19 Kids & Counting - Season 10 - Duggar Snark Part 2

[rosaline]

Are the patrons of strip clubs allowed to take photos? My guess is, they'd get kicked out (or get their asses kicked) if they tried something like that. The other patrons don't want anyone snapping their photos. The dancers and club owners would probably be even more opposed to it. Those dancers don't want to be the unpaid stars of somebody's porno. And it is in the club owners' best interests not to have their shows photographed or filmed. But I don't go to strip clubs, so I don't know for sure.

I'm not sure of my dates on this, but I feel like cell phone cameras didn't really start becoming ubiquitous until more recently than 6ish years ago; I think that was about the time they started to really take off. At the time, they wouldn't have been very clear pictures, at any rate, especially in a poorly-lit strip club.

[Rescinded and Mended]

I know someone who was once on my Facebook friends list who took pictures of the dancers at a club and posted them on his page. I'm also guessing he probably wasn't allowed to do that, but he did anyway (I've since deleted that guy, I don't want that showing up in my feed since I have kids on my friends list). I can see where club would have rules about that sort of thing.

[nst]

So Ben was speaking at this thing in Georgia with Jessa

Does this bother anyone else but me ? :angry-banghead:

and he was giving autographs

um HELLO he didn't write the damn book

this bothers me

http://jessaandben.tumblr.com/

he is jumping on her bandwagon - I clearly think a tiny bit - he married not just for her body but because he could improve their platform

if I am wrong and he didn't speak

correct me :cracking-up:

[nst]

celebrating Derick's 26th birthday early

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyof ... =1&theater

[nst]

Ben signing :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Coconut Flan]

So Ben was speaking at this thing in Georgia with Jessa

Does this bother anyone else but me ? :angry-banghead:

There is a thread about the speaking engagements:

viewtopic.php?f=87&t=24957

[ViolaSebastian]

I finally got around to watching these episodes... John David seems dumb as a box of rocks and as dull as dishwater. All the Duggars seem to have sparkling, fascinating personalities compared to him, which is saying something.

Other than that, my only real 'WTF?' moment was about Guinn's pie-themed rehearsal dinner. That strikes me as strange thing to build a theme around. "What theme shall we have? Love? Jessa and Bin? Naah...pies."

"Music opens up a Pandora's Box of possibilities..." Uh, Josh, usually negative things are associated with Pandora's box. :mouse-shock:

I am so, so disappointed Bin didn't pick the ring that had "BJ" on it. I would never stop laughing if one of the Duggar daughters went around with a ring with those initials.

[CallmeChaCha]

um HELLO he didn't write the damn book

Well, to be fair, I'm pretty sure Jessa (or Jana, Jill, and Jinger for that matter) didn't write the book either [emoji38]

[nst]

"Music opens up a Pandora's Box of possibilities..." Uh, Josh, usually negative things are associated with Pandora's box. :mouse-shock:

apparently it contains evil things

what a weird thing to say

[Alachantal]

I am personally bored with babies and weddings. I'd rather see real, unscripted, day-to-day coverage of the lives of JB/M, J/D, and BJ.

I'd rather see Josh at a strip club. :snooty:

[16strong]

Don't know why, but I'm getting controlling/jealous vibes off of Ben. Most other husbands would just walk around town while their wife was doing her thing, seeing as it's a women's show? Y'know, maybe pick her up some chocolate or trinket or other thing for when she's finished. I'm wondering if he lets her be anywhere on her own?

If he is indeed behaving this way, I think Jessa will eventually get tired of his possessive behavior. I'm independent like her, and I'd be over it in about 5 minutes, but then again, I'm not fundie. :shrug:

[ViolaSebastian]

apparently it contains evil things

what a weird thing to say

Yes, Mack learning to play the violin is going to reap untold horror across the world. Look out!

[calimojo]

How is Jessa going to do anything about it? I mean, Divorce is not part of their culture.

Do we really think she would be welcomed back into the fold if she left Ben? Well, She might be but at what cost. She would become the new Jana, only with added guilt for being divorced.

She has no education, no skills and seemingly little interest in learning ("I just call them flowers").

I hope the sex is great, and they are having the time of their life now, because their future could be very bleak. Once the novelty of "Ben and Jessa" wears off, people will see that Ben is an idiot and Jessa is a cactus flower, beautiful but prickly.

Neither of them is well spoken or despite their relative good looks, very interesting on camera.

