Josiah Duggar Courting - Part 2

[ClaraOswin]

Is a promise ring the same thing as a purity ring? When I was a kid, a promise ring was a pre-engagement ring, but, in that culture, it might mean a promise to repress normal human desires.

Oops! I meant purity ring. That's the one where the parents give the kid a ring that they wear until they are engaged, right?

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Thats just an old picture in a different angle. See?

instagram.com/p/26kYzduOla/?taken-by=jingernicoleduggar

Good catch. Strange of her to post an old pic like that, especially since it's so boring.

[Amanda7980]

Sigh....so nice to know that because I am fat I can't be stylish. Might as well wear sweats and stay inside so as not to offend anyone. Trust me, no one actually likes to be fat (at least that I know). And I'm not a lazy person who sits around eating bon-bons and doughnuts all day. I walk, kayak, snorkel, hang out at the beach (I live in NW Florida). Sorry, I just get tired of feeling like people look at me and make assumptions.

Also, maxi dresses are popular where I am as well. Not quite as much now since it's in the 90's now, but they were in the spring and will be again in the fall.

[lostfemme]

Sigh....so nice to know that because I am fat I can't be stylish. Might as well wear sweats and stay inside so as not to offend anyone. Trust me, no one actually likes to be fat (at least that I know). And I'm not a lazy person who sits around eating bon-bons and doughnuts all day. I walk, kayak, snorkel, hang out at the beach (I live in NW Florida). Sorry, I just get tired of feeling like people look at me and make assumptions.

Also, maxi dresses are popular where I am as well. Not quite as much now since it's in the 90's now, but they were in the spring and will be again in the fall.

My neighbor up the street probably weighs 70 pounds more than I do (and I'm not small) and she knows how to wear some clothing! I'm more hobo chic, but she is pure glamour, even when she dresses down.

There is something about the US lifestyle that makes us fat. It's insane, but when I live overseas I lose 30 pounds almost by magic. I'm not watching TV. I'm biking constantly or traipsing up 4 floors of stairs or eating healthier food, I don't know if that's it but something is wrong with how we live and eat in the USA. I've tried to replicate the results here in the US and simply can't, even with the gym, even with cooking healthy foods at home. So I get your drift. Something is still very wrong here. Why does it take exercising and preparing food for hours and hours every day, in the US, to actually lose any weight at all? How can the French and the Germans eat their high caloric foods and not work out obsessively and remain thin?

My latest theory is there is the US diet destroys healthy gut bacteria that helps us digest food. We feed our plants and animals stimulants and hormones and antibiotics to make them bigger and we humans suffer those consequences when we eat them. Anyway, it's just a theory.

[Brienna]

Yup! Things I don't miss since leaving the Netherlands: Albert Heijn and white leggings! http://stuffdutchpeoplelike.com/2013/06 ... e-legging/

Anyway, I am European, not fundie, and live in jersey skirts and Birkenstocks. Wouldn't be caught dead in those benefit scroungers' Royals' outfits... :shrug:

Well, I do wear a white legging under my white maxi dress (any other colour shows)

I'm confirmed Dutch then :lol:

Just adding: I'm in the UK right now on vacation, just bought myself a maxi dress the other day and I see plenty of women wearing them as well ;)

[FoxyMoxie]

Skin colour or strangely enough red leggings won't show under white - white shines through white clothing. It's why people wear skin colour bras under white shirts, white shows. That said, I am not Dutch but can't see the issue with white leggings! Surely they're cooler in summer than black leggings?

But then I'm fat and wear white and horizontal stripes and everything, omg noes.

[grandmadugger]

To the ass up thread who went on about "OMG NO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM IT'S ALL ABOUT THEIR HEALTH" News flash fat doesn't equal unhealthy, just like skinny doesn't equal healthy. You can't look at someone a figure out their health. Here's another news flash for you not everyone who puts a little tick in the obese chart is fat either. I put a tick in the morbidly obese chart. I have a body fat percentage of 18%, 15% is required to keep hormonal levels correct since I'm female, so I have just 3% more fat than needed to keep female hormones and I'm 3% less than average. When I went to see a specialist and got that piece of paper that said that, I went to my GP, he laughed told me not to worry. WHY? Because with 0% body fat I would still be overweight.

