Josh Duggar, Admitted Child Molester - Part 9

[socalrules]

The Duggars treat porn like it's worst than child molestation. It's ridiculous.

Well porn involves at least two consenting adults, therefore it must be wrong.

[Toothfairy]

The Duggars treat porn like it's worst than child molestation. It's ridiculous.

I don't even understand how these fools come up with these shitty rules. Porn is bad but molesting young girls isn't? If Josh's sin was porn, they would probably still have a tv show. With Josh AND JimChelle Talking About Jesus and how jesus forgives. How evil porn can be. But molesting children isn't forgiveable to society. the Duggars see no problem with it. Duggar logic 101.

[goldfishgoddess]

Look who's coming out from under his rock... Josh Duggar, admitted child molester...

https://instagram.com/p/5k2j-tOWFw/

[KittenMitten]

Look who's coming out from under his rock... Josh Duggar, admitted child molester...

https://instagram.com/p/5k2j-tOWFw/

Lots of likes, I no like.

The fighting comments are funny.

I wonder what he is thinking and feeling right now.

[FloraKitty35]

Lots of likes, I no like.

The fighting comments are funny.

I wonder what he is thinking and feeling right now.

I'd have liked it better if Michael had dropped his bowling ball on Smuggar's foot and the moment was on Instagram.

[DeFrauder]

Lots of likes, I no like.

The fighting comments are funny.

I wonder what he is thinking and feeling right now.

I suspect that Josh, as someone who has been doted on and pampered all his life, but is suddenly getting this extreme negative attention, is feeling pretty tortured at the moment.

It is believed that narcissistic people suffer from low self esteem. If people want Josh punished, he is certainly getting it.

I just do not understand why he continues to post on social media.

[halcionne]

Lots of likes, I no like.

The fighting comments are funny.

I wonder what he is thinking and feeling right now.

"Gah Jessa's pretzel cheesecake got 3 times as many likes. :x But I got three times more than Amy's weekend I'm in lurve spam (unless you add them together)." *Wrings hands*

[DeFrauder]

She made a cheesecake from pretzels? PRETZELS? That sounds NOT delicious.

[DeFrauder]

https://instagram.com/p/24p7rmOWJC/?taken-by=joshduggar

This one reminds me of that photobomb meme:

[DarkAnts]

It is ironic that they kept this video on their website.

http://youtu.be/TCSUKIhjevo

[Hisey]

Look who's coming out from under his rock... Josh Duggar, admitted child molester...

https://instagram.com/p/5k2j-tOWFw/

Whoa, this is so weird.

Jessa and Jill were children but Josh was not? That's the same kind of mind-twist the Duggars engage in.

I know people who were abused sexually as children. To imply there is a no difference between "inappropriate touching" and more invasive molestation is to really insult people who have experienced the second.

[doggie]

She made a cheesecake from pretzels? PRETZELS? That sounds NOT delicious.

ya that's what I thought though I think the post is also about showing off her pregnancy

[DeFrauder]

Whoa, this is so weird.

Jessa and Jill were children but Josh was not? That's the same kind of mind-twist the Duggars engage in.

I know people who were abused sexually as children. To imply there is a no difference between "inappropriate touching" and more invasive molestation is to really insult people who have experienced the second.

You have GOT to be kidding.

Yes, we have all heard. What Josh did was "nothing". It was very minor, inappropriate touching, for just a few seconds. The girls were asleep so they were not even aware. Josh was a kid, too. They were just playing Dr. The sexual abuse in their friend's families is MUCH worse. Josh was just a little too curious about girls.

YES, I am being sarcastic. You are being really insulting to people who KNOW that it is NOT OK to touch children.

[DeFrauder]

I was thinking (burning smell):

The Duggars made a big deal out of how Josh had to pay for his own counselling like it was part of his punishment.

So I was thinking--how could he possibly for it himself? What money did he have? If he paid for it with pay from some teenage job he did, how much counselling could he have possible received?

Then I thought--if this was the counselling that was demanded by CPS, do they make people pay for their own treatment? Somehow I don't think they do.

I wonder if the counselling that Josh paid for was an ATI program?