In my opinion the only thing that Jessa could have going for her if she wanted to leave Ben, would be to do a tell all show or book about her childhood.

When Jessa has a child, I hope that will be transformative for her. I know many on her don't see her as very maternal, but who knows. I was never very maternal either, until I had my own children. Then I was classic mama bear. If Jessa were to have a chance to spend more time with Guinn, she may get the chance to see some alternative mothering behavior and it would be good for her.

[anjulibai]

I think having a kid will just make Jessa worse.

[Alachantal]

I think having a kid will just make Jessa worse.

Agreed. Especially if things turn sour between her and Bin. I could see her having or directing a lot of anger towards her kid(s). Ex: you ruined my body/relationship, can't deal with the constant noise or pressure of raising kids - especially if she had no real desire for having any but did because she had no real choice in the matter.

Edit for spelling, my tablet doesn't seem to like me today.

[calimojo]

I don't know about that. Many a spoiled and entitled young woman has turned out to be a fierce and loving mother.

I just watched the episode featuring Erin Bates's wedding. There were actually a few nice moments with Jessa there. She was the only one who thought that the joke gift about Erin's cooking was mean, I like the she mildly called out her dad for being an idiot over his dumb questions of Ben on the RV, and she seemed very warm and happy for Erin. She also seems very comfortable with Ben's mom.

The dumb stuff she posts and spews on the internet is offensive and ridiculous, and I don't think she is a very "deep" person. But she has never been raised to think of anything else or in a different way.

One thing I found odd is how it appears that as soon as she entered courtship, she was allowed to get out of her jurisdictions. Why on earth would that be the case? Ben wasn't even living near by then, so she had plenty of time on her hands. I found that to be very odd. I could see at the point of planning the wedding, that maybe they would lighten the load on the bride to be, but goodness; Jessa courted for a year or so, which seems a long to time for her to get out of her household and childcare duties. And also why would Joseph, Josiah, Jed/Jer and even James, need someone to pack for them? My kids did their own packing from about age 8 on up. Yes, I had to remind them of things, but they each had their own little suitcase and they were excited to pack it themselves.

[isarhenne]

She is glowing, look at her face! I bet she is pregnant with a girl due in september!

[Rescinded and Mended]

Don't know why, but I'm getting controlling/jealous vibes off of Ben. Most other husbands would just walk around town while their wife was doing her thing, seeing as it's a women's show? Y'know, maybe pick her up some chocolate or trinket or other thing for when she's finished. I'm wondering if he lets her be anywhere on her own?

If he is indeed behaving this way, I think Jessa will eventually get tired of his possessive behavior. I'm independent like her, and I'd be over it in about 5 minutes, but then again, I'm not fundie. :shrug:

Ben is completely dependent on the goodwill of the family he married into for his personal happiness. He married Jessa, who many would argue is the most mercurial of the Duggar daughters, so he may spend quite a bit of time walking on eggshells around her. He doesn't have his own home or job, and his way in the world is being paved completely by the whims of his father-in-law and the television show.

From where I'm sitting, Ben has every right to feel completely insecure, but these feelings and the situation he's in are of his own making. He essentially signed over his life to Jim Bob so that he could score with Jessa. I sincerely hope he's not being controlling toward Jessa, but it wouldn't surprise me if he feels hopeless about getting out of this particular rut and is acting out toward her as a way of asserting himself.

[nst]

Ben is completely dependent on the goodwill of the family he married into for his personal happiness. He married Jessa, who many would argue is the most mercurial of the Duggar daughters, so he may spend quite a bit of time walking on eggshells around her. He doesn't have his own home or job, and his way in the world is being paved completely by the whims of his father-in-law and the television show.

From where I'm sitting, Ben has every right to feel completely insecure, but these feelings and the situation he's in are of his own making. He essentially signed over his life to Jim Bob so that he could score with Jessa. I sincerely hope he's not being controlling toward Jessa, but it wouldn't surprise me if he feels hopeless about getting out of this particular rut and is acting out toward her as a way of asserting himself.

This -- you can already see it in some videos that they publish --- the mothers day one comes to mind - he demands to be heard. In the video JB and JInger talk, even Jessa gets a word in but when he tries to talk but he gets shut down time and time again and you can tell he is upset

so his desperate need to assert himself is going to come roaring out and not in a good way

I think this family will make him even more insecure.... as time goes on - prime example his wife is scheduled to speak at an event and he speaks as well....