Love yourself, eat good food, do an activity that makes you happy, but most importantly love yourself. Your size doesn't make you unworthy or more worthy of anything. You are valuable and deserve love and respect no matter if you wear a size 0 or a size 28 or any size in between or above that. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[eandre31]

Just stopped by to add that I live in Illinois (suburbs of Chicago) and maxi skirts are definitely in style right now. Every clothing store I go to has racks of them and many of my friends are wearing them on a fairly regular basis. I think they are cute, but I don't own one (yet). I do have a couple maxi dresses though.

[calimojo]

I am probably late to the party on this dress convo, but the fact is that fundies did not start the Maxi skirt trend. They just benefited from it. When you see the early shows, you can see the girls never wore maxi skirts. They wore long frumpers but they were not maxi length.

When the maxi trend started, about 3 years ago, it was good timing for the Duggar older girls because they could finally fit into some more modern fashion, and easily adapt it to their modesty standards.

But long before the Duggars started to wear them the maxi's skirts were coming back in style. This is the third time, at least, that I have lived through this particular fashion trend. The first time I was in junior high, the second time I was in my late 20's and then again now.

I personally love maxi's. I fell in love with them when I was about 12 and have always been happy when they make a comeback. For a young women with pasty white legs that never tanned, Maxi skirts were great. And since having my kids, and working on my feet for 30 plus years, my pasty white legs are now decorated with varicose veins. So yeah, Maxi's are great for me. They are comfy, and if styled right, can be very cute.

[16strong]

I am probably late to the party on this dress convo, but the fact is that fundies did not start the Maxi skirt trend. They just benefited from it. When you see the early shows, you can see the girls never wore maxi skirts. They wore long frumpers but they were not maxi length.

When the maxi trend started, about 3 years ago, it was good timing for the Duggar older girls because they could finally fit into some more modern fashion, and easily adapt it to their modesty standards.

But long before the Duggars started to wear them the maxi's skirts were coming back in style. This is the third time, at least, that I have lived through this particular fashion trend. The first time I was in junior high, the second time I was in my late 20's and then again now.

I personally love maxi's. I fell in love with them when I was about 12 and have always been happy when they make a comeback. For a young women with pasty white legs that never tanned, Maxi skirts were great. And since having my kids, and working on my feet for 30 plus years, my pasty white legs are now decorated with varicose veins. So yeah, Maxi's are great for me. They are comfy, and if styled right, can be very cute.

I'm going to argue that 10+ years ago (before maxi skirts), was the peasant skirt trend. They never jumped on that bandwagon.

[ShepherdontheRock]

I'm going to argue that 10+ years ago (before maxi skirts), was the peasant skirt trend. They never jumped on that bandwagon.

Only because they were busy wearing frumpers.

[ClaraOswin]

I agree that maxi dresses have been around long before the Duggars were wearing them. I'm wearing one in some of my senior photos (class of 1999.) Though I think that may have been the only time I've worn one. I am a t-shirts and jeans kind of person.

[princessmahina]

Are people seriously offended by the stylishness of long skirts? I wear skirts/dresses exclusively, and pretty much live in the maxi ones during the summer. You will pry my maxi skirts/dresses (whether they be chevron, solid, floral, or otherwise patterned) out of my sweaty, deep-south dwelling hands.

Oh and I look awesome in them. Not frumpy at all. I've asked some very "blunt" (read: rude) people and they all agree I look fabulous and not fundie at all. It IS possible to dress modestly and stylishly.

[NeverQuivered]

Only because they were busy wearing frumpers.

Also an economic issue as well. When they wore frumpers it was because they would buy bulk fabric cheap and see their own clothes. At least I hope they did because if they actually bought those disgusting frumpers (whether new or used), that's a terrible waste. Once the TLC money started rolling in, and received national media exposure, they were able to acclimate their fashion sense a bit.

