Pennington Point daughter escapes/ Has no ID's Part 2

[anniebgood]

{L_MESSAGE_HIDDEN}:

You can tweet this org (it's on the bottom left of the page). I left a tweet...I think we should tweet bomb them with info on Lisa.

@focusedbc Please reconsider #lisapennington as guest mentor. http://tinyurl.com/lgsr6tn #identityabuse #childabuse

I tweeted them. Hopefully others have as well and they will check it out.

[nomoxian]

{L_MESSAGE_HIDDEN}:

You can tweet this org (it's on the bottom left of the page). I left a tweet...I think we should tweet bomb them with info on Lisa.

@focusedbc Please reconsider #lisapennington as guest mentor. http://tinyurl.com/lgsr6tn #identityabuse #childabuse

I'm not sure if they would care about Loopy Lisa... I checked a couple of the other Mentors pages and saw red flags like "potty training in a weekend", as well as stuff about Lent and Christmas which lead me to believe all of the mentors are Christian.

[Tesseract]

Thankyou Tesserat and Grimalkin.

I'm sorry but I don't yet know how to put other messages up to reply too,

Will get there!

Will the Penningtons have to prove ( if the IRS catch up with them) that the anchorage thingy is tax exempt, and if so how?

Are they claiming it as a business or a church?

Sorry if I sound thick. I'm sure that there are tax dodges over here also, just don't know what they are.

They have legal tax exempt status. There was a long court case and in the end, they won. I still don't understand how his CPA income and all of Lisa's product shilling income are able to fly under the non-profit. Any specialists here that can help explain?

Gobsmacked, if you want to quote another post, click "quote" at the top right of the post you want to reply to instead of "post reply" at the end of last message in the thread. :)

[Marian the Librarian]

Have just perused Jacob Pennington's FB Friends. Surprise, surprise! Five of the seven Botkin offspring, along with a Noor and a Vernier; Nattie Darnell; the newly-engaged Lauren Hope; Stephanie Cone (wrote a book that was lauded at one of Dougie Phillips' last VF-fests); John Robert Moore; Daniel Craig (in tight with Bradrick Pere and Mere through the Christian Heritage Home Educators of Washington); Richard Little Bear Wheeler and Charlie Zahm (more VF connections)...Oh what a tangled web! :lol:

[NurseNell]

Have just perused Jacob Pennington's FB Friends. Surprise, surprise! Five of the seven Botkin offspring, along with a Noor and a Vernier; Nattie Darnell; the newly-engaged Lauren Hope; Stephanie Cone (wrote a book that was lauded at one of Dougie Phillips' last VF-fests); John Robert Moore; Daniel Craig (in tight with Bradrick Pere and Mere through the Christian Heritage Home Educators of Washington); Richard Little Bear Wheeler and Charlie Zahm (more VF connections)...Oh what a tangled web! :lol:

I think I saw something about a short film he made that was presented at Dougie's film festival.

[thoughtful]

I think I saw something about a short film he made that was presented at Dougie's film festival.

Yep - in 2010. From Lisa's blog:

Many of you know that Grace and Jacob both entered movies in the festival this year. We heard last Friday that Grace’s movie was not chosen as a semi-finalist and will not be played at the festival. This was a disappointment, but we are not going to let her beautiful film go to waste. We have big plans for it!

The good news is that Jacob’s movie IS a semi-finalist! He worked really hard on this film and we are delighted for him. His movie, Tentacle Reef, is an animated short film about an adorable little octopus and how he learns to trust his mother’s wisdom, his mother with nine children.

No, I did not write the script for this movie. I didn’t even suggest it. I might have impressed it upon him every night when he was an infant, but I am sure that has nothing to do with it.

The Trailer:

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Ohhhhh, doesn’t that make you want to see the movie? What happens to the little octopus? Does the big, green, scary eel get him? Where is his mother? Is she really wise or does she just write blogs and drink Diet Dr Pepper all day?

You’ll have to see the movie to find out.

