Josiah Duggar Courting - Part 2

[ClaraOswin]

Okay when I made the comment about the Duggar style dress, I wasn't referring to the Maxi skirts specifically. I was referring to the T-shirt/high neckline underneath them like the one Marj was wearing in the last picture we saw of her. The unnecessary layering that's purpose only service as "look, I'm more modest than you" That's what I'm referring to.

I always wear t-shirts with a higher neckline. I am not fundie at all. But it's how I've always felt comfortable. I don't like bending down and showing my bra off to the world...which has always been the problem for me with lower cut shirts. Even things that aren't low, per se. It's just because of the cut of the shirt and my body type. So I pretty much wear only crew-neck t-shirts all the time. When I was pregnant, all of the maternity shirts were too low for me and I had to layer with a tank top. I absolutely hated it and I can't imagine doing that all the time. Thankfully it's fairly easy to find regular t-shirts with a high enough neck for me.

I always think it's weird when the shirt underneath that they have on only adds about a centimeter of fabric. What is the point of that?

[HereticHick]

I have on the other hand have heard that the general cut for clothes in the US is horrendous, especially concerning jeans :lol:

Stereotype much??

I live in downtown Washington DC, and the nearest clothing stores to my apartment are H&M and Zara.

Last I checked, both are non-US chains, and both chains are happy to sell you maxi skirts and dresses right this very minute.

I will be the first to admit that there are hundreds of thousands of Americans (many of them obese) who are currently wearing horrendous clothes.

But I am not going to pretend that Europe is without its fashion violations.

[morri]

went to the playground in a lively part of the city and i didnt see a single skirt. jeans , chinos, wide cut cottony pants( muslims) but not a single skirt in about 500 people i have passed.

[snarkykitty]

There are TONS of other retinoids (both OTC and prescription) that are way gentler than Accutane, like Retin-A (tretinoin), and Differin (adapalene). Epiduo works well too. And they're all topical! :dance:

I think some doctors shy away from antibiotics for acne because of antibiotic resistance.

Okay, I'm done with my pharmacy rant *runs back to lurking prayer closet*

If the particular bacteria strain shows antibiotic susceptibility in a patient, it usually takes overuse or underuse (failing to take it for the prescribed amount of time) for that strain to become resistant.

Doctors can perform a bacterial culture when a patient is on an antibiotic long-term to make sure that it continues to work for that patient/infection.

[lascuba]

The Duggars went from prairie dresses to "modest modern." They're the ones following trends. Lucky for them max dresses/skirt have been in for a few years now, so they only look ridiculous and out of place when they do that weird layering with their tops.

There are TONS of other retinoids (both OTC and prescription) that are way gentler than Accutane, like Retin-A (tretinoin), and Differin (adapalene). Epiduo works well too. And they're all topical! :dance:

I think some doctors shy away from antibiotics for acne because of antibiotic resistance.

Okay, I'm done with my pharmacy rant *runs back to lurking prayer closet*

It's been years since I've been on prescription acne meds so I don't know about current stuff, but one major advantage Accutane has over topicals is that you take it for a certain amount of time (6 months for me), and for a lot of people, that's it, no more acne for at least several years or much less severe acne. Retin-A and Differin were both effective while I was using them, but just a few months after stopping I'd start breaking out again.

[goldfishgoddess]

Lots of people from various locations have pointed out the errors of your thought process - maybe it's time to just drop it, huh?

Haha it's a really really slow day for Duggar news, and then this. Well, honestly there are people here who have posted they don't see the skirts, and people who have posted that they do.

I'm not going to pull a Jim Bob Duggar and lie that I've seen them when I haven't.

I'm not criticizing American dress.. I think you need to read back in the thread and see that someone asked me to post what people like to wear in Europe. And I was in London recently and have been back in UK for three weeks and not seen one maxi skirt, even at the airports in New York, New Jersey and London.

Hey let's get back to acne medicine. Maybe we can all agree on that topic.

[HereticHick]

Hey, I'm just an ignorant colonial, but isn't Topshop a British chain? :?

http://www.topshop.com/en/tsuk/category ... es-3104718

[ClaraOswin]

I always wear t-shirts with a higher neckline. I am not fundie at all. But it's how I've always felt comfortable. I don't like bending down and showing my bra off to the world...which has always been the problem for me with lower cut shirts. Even things that aren't low, per se. It's just because of the cut of the shirt and my body type. So I pretty much wear only crew-neck t-shirts all the time. When I was pregnant, all of the maternity shirts were too low for me and I had to layer with a tank top. I absolutely hated it and I can't imagine doing that all the time. Thankfully it's fairly easy to find regular t-shirts with a high enough neck for me.

