are supposed to believe that:

1) Doctors and other professionals ALL tell her that their lives (marriages and children) are difficult?

I can hear it now.

Lori: "But enough about me doctor, tell me about your marriage.  It's okay- I'm a Godly Mentor, you know..."

Doctor: "Well, I was going to discuss your health, but now that you mention it, I would like to talk about my marriage.  It's....difficult.  I would have never gone to medical school if I'd had a Godly older woman like you in my life."

Lori: "Well as soon as you're done taking care of me, I want to admonish you to go home and be a help meet to your husband!" 

Doctor: **quickly under breath** "Well, I wasn't going to tell anyone, but we're working it out for me to leave my career and be a keeper at home."

Right.  Does she honestly think that people will believe that she gets this pat response from all doctors and professionals upon prying into their personal lives??  Good lord, it's like a story a child would cook up. "I asked everyone!  They ALL agree with me!"

[lilwriter85]

Today's post 

Whenever I have a chance to ask female doctors or other professional women, who are married with children, how their marriages are and how their children are doing, they tell me it is very difficult. I ask them if they have to work since their marriage and raising children is so very important and they quickly tell me under their breath, "We're working it out." 

So we are supposed to believe that:

1) Doctors and other professionals ALL tell her that their lives (marriages and children) are difficult?

I can hear it now.

Lori: "But enough about me doctor, tell me about your marriage.  It's okay- I'm a Godly Mentor, you know..."

Doctor: "Well, I was going to discuss your health, but now that you mention it, I would like to talk about my marriage.  It's....difficult.  I would have never gone to medical school if I'd had a Godly older woman like you in my life."

Lori: "Well as soon as you're done taking care of me, I want to admonish you to go home and be a help meet to your husband!" 

Doctor: **quickly under breath** "Well, I wasn't going to tell anyone, but we're working it out for me to leave my career and be a keeper at home."

Right.  Does she honestly think that people will believe that she gets this pat response from all doctors and professionals upon prying into their personal lives??  Good lord, it's like a story a child would cook up. "I asked everyone!  They ALL agree with me!"

Yeah, I'm not buying that many doctors are sharing deep details about personal lives with Lori.

 

Lori, Ken, and the fangirls are also trashing Carrie Underwood in the comments section. Underwood returned to touring and we all know Lori gets mad when female celebs work.

[Koala]

I think most men should have on their phone the words WARNING when they know it is their wives' time of month!

 I'm just going to leave this here...

[desertvixen]

All I can do is wonder if Ken still gets his 10 minutes or if that's a no-no...

[Koala]

*sigh* She just linked an old post on Facebook:

Apply For An MRS. Degree!

Remember folks, she used (or as she would say, "use" ) to be a teacher. 

[Loveday]

Wait for it. Lori's next book "study" is going to be on "Created To Be His Doormat Helpmeet."

From her post:

Since this is the book I have used to mentor many women, I thought it was time I went through it with all of you. Even if you don't have the book, I hope you will learn a lot from what Debi wrote. The newer editions have added chapters and she has softened some of her earlier language. She listened to the critics and changed some things women found offensive. Since I have the original book, I won't mention some of the offensive things unless I don't realize they are some of the things that have been removed!