If you can’t make it to the film festival in October then you will be able to purchase it after the festival. We’ll keep you updated on that!

thepenningtonpoint.com/2010/09/san-antonio-independant-christian-film-festival/

The trailer has cutesy animation with the usual Fundie dread-music. The little octopus seems to find the world away from his mother's side utterly terrifying.

But, y'know, I wouldn't read too much into that. :whistle:

ETA the behind-the-scenes, "comic" video about how the film was named. :roll:

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[Palimpsest]

Have just perused Jacob Pennington's FB Friends. Surprise, surprise! Five of the seven Botkin offspring, along with a Noor and a Vernier; Nattie Darnell; the newly-engaged Lauren Hope; Stephanie Cone (wrote a book that was lauded at one of Dougie Phillips' last VF-fests); John Robert Moore; Daniel Craig (in tight with Bradrick Pere and Mere through the Christian Heritage Home Educators of Washington); Richard Little Bear Wheeler and Charlie Zahm (more VF connections)...Oh what a tangled web! :lol:

I had a definite feeling the Penningtons were Vision Forum fans. :lol:

[Mama Mia]

I'm not sure if they would care about Loopy Lisa... I checked a couple of the other Mentors pages and saw red flags like "potty training in a weekend", as well as stuff about Lent and Christmas which lead me to believe all of the mentors are Christian.

None of those things you mentioned --- potty training tips, Lent, Christmas or being Christian -- remotely means people wouldn't be absolutely appalled at the thought of someone advocating holding adult children virtual hostages or torturing babies because they won't feed your evil narcissistic soul.

There is a small ( but ridiculously vocal ) subset of people who call themselves Christian, who promote the extremist, abusive agenda that Lisa does, but it is incredibly unfair and offensive to say " oh, they're mostly Christian, so of course they won't mind that she's an abusive baby beater"

[mirele]

They have legal tax exempt status. There was a long court case and in the end, they won. I still don't understand how his CPA income and all of Lisa's product shilling income are able to fly under the non-profit. Any specialists here that can help explain?

Gobsmacked, if you want to quote another post, click "quote" at the top right of the post you want to reply to instead of "post reply" at the end of last message in the thread. :)

If they're playing games with their incomes and trying to hide it under the nonprofit, they'll eventually run into trouble. IMHO.

[Palimpsest]

None of those things you mentioned --- potty training tips, Lent, Christmas or being Christian -- remotely means people wouldn't be absolutely appalled at the thought of someone advocating holding adult children virtual hostages or torturing babies because they won't feed your evil narcissistic soul.

There is a small ( but ridiculously vocal ) subset of people who call themselves Christian, who promote the extremist, abusive agenda that Lisa does, but it is incredibly unfair and offensive to say " oh, they're mostly Christian, so of course they won't mind that she's an abusive baby beater"

Yes, except to add that it is absolutely wrong that any religion be defined by the flawed views of extreme Fundamentalists.

[Mama Mia]

If they're playing games with their incomes and trying to hide it under the nonprofit, they'll eventually run into trouble. IMHO.

Big, big trouble. I hope this catches up with them soon. The IRS really, really hates it when people abuse and fraudulently use tax-exempt status. Rightly so.

Assuming that's what's going on of course. Yahoo, or any news site, can always misstate things.

[Howl]

My impression is that the Penningtons/Anchor Group are one and the same family but a church, but a family, but a church......

[Marian the Librarian]

My impression is that the Penningtons/Anchor Group are one and the same family but a church, but a family, but a church......

Nonprofit database Guidestar.org's info about Anchor Group:

ANCHOR GROUP-A RELIGIOUS ASSOCIATION

Physical Address:

P. O. Box 290730

Kerrville, TX 78029

EIN: 20-0366977

Web URL: http://www.theanchorgroup.org (note: this is a dead link)

Facsimile: (512) 8570028

Contact: James Pennington

Ruling Year: 2004

Mission Statement:

To provide professional services to non-profits and others and educate with regard to home-oriented relationships.