I always think it's weird when the shirt underneath that they have on only adds about a centimeter of fabric. What is the point of that?

Okay...I take back my comment in bold. I went back to look at my pregnancy photos (2 years ago) and a lot of my layered shirts didn't necessarily add any coverage. But the tank top underneath was tighter than the shirt so if I bent over, I didn't have to worry about it. So maybe that's the reason the Duggars layer even when it doesn't add much up top.

[goldfishgoddess]

Hey, I'm just an ignorant colonial, but isn't Topshop a British chain? :?

http://www.topshop.com/en/tsuk/category ... es-3104718

What I'm seeing in that link is long dresses for evening dress up/ beach wear. I don't think long dresses have ever gone out of style for that.

Lots of those dresses are way too sexy for Duggars to consider without plopping a tee shirt under.

When you see the Duggar women going around in public, there is definitely a fundie vibe about them. M'Chelle often wearing a long denim skirt with those super sensible shoes, and then several of the others in long maxi tubes with sandals. Long hair with sprayed waves, and then Michelle's signature Crunchy Mullet. Just what Jesus wants, I think.

[goldfishgoddess]

Okay...I take back my comment in bold. I went back to look at my pregnancy photos (2 years ago) and a lot of my layered shirts didn't necessarily add any coverage. But the tank top underneath was tighter than the shirt so if I bent over, I didn't have to worry about it. So maybe that's the reason the Duggars layer even when it doesn't add much up top.

Agree.. they don't want to bend over and show anything spilling out of their cups.

[Alicja]

If the particular bacteria strain shows antibiotic susceptibility in a patient, it usually takes overuse or underuse (failing to take it for the prescribed amount of time) for that strain to become resistant.

Doctors can perform a bacterial culture when a patient is on an antibiotic long-term to make sure that it continues to work for that patient/infection.

That would make sense.

[Alicja]

It's been years since I've been on prescription acne meds so I don't know about current stuff, but one major advantage Accutane has over topicals is that you take it for a certain amount of time (6 months for me), and for a lot of people, that's it, no more acne for at least several years or much less severe acne. Retin-A and Differin were both effective while I was using them, but just a few months after stopping I'd start breaking out again.

Accutane can definitely work wonders. I like topical medications just because they're very easy to use, plus I already take enough pills :lol:

I've been looking into Retin-A and Differin because Epiduo is really expensive and the patent doesn't run out until 2025 or something.

[Handmaiden of Dog]

Reporting from Raleigh: No maxis to be seen in this horrible, humid weather. I drive past several colleges (Peace, Meredith, NC State) and it is not a look that has caught on here.

But I do have a quibble with goldfish:

Seems like we've touched a nerve here with the maxi dresses. I remember a similar trend in the 1970's on the heels of a show called "Little House on the Prairie." Long dresses with fussy smocked tops were worn, and the fad lasted until everyone who wore one realized they looked a lot like nightgowns.

Nope. I wore nightgown/grannie dresses in the 70's and it had nothing to do with LHOTP. It was a well known hippy look that started in London when girls raided the second hand shops for vintage Victorian nightgowns and underskirts to wear as dresses. And yes, I did frequently did look like I was wearing a nightgown to high school! I think the influence was more Vampire Soft Porn than little farm girl.

[goldfishgoddess]

Nope. I wore nightgown/grannie dresses in the 70's and it had nothing to do with LHOTP. It was a well known hippy look that started in London when girls raided the second hand shops for vintage Victorian nightgowns and underskirts to wear as dresses. And yes, I did frequently did look like I was wearing a nightgown to high school! I think the influence was more Vampire Soft Porn than little farm girl.

Handmaiden, I think we're both right. There were two fads-- the prairie and peasant dresses. Both were sort of nightgowny, but the peasant dress is I think how it was termed in the US for the vintage Gunne Sax type look you are describing.

I remember trying on one of the prairie dresses and being absolutely lost in the print, lace edging, and ruffle. The peasant dresses were definitely more flattering to everyone. Sleeker, softer colors, etc. I sewed a few of them to go out to dances in high school.

I like your description of them as Vampire Soft Porn. Can't wait for your description of "earth shoes."