[2manyKidzzz]

It was mild, inappropriate touching, i.e., "not that bad", but.......he was so bad he had to pay for it himself. THEY did not get him the help he needed and then they made him pay for it when it finally happened. They were sending a mixed message but they were too stupid to see that that was what it was.

[Mama Mia]

I was thinking (burning smell):

The Duggars made a big deal out of how Josh had to pay for his own counselling like it was part of his punishment.

So I was thinking--how could he possibly for it himself? What money did he have? If he paid for it with pay from some teenage job he did, how much counselling could he have possible received?

Then I thought--if this was the counselling that was demanded by CPS, do they make people pay for their own treatment? Somehow I don't think they do.

I wonder if the counselling that Josh paid for was an ATI program?

I don't understand why on earth anyone would find fault with his parents having Josh pay for the counseling himself. That's a pretty common response in order for the teen to feel more of the responsibility for what he has done. A teen age job, or a job his parents paid him for, would cover the cost of counseling. I'm sure he wasn't going every day. But for say, weekly sessions, a part- time job would cover the cost. I don't see how CPS could require payment from one source or another, but I could see a social worker strongly encouraging it.

As to the other comment regarding degrees of awfulness -- of course there is a difference in degrees of abuse, including sexual abuse. It isn't saying more minor forms are okay to acknowledge that. You can still know that what Josh did was horrible, while realizing that it isn't AS awful as other things.

Just like getting into an altercation with someone and shoving them is wrong -- but, no, it really isn't the same as beating the shit out of them. It just isn't.

[FundieFarmer]

I don't see anything wrong with it, but I do think there's a possibility he didn't pay for them in the traditional sense. It could've been an an arrangement where JB paid for them out-of-pocket, and Josh became an indentured servant until the cost was worked off.

[Mama Mia]

I don't see anything wrong with it, but I do think there's a possibility he didn't pay for them in the traditional sense. It could've been an an arrangement where JB paid for them out-of-pocket, and Josh became an indentured servant until the cost was worked off.

Quite possibly. Or worked for a friend of the family and then paid it back to his parents. I just can't see how anyone could find fault with that? It obviously makes it more " real" for the offender if they are having to work for the payment.

As a social worker I certainly would have encouraged it. Where it can become a problem is where the criminal justice system might require payment for counseling that the offender simply doesn't have, so goes to jail instead of getting help. That makes no sense for anyone. Now that I think of it, iirc , in my area mandated counseling for adult domestic violence and sexual assault did require a fairly hefty charge to the offender. Unlike substance abuse treatment, even when criminal actions were the reason for the mandated treatment. Counseling and treatment for that was generally subsidized.

[Hisey]

You have GOT to be kidding.

Yes, we have all heard. What Josh did was "nothing". It was very minor, inappropriate touching, for just a few seconds. The girls were asleep so they were not even aware. Josh was a kid, too. They were just playing Dr. The sexual abuse in their friend's families is MUCH worse. Josh was just a little too curious about girls.

YES, I am being sarcastic. You are being really insulting to people who KNOW that it is NOT OK to touch children.

You can count me in that group. I certainly know that. In fact, I have counseled people who have been victimized in that way, so trust me, I know.

I also know there is a difference between touching and rape. And there's a difference between a 15 year old and an adult.

I don't hate the Duggars enough to ignore that difference, that's all.

I sometimes wonder if there would have been such an outpouring of hate and distortion if it were Jana who did the inappropriate touching. There seems to be something about taking down a male patriarch (or patriarch-in-training) that causes people to distort and exagerate.

I don't need to make stuff up in order to know what Josh did was wrong.

[Srilaura]

We are more than likely erring on the side of caution.

Where is the distortion and exaggeration?

There's also a difference in over the clothes touching and skin touching.

[DeFrauder]

I don't understand why on earth anyone would find fault with his parents having Josh pay for the counseling himself. That's a pretty common response in order for the teen to feel more of the responsibility for what he has done. A teen age job, or a job his parents paid him for, would cover the cost of counseling. I'm sure he wasn't going every day. But for say, weekly sessions, a part- time job would cover the cost. I don't see how CPS could require payment from one source or another, but I could see a social worker strongly encouraging it.