Programs:

Budget:

Category:

Population Served:

Program Description:

Pennington Point Farms, James C. Pennington, CPA, Church & Charity Resources, Homespun Advice, etc.

Program Long-Term Success:

Education through relationships

Program Short-Term Success:

Program Success Monitored by:

Program Success Examples:

No financials.

No 990 forms, formation documents, or annual reports.

I smell a rat.

[Mama Mia]

Based on that guidestar listing I don't see how they could possibly be including Lisa's blogging income. I'm assuming she makes money from it?

And with no 990, he couldn't be saying he's donating his accounting services. He'd have to be filing if he was making enough to support that large a family.

He may have found some wormy loophole to exploit to prove you don't have to file taxes - but I can't imagine what it would be. They are obviously living well....things that make you go hmmmm :think:

[lucylauser]

Grace and Jacob have claimed that their family does pay taxes and the IRS investigation came out in their favor because they had been paying all along...

[divadivine]

Based on that guidestar listing I don't see how they could possibly be including Lisa's blogging income. I'm assuming she makes money from it?

And with no 990, he couldn't be saying he's donating his accounting services. He'd have to be filing if he was making enough to support that large a family.

He may have found some wormy loophole to exploit to prove you don't have to file taxes - but I can't imagine what it would be. They are obviously living well....things that make you go hmmmm :think:

It really smells like a McK Momma & Daddy deal. Swindlers! Liars! Cheaters!

Go rub some oils on yourself, Looney Lisa! You're not going to have those in lock-up.

[Howl]

I just googled Sovereign Citizens -- scary. I came across the Wikipedia entry for Soverign Citizens and came across this:

2015

Already in prison since January 2007 for failure to pay federal taxes, for structuring various bank transactions to evade reporting requirements, and for attempting to obstruct administration of the U.S. internal revenue laws, Young Earth Creationist and Sovereign Citizen proponent Kent Hovind has had a raft of new charges laid against him for the filing of lis pendens liens on property deemed forfeited to pay for earlier unpaid taxes.[133] The filing of these liens had been earlier forbidden by a court. Hovind during his incarceration has relied increasingly on Sovereign Citizen arguments, denying his U.S Citizenship and declaring "Democracy is evil and contrary to God's law". Hovind's co-defendant is Paul J. Hansen, another Sovereign Citizen advocate. In filings before the court relating to the upcoming trial, both have made lengthy submissions which recycle typical Sovereign Citizen tropes, such as "withdrawing consent for the proceedings", denial of jurisdiction, invocation of maritime law, the attempted convocation of unsanctioned citizen grand juries, and which threaten the judge personally, claiming that as representatives of a fraudulent government that has "made war on the people" and which "contravenes Divine Law", that they lack any immunity from consequences in the discharge of their public duties.[134][135] The trial is scheduled for March 2, 2015.[136]

I don't think the Penningtons are Sovereign Citizens but perhaps hold less virulent views with some of the same elements. They know to hold back the crazy in their public personae so as not to drive off potential customers for EOs and CPA services. I must say, though, that having tax issues with the IRS does not say much for a CPA. Alternately, he might have become a "go -to" guy for advice on how how to run these dicey ploys/scams to set yourself up as a 501©(3) to avoid paying taxes.

According to the IRS

To be tax-exempt under section 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501©(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual.

If anyone has found the IRS ruling in favor of the Penningtons in their tax issues re: the Anchor Group, please post up a link.

[divadivine]

Grace and Jacob have claimed that their family does pay taxes and the IRS investigation came out in their favor because they had been paying all along...

Yeah, sure they've been paying all along. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I could sell them.

[lucylauser]

Yeah, sure they've been paying all along. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I could sell them.

Will you throw the Golden Gate in free?

[Palimpsest]

Links please because it really surprises me that the IRS didn't nail his rear-end.

To my cynical eye his Penningtontaxlaw.com website looks just like a tax protester business serving Sovereign Citizens. Dodgy as hell.