[hancat]

I have on the other hand have heard that the general cut for clothes in the US is horrendous, especially concerning jeans :lol:

I rarely stick up for the US in anything (except women's soccer!), but want to point out that it's a pretty undisputed fact that Los Angeles is the fashion capital for the denim industry - it was born here and leading brands are still based here and some of them even made here. End rant :D

There are huge disparities in US fashion, more so than in other countries. I've lived in several different regions of the US and in Europe, and in my experience, big US cities have more similarities in fashion to global cities than they do the rest of the US. I'm a long-time online shopper and it's only in recent years that retailers have offered affordable international shipping, and I've noticed major blending of global style since then as everything becomes more accessible to everyone. Yet somehow, the Midwest/South of the US (I sincerely love you all, but you are a different world) feels more foreign to me than London/Sydney/Barcelona based on fashion and trends, and remain on a different page style-wise. The international high-fashion brands have made it to the big cities here, but not even close to every state or region. I see all the input from others Americans here and I think it just really depends on where you live. This country is HUGE and reeeeally different from state to state - especially when you compare the coasts (read: more diversity and more foreigners) with the middle.

With all of that being said - the maxi skirt/dress trend is definitely a thing, but I think the difference is the materials and the styling. Wearing a long dress in a breezy fabric with your shoulders showing looks a lot more normal than a maxi skirt with frumpy button up short sleeve shirt WITH another t-shirt underneath for *modesty* - the Duggar uniform would stand out as fundie even in the tiny cow town I grew up in. The Duggar girls have done an impressive job of trying to modernize their dress while sticking to their standards - but the fact that they travel in packs doesn't help. If you see a group of girls, and a few of them are in maxi skirts, you wouldn't think much of it. When you see 7 of them in slight variations of the same outfit, it looks more like a uniform (especially the long denim skirts - just no).

Sorry for all the words. I've been fascinated by clothing/ways of dressing my whole life and love observing these things. I also work from home and Friday afternoons involve wine. 8-)

[halcionne]

Stereotype much??

I live in downtown Washington DC, and the nearest clothing stores to my apartment are H&M and Zara.

Last I checked, both are non-US chains, and both chains are happy to sell you maxi skirts and dresses right this very minute.

I will be the first to admit that there are hundreds of thousands of Americans (many of them obese) who are currently wearing horrendous clothes.

But I am not going to pretend that Europe is without its fashion violations.

Why did you insert obesity into this comment? Plenty of people have bad taste in fashion, regardless of size. If there's a shortage of stylish fat people, have you considered that they have fewer clothing options to choose from?

Maxi skirts and dresses are big in the SF bay area, fwiw.

[HereticHick]

Why did you insert obesity into this comment? Plenty of people have bad taste in fashion, regardless of size. If there's a shortage of stylish fat people, have you considered that they have fewer clothing options to choose from?

Maxi skirts and dresses are big in the SF bay area, fwiw.

The United States has higher levels of obesity than most European, and all Asian, countries: http://www.worldobesity.org/aboutobesit ... p-obesity/

Our obesity levels are a public health crisis, and are nothing for the US to be proud of, and it is one of the major reasons that Europeans and Asians find Americans unfashionable (even if they don't say it out loud). If that is fat-shaming on my part, so be it.

[halcionne]

The United States has higher levels of obesity than most European, and all Asian, countries: http://www.worldobesity.org/aboutobesit ... p-obesity/

Our obesity levels are a public health crisis, and are nothing for the US to be proud of, and it is one of the major reasons that Europeans and Asians find Americans unfashionable (even if they don't say it out loud). If that is fat-shaming on my part, so be it.

It is.

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Haha it's a really really slow day for Duggar news, and then this. Well, honestly there are people here who have posted they don't see the skirts, and people who have posted that they do.

I'm not going to pull a Jim Bob Duggar and lie that I've seen them when I haven't.

I'm not criticizing American dress.. I think you need to read back in the thread and see that someone asked me to post what people like to wear in Europe. And I was in London recently and have been back in UK for three weeks and not seen one maxi skirt, even at the airports in New York, New Jersey and London.

Hey let's get back to acne medicine. Maybe we can all agree on that topic.

I think you need to see that I pointed out from the first that you are offering a very skewed view. I know what you were asked. Please don't tell me to "read back" as if I don't know what I am talking about.