[DeFrauder]

I had a particularly frumpy maxi jean skirt that I bought for a visit to the middle east (where it is impossible to be too covered up). I wore it for years after the trip because I dunno I was being frumpy and hippy slovenly. I had a bunch of lazy sloth clothes that I wore when in university. Anyway it turned out that people at my university thought I was a practicing fundamentalist Christian. They didn't say anything about it to my face--I learned it second hand from my friends.

When I think back I wonder if my 'style' was unintentionally modest out of habit from my childhood.

[DeFrauder]

OMG I read back 5 pages or so. UGH. Everybody is right.

Maxi skirts are in right now. They go in and out fairly frequently.

its too hot in a lot of regions to wear them at the moment.

Hardly anyone looks good in them unless they are reed thin.

The Duggars did not set the trend. They also look hideous in their maxi skirts despite their slenderness.

Non fundies wear maxi skirts.

Fashion is surprisingly different from country to country. You guys should see whats going on in Mexico right now! Think bright red or yellow polyester pants for middle aged women.

Kate Middleton is indeed a trendsetter. That's the way British fashion is. The middle classes do their best to brownnose by copying the style of the upper classes---especially high ranking members of the royal family. The working classes can't afford to wear clothes like Kate, nor do they have occasions to wear such clothes. If Kate wore a frumper (as Diana did actually) frumpers would come in style. Frumpers have been in style various times in the past.

/rant

now my own 2 cents:

the fundie look is indeed a look. it is much more than wearing a long skirt and having crunchy hair. It is hard to explain. Out of all the girls, I find Jill is carrying off the fundie look the most. Jessa is less fundie looking, but she can look fundie when she wants to. Our precious Jinger is dodging full on fundieness, too. I think that both Jessa and Jinger are projecting their sexuality. Its subtle, but there. Michelle is 100% fundie head to toe.

Jana is different and an old soul. She wears what she is expected to. She doesn't put herself on display like jessa, Jill, Jinger and Michelle.

:stir-pot:

[from the bible belt]

Well, I do wear a white legging under my white maxi dress (any other colour shows)

I'm confirmed Dutch then :lol:

Just adding: I'm in the UK right now on vacation, just bought myself a maxi dress the other day and I see plenty of women wearing them as well ;)

:lol: break free LOL! This is so true (dare I say I am nit one of them?)

Is seems like a lot of women just let go after they get married and have children, wearing floppy clothing and birkenstocks. And a lot of men don't seem to care either. That being sad I can pick out UK tourists in spain because of their clothing

[goldfishgoddess]

Some eye candy.

The Scripture skirt

[MichellesCrunchyHair]

Some eye candy.

Why is Jessa the only one in a frumper?

[actuallyjessica]

regarding the 'duggar uniform' that marjorie seems to have taken to wearing. it's not just because she's wearing a maxi dress or skirt, it's how she's wearing it. there are plenty of fundie's who don't "look" fundie while wearing skirts and dresses. carlin and alyssa (webster) bates, for example. i wouldn't look at them and immediately think "fundies"... even when alyssa was skirts-only.

[socalrules]

I saw a few people here in Southern California wearing maxi skirts/dresses at a food festival yesterday. The difference between them and the Duggars is that they looked stylish and the Duggars always look frumpy. The Duggars put on long tshirts and polo shirts that hang down below their butts. Everything appears to be a size or two too big. Since they are not allowed to wear anything from fitting (aka the proper size) they tend to come off looking shabby. The Duggars still aren't following the trend. They would still stick out in a crowd of non fundies in maxi skirts.

[DeFrauder]

Why is Jessa the only one in a frumper?

My guess is that they have to compete for clothes inside their giant communal closet.

[FoxyMoxie]

OMG I read back 5 pages or so. UGH. Everybody is right.

Maxi skirts are in right now. They go in and out fairly frequently.

its too hot in a lot of regions to wear them at the moment.

Hardly anyone looks good in them unless they are reed thin.

The Duggars did not set the trend. They also look hideous in their maxi skirts despite their slenderness.

Non fundies wear maxi skirts.

Fashion is surprisingly different from country to country. You guys should see whats going on in Mexico right now! Think bright red or yellow polyester pants for middle aged women.