[Mama Mia]

Yeah, sure they've been paying all along. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I could sell them.

Well, to be fair, I think the only reason we all think they don't pay taxes is because a yahoo article said they didn't.

It could very well be that the court case was only concerning his supposed non- profit, and not the family income and tax filing in general.

eta: I just read the yahoo article and it states that a 2007 document states he hadn't filed taxes since 1996, but doesn't link or describe the document. It does link a motion that involved him trying to keep the IRS from examining the non- profit groups accounts. Which it appears he is using in a very shady way, basically it sounds like he's trying to hide personal income in the non-profit account, or at the very least, not having sufficient seperation between the two.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

IIRC the tax claim was made by one article but I don't know where they got that information. It seems highly unlikely.

[Howl]

Spent some time on the google and I came up with an article from Christian Science Monitor dated Feb. 12, 2015 on the Alecia identity topic.

The article covers the specifics of Alecia's case in good detail but also uses her situation as a way to address the general topic of identification abuse, what it is and the prevalence of identification abuse.

And yes, there is attribution to FREEJINGER in this article!

On Wednesday, Lisa posted a video responding to her daughter's claims. The video was immediately removed. From a transcription provided by Free Jinger, Lisa allegedly said in the video:

(transcription follows in the text of the article).

Anyway,

Alecia's father, James, is a certified public accountant and attorney, and has been a member of the Texas Constitution Party, which describes itself as working to "restore our God-given, unalienable rights and a "republican form of government." According to a 2007 court document, he was being audited because the IRS could find no individual tax return filed after 1996.

In 2010, a US District Judge denied a petition by Pennington to prevent the IRS from obtaining access to The Anchor Group's bank records. Pennington is the director of The Anchor Group, which Pennington "asserts is a church within the meaning of IRC [internal Revenue Code.]," according to court documents. The IRS sought "banking records in connection with the IRS’s investigation into the personal tax liability of James and Lisa Pennington."

Pennington points out that he won a back taxes case brought against him by the IRS.

Court documents show that on July 26, 2014, the United States Tax Court ruled that James and Lisa Pennington owed income taxes in the amounts of $3,728.00, $3,260.00 and $1,707.00 for the taxable years 2001, 2002 and 2003. But the court also ruled against IRS claims that the Penningtons owed back taxes from 2004-2008, and there were no penalties due during those years. Additionally, the court stated that the IRS owed the Penningtons $53,393.88 in litigation costs.)

I am certain they spent some time reading FreeJinger in detail because the writer comments on one of Lisa's blog posts: "In some ways, it reads as if her daughter passed away rather than left home." Remember, you read that one FreeJinger first!

Unfortunately, the writer mis-identifies the Pennington's hometown of Kerrville, Texas as Kerrington, TX.

Full text of the article: Alecia Pennington can't prove she's an American – or even exists. What would you do?

[Delilah]

Does anybody else think the Tentacle Reef plots sounds a lot like Finding Nemo? A cute little octopus/fish gets lost and has a sometimes scary adventure while trying to get back to mommy/daddy. Yeah, I think that was done before.

As far as the creative accounting goes, Matt (mmlauser) described it best as shady shenanigans. Unfortunately, if the IRS has already gone to trial and lost, I think Mr. Pennington has figured out an amazing loophole. The IRS has forensic accountants that can ferret out fraud. (They have fraud ferrets.)

Edit - I just saw Howl's post. It looks like they don't own too much in taxes, and the IRS had to pay them for the court costs. I just don't think the IRS will go for them again. Hope I'm wrong, though.

[Mama Mia]

Yeah, that's not a whole lot in back taxes owed. And if they found they owed various amounts for only certain years it contradicts the no- income taxes filed since 1996 claim.

I would love to see their actual documents. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if most of those kids actually had both birth certificates and social security cards and the parents are just jerking them around as a means of control. At the very least Grace, born in a hospital, must have a registered birth -- no matter what the parents are telling her.