Here's a video of the Cambridges leaving the christening. (Since, you know, that was your first post of "European attire.") As I suggested - look at the people in the paddock as they walk past.

youtube.com/watch?v=-RRVUUW4w2o

At about 32 seconds - see that woman with the turquoise shirt, long skirt, and shrug? Oh noes - it could be a fundy!!! I'm not going to look further, it's too hard with my eyes still rolling out of my head.

About maxis:

shop.nordstrom.com/s/caslon-convertible-maxi-skirt-regular-petite/4084440?origin=category-personalizedsort&contextualcategoryid=0&fashionColor=&resultback=434

jcpenney.com/alyx-print-maxi-skirt-with-belt/prod.jump?ppId=pp5005520840&catId=cat100250097&&_dyncharset=UTF-8&colorizedImg=DP0601201517020104M.tif

oldnavy.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=173887052&vid=1&locale=en_US&kwid=1&sem=false&sdkw=womens-jersey-side-slit-maxi-skirts-P173887&sdReferer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldnavy.com%2Fproducts%2Fmaxi-skirts.jsp

amazon.com/s/ref=lp_11535814011_ex_n_2?rh=n%3A7141123011%2Cn%3A11535814011%2Cn%3A2346727011&bbn=11535814011&ie=UTF8&qid=1436568426

[blessalessi]

This.

:lol: :lol:

You're kidding, right?

Because that's not what people were wearing last time I was around the Pembrokeshire coast. :lol: :mrgreen:

You llive in an area of outstanding national beauty but the economy is struggling, average wages are lower than the national average, and your local shopping centre is full of charity shops and lower-end fashion outlets.

http://www.wheretoinpembrokeshire.co.uk ... entre.html

And there is nothing at all wrong with that. Just like there is nothing wrong with the clothes Marjorie or the Duggars wear. :angry-banghead:

But there is EVERYTHING wrong with snobbery and pretension, IMHBCO. :whistle:

[Imagine20]

Retin-A worked wonders for me!

[goldfishgoddess]

You never even read back in the thread. Someone asked what the height of fashion was in Europe. Right now it's the Duchess and her styling of her daughter's christening. So I said THIS (and insert photo).

Nobody's wearing maxi skirts in Pembrokeshire. And several others have said there have been no sightings in their area in the US and Germany.

I think maxi skirts are a regional trend depending on weather. Half the US seems to be in drought, and half is flooding. Who the hell wants to wear a long skirt when it's humid, rainy and likely you'll be dragging a wet rag around your ankles into your car and house?

Once again, in the past six weeks I was in New York, New Jersey, all across the Midwest and back, then to London and through UK on the streets and in airports. I never once saw a maxi skirt.

IF i saw a group of girls in maxi skirts, I'd figure they were fundies for sure.

Maxi skirt sighting in Ohio:

[blessalessi]

Of course I read the thread, that's how I noticed you were talking bollocks. :lol:

Popular UK fashion chain for young women, with new fashion clothes in every week. Several branches in Pembs.

http://m.newlook.com/shop/womens/_/N-cm ... filtered=1

Maxi dresses are very much in.

[FoxyMoxie]

Well this is a bizarre thread. All the UK fashion chains are FULL of maxi skirts and dresses. I bought a few just the other week (Primark - I bought three styles out of a selection of around 15 styles available). There are going to be people wearing them in Pembrokeshire, soz. Maxi skirts and dresses always come into fashion around summer, I don't get the huge fuss? They're comfy and low-maintenance, of course people are going to wear them. Also lol the Duchess is super frumpy and dresses too old for her age because as a royal she has to dress conservatively, hardly the height of fashion.

Also I certainly don't think Americans are unfashionable as a nation, they're just people who are going to be as fashionable or unfashionable as elsewhere. I would definitely not think Americans are unfashionable because they're obese, what an awful thing to think. Fat people can be super stylish, eg Tess Holliday.

[lostfemme]

The United States has higher levels of obesity than most European, and all Asian, countries: http://www.worldobesity.org/aboutobesit ... p-obesity/

Our obesity levels are a public health crisis, and are nothing for the US to be proud of, and it is one of the major reasons that Europeans and Asians find Americans unfashionable (even if they don't say it out loud). If that is fat-shaming on my part, so be it.

It really is astounding to come back to the USA and right there in the airport one sees so much obesity that simply doesn't exist in other places. We are so addicted to our sugary pre-packaged easy food it's literally killing us. The only places with comparable levels of obesity are in the Middle East.