[SassyPants]

Ben needs to find his own job. Or start a windshield repair business. He had one of those businesses in Hot Springs, at least that was the original claim...Ben being self-employed and a college student. He needs to find a way to earn his own money that is devoid of Duggar influence/funding.

[BrownieMomma]

Ben needs to find his own job. Or start a windshield repair business. He had one of those businesses in Hot Springs, at least that was the original claim...Ben being self-employed and a college student. He needs to find a way to earn his own money that is devoid of Duggar influence/funding.

I agree that Ben desperately needs this. I would think his parents would see this and push him to do something for himself. But then again, I think they actually took him to this mysterious church meeting, which no explanation has been forthcoming how the Seewalds even got to the Duggar homechurch.

Maybe Mom and Pop Seewald sold their son to the Duggars for some fame and fortune. It has certainly gotten the Seewald name out there in a way that probably otherwise would have never happened.

But maybe, also, they just don't want to lose their son. Maybe they privately hate all this Duggar nonsense and are trying to be supportive when Ben is gonna do what Ben wants to do.

There remains a thread of hope for Derick and Jill because Derick is gainfully employed and if they decide to fu JB, Derick can support them - not in a McMansion but they could move to an apt and anywhere they want to go. They have a freedom of choice but Ben and Jessa are truly caged.

[LittleOleMe]

Bin being at the speaking engagement is certainly odd. Obviously he would travel with her, but there's no reason for him to be physically present at the table with her. That's just obnoxious. But you can tell he loves the spotlight.

To be fair though, he isn't signing the book that Jessa didn't really write. They're both signing promo pictures of that giant group shot where Jana is precariously placed with BJ and J/D all by her lonesome. (It still looks like they intended to photoshop someone in there)

[Buzzard]

Ben scares me. His possessive/jealous nature may be juvenile behavior, but it can also be very dangerous. There's no indication that he can be violent, but anyone who cant let his fiance walk down the aisle in a church has impulse issues.

I really hope I'm wrong, but a 911 call wouldnt shock me.

[SayWhat]

I agree that Ben desperately needs this. I would think his parents would see this and push him to do something for himself. But then again, I think they actually took him to this mysterious church meeting, which no explanation has been forthcoming how the Seewalds even got to the Duggar homechurch.

Maybe Mom and Pop Seewald sold their son to the Duggars for some fame and fortune. It has certainly gotten the Seewald name out there in a way that probably otherwise would have never happened.

But maybe, also, they just don't want to lose their son. Maybe they privately hate all this Duggar nonsense and are trying to be supportive when Ben is gonna do what Ben wants to do.

There remains a thread of hope for Derick and Jill because Derick is gainfully employed and if they decide to fu JB, Derick can support them - not in a McMansion but they could move to an apt and anywhere they want to go. They have a freedom of choice but Ben and Jessa are truly caged.

Ageed, the longer Derrick remains gainfully employed as a corporate accountant, the more freedom he could enjoy away from the Dugger crazy. But the question is, does he want to stop drinking the Kool-Aid ?

From what I see he is guzzling the Kool-Aid. I predict he will leave walmart/corporate accountancy to work for a small family Duggar business as an accountant or go into part missions, fundie travelling/speaking job at conferences and churches.

And continuing a corporate career means be will have to work with those ebil working feminist women.

In addition, the more bad press he gets for the cat incident or the more People covers he gets for knocking up his wife, and the more crazy that his Sis & brother in laws social media posts become, ultimately will hinder his career as a corporate accountant.

[apandaaries]

Ben scares me. His possessive/jealous nature may be juvenile behavior, but it can also be very dangerous. There's no indication that he can be violent, but anyone who cant let his fiance walk down the aisle in a church has impulse issues.

I really hope I'm wrong, but a 911 call wouldnt shock me.

I agree. This is the guy who couldn't let a wedding event continue without jumping up to "claim" his fiance. He's also the guy who pushed Derrick's cookie sheet sled toward that orange cat. He has no education and his main value comes from marrying the "pretty" Duggar. He's not afraid to show what I'm sure he'd call "righteous anger" toward people with different beliefs -- and that's his public behavior. He's excessively controlling, though Jessa seems to like the attention -- at least right now. The abusive guys I've seen have been insecure and resented their lack of power in society -- then they vented that anger on the women/children in their lives. Jessa's a tough b!tch in her own way, but I think she may have misunderestimated (to borrow a Bush phrase) the teenager she married. I don't want her to get hurt, but I suspect Ben is capable of...more than we've seen thus far. Time will tell, I suppose.