Kate Middleton is indeed a trendsetter. That's the way British fashion is. The middle classes do their best to brownnose by copying the style of the upper classes---especially high ranking members of the royal family. The working classes can't afford to wear clothes like Kate, nor do they have occasions to wear such clothes. If Kate wore a frumper (as Diana did actually) frumpers would come in style. Frumpers have been in style various times in the past.

/rant

now my own 2 cents:

the fundie look is indeed a look. it is much more than wearing a long skirt and having crunchy hair. It is hard to explain. Out of all the girls, I find Jill is carrying off the fundie look the most. Jessa is less fundie looking, but she can look fundie when she wants to. Our precious Jinger is dodging full on fundieness, too. I think that both Jessa and Jinger are projecting their sexuality. Its subtle, but there. Michelle is 100% fundie head to toe.

Jana is different and an old soul. She wears what she is expected to. She doesn't put herself on display like jessa, Jill, Jinger and Michelle.

:stir-pot:

Kate Middleton is NOT a trendsetter, nor is that how British fashion works. I am British, I live in Britain, nobody here outside OK magazine considers her a trendsetter. Nobody looks to the upper classes for fashion trends lol, that is laughable - it makes it sound like Britain is some fashion backwater, but London Fashion Week is up there with Paris and NYC. We have actual trends here, not just frumpy mumsy wrap dresses. If you look at British street style, it's not exactly Kate Middleton esque. Diana wore frumpers when pregnant because EVERYONE did - that's just how maternity wear was then. Also Kate Middleton is middle-class herself - she married into the upper classes but she is not aristocracy, so she is middle-class.

I am fat, I wear maxi dresses, I look awesome. Also maxi dresses are a cool type of clothing, I don't understand the references to it being to hot to wear them. A cotton maxi dress is much cooler than jeans for instance.

[goldfishgoddess]

Kate Middleton is NOT a trendsetter, nor is that how British fashion works. I am British, I live in Britain, nobody here outside OK magazine considers her a trendsetter. Nobody looks to the upper classes for fashion trends lol, that is laughable - it makes it sound like Britain is some fashion backwater, but London Fashion Week is up there with Paris and NYC. We have actual trends here, not just frumpy mumsy wrap dresses. If you look at British street style, it's not exactly Kate Middleton esque. Diana wore frumpers when pregnant because EVERYONE did - that's just how maternity wear was then. Also Kate Middleton is middle-class herself - she married into the upper classes but she is not aristocracy, so she is middle-class.

I am fat, I wear maxi dresses, I look awesome. Also maxi dresses are a cool type of clothing, I don't understand the references to it being to hot to wear them. A cotton maxi dress is much cooler than jeans for instance.

Everything the Duchess of Cambridge wears, instantly sells out.. ditto with her son's clothes. Doesn't sound like the same would happen if your wardrobe hit the morning papers.

The duchess wears British fashion and it does promote British clothing worldwide.. have a look here:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/30/kate-duchess-of-cambridge-fashion-lk-bennett

[MatthewDuggar]

Kate Middleton is NOT a trendsetter, nor is that how British fashion works. I am British, I live in Britain, nobody here outside OK magazine considers her a trendsetter. Nobody looks to the upper classes for fashion trends lol, that is laughable - it makes it sound like Britain is some fashion backwater, but London Fashion Week is up there with Paris and NYC. We have actual trends here, not just frumpy mumsy wrap dresses. If you look at British street style, it's not exactly Kate Middleton esque. Diana wore frumpers when pregnant because EVERYONE did - that's just how maternity wear was then. Also Kate Middleton is middle-class herself - she married into the upper classes but she is not aristocracy, so she is middle-class.

I am fat, I wear maxi dresses, I look awesome. Also maxi dresses are a cool type of clothing, I don't understand the references to it being to hot to wear them. A cotton maxi dress is much cooler than jeans for instance.

As an American that's visited the UK numerous times, it seems the general fashion sense is the same.

Wouldn't you admit though, that there is somewhat of a trend when is comes to more formal attire that your "royals" do set the stage so to speak. Unless it's a horrible stereotype, every wedding I see on TV that is in the UK, no matter if they are super poor or very elite, all the women wear hats. Here in the US, very few people wear hats.