As to the other comment regarding degrees of awfulness -- of course there is a difference in degrees of abuse, including sexual abuse. It isn't saying more minor forms are okay to acknowledge that. You can still know that what Josh did was horrible, while realizing that it isn't AS awful as other things.

Just like getting into an altercation with someone and shoving them is wrong -- but, no, it really isn't the same as beating the shit out of them. It just isn't.

It wasn't a criticism of JB and Michelle making him pay.

It was an observation that "Josh paying for his own therapy" is kind of fishy sounding. As discussed in another thread, there are policies in place that dictate what type of counselling/treatment is acceptable to the authorities.

pineyridge.net/admissions/payment-insurance

Piney Ridge provides leading treatment for adolescents and children between the ages of 7-17 suffering with sexual behavioral issues & mood disorders. When you choose one of our programs, our entire team works with you to assure you will receive the best possible care and treatment. We are currently enrolled in the Arkansas and Oklahoma Medicaid programs and can accept that for payment. Contact us today to find our more.

It sounds like the treatment is normally covered by one's health insurance or by medicaid. There is no "cost".

WE know that Josh didn't go to a place like Piney Ridge (although he should have). I find it reprehensible that the Duggars claim that a place like Piney Ridge is a finishing school for offenders.

It appears that the Duggars convinced the authorities that Josh be allowed to see a therapist of their choosing rather than expose him to people that specialize in treating teens who have similar problems to him.

Best case scenario is that Josh saw someone like this guy:

https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/ ... esultsName

I founded The Relationship Center to be a place where families and individuals could find help that is both clinically sharp and true to the Bible. My conviction is that this approach we call integrative therapy brings together the very best insights clinical research has produced and the timeless principles of Scripture that have the power to transform lives.Intent on bringing these two disciplines together in more than a superficial way, I completed an undergraduate in Biblical Languages (consisting of 3 years of Greek and 2 years of Hebrew) and a Masters in Counseling.

My theological studies equipped me to deeply understand the Bible, it's principles, and it's message. My studies in counseling taught me how to understand people and the challenges they face in comprehensive way.

In the therapy room I rely on the Holy Spirit to help me integrate the two areas of study together in a way that brings about healing and growth for the individuals, couples, and families I serve.

This guy charges 160 bucks an hour, but is a "licensed counselor".

bah--Im dumbfounded.

[sawasdee]

I am not from the US, so do not know therapy prices. Is $160 an hour high/average/low?

[batuityma]

It sounds like the treatment is normally covered by one's health insurance or by medicaid. There is no "cost".

Just because a provider takes insurance doesn't mean the client would pay no out-of-pocket costs for therapy. IIRC, the Duggars have said they do have heath insurance but they have a very high deductible plan. In that case, even if the therapy was "covered" by their insurance plan, they would likely need to pay the therapy fees out-of-pocket until that deductible was met. My impression was that high deductible = well into the thousands. (Our family's deductible is $6,000/year and I would consider that only a moderately high deductible plan. I would guess the Duggar's plan is higher.)

I am not from the US, so do not know therapy prices. Is $160 an hour high/average/low?

It depends a lot on where you live and what type of credentials the therapist has. In my area $160/hour would be low to average.

[2manyKidzzz]

If Josh had been sent to therapy at the outset, when he was first discovered, at 14, he should not have had to pay, as he clearly had a real need for the therapy and his parent should have paid. If he was finally sent when much older, I still think his parents should have paid since they didn't send him before because they are misguided religious zealots. He has/had a true problem and it should have been treated as such. to blame him by making him pay because they delayed the timing of the therapy is not something I personally agree with, because the whole awful mess is JB and M'Chelle's doing, with the whole millions of kids theme and Gothard.

[grandmadugger]

I heard something this morning that made me think about this case. A guy said, "If man screws up with the judgement of the crime God will correct it." I :D thinking this is Josh's judgement from God. That He was tired of the Duggars using His name for their own glory so he said "Ha ha ha I'm taking it all away" I know they think it's the devil because they don't feel like Josh wasn't judged fairly all those years ago.