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[usmcmom]

Speaking of submission and difficult spouses...I've always wondered why the husbands never tell THEIR story.

Ken and Cabinet Man are always so thrilled to talk about how difficult their wives were but they never confess their own weaknesses. Ken never says that he could have been more available or more involved with his kids. He never says he could have been more attentive to his sick wife. Cabinet Man never talked about how horrible his porn addiction must have been for his wife other than to wave it off as "eh...lots of men do it."

Ken is always saying "Now that Lori is submissive....our marriage is wonderful." Well, I'd like to read about the mistakes HE corrected in HIMSELF. How was HE a lousy leader before and what did HE do to improve his marriage? This is what makes me so angry with these men - there is no humility in their story, no acknowledgment of their own need for improvement.

[alba]

Lori strikes me as the sort of person who defines "financially stable" as being able to send your kids to summer camp and music lessons, rather than being able to feed and clothe them.

[Tiger Lily]

No Maria, it is not black and White, and that is why someone has to cast the final vote.

Actually, is more black and white when this Kenny offers his process than it is in any other possible setting.

Like in any good partnership of equals, one has to be the lead manager or decision maker.

So, basically his idea of a partnership of equals is straight out of Animal Farm?

And this is God's design for the husband to decide at the end of the discussion.

Ken, you mean "And this is MY INTERPRETATION OF God's design for the husband to decide at the end of the discussion."

After the discussion and moms being unable to convince Dad, they must submit,

Back to Animal Farm... 3 legs good, 2 legs bad...

and by doing so show a unified front to their teens.

Who will always know their dad was such a bastard that he wouldn't listen to him or his mom.

I know of a number of young men who all grew up regretting that their mothers stepped in and they did not play sports.

Actually, it was my husband's father who wouldn't let them play sports-- he thought sports were a waste of time, put kids at risk of injury that would impact their future and took away from the discipline of working on the farm or studying or participating in things he viewed as more valuable--music was one of these. Hubs nor his brothers regret not being in sports, though those with children have them to include sports in the variety of activities they can choose from.

Playing sports is much like going to "boot camp," especially in the early training days where discipline of one's attitude, complete allegiance to the coach, and learning to discipline one's body takes place.

Really? This complete allegiance to the coach bullshit reminds me of why my parents discouraged any of their children from going into the military -- they didn't think another person having that much control over us would have been healthy or good....wait, that may be why they didn't preach submission.

Here is a son who does not want to play sports because he knows what discipline it takes,

Or, because the son wants to spend his time in some other discipline (I used to watch a man dance ballet who seemed like he could fly-- I suspect he had plenty of discipline) and the same is true of any number of non sports activities. Face it.. risking injury, spending the time on that instead of something you really care about, knowing that the vast number of HS Football players won't even be playing football in college, on the college team OR intermural makes football one of the silliest games to learn. Even Kens' love, baseket ball is better, but honing skills in tennis or golf seems more like sometihing that could last a lifetime (or guitar, etc)

like Dad does, but Mom has no clue,

Really, YOu think mom hasn't ever had to be disciplined enough to be skilled at something. Dad should have picked better.

but she jumps in the mix and robs her son of his ability to learn discipline. There are few other places to learn such discipline for young men.

Ken, your either ignorant or just stupid... could go either way if you believe the spew you are offering here.

We both discouraged our sons from playing football, but they did play almost every other sport in its season.

Of course, the woman specifically was asking about football, you fool. So you think your kids were not right for football, but her son should be forced to if daddy wants to relive his youth, instead of letting the kid pick some other sport instead. OK, I'm going with "Just stupid" as the answer to my previous question.

My god. I've always been glad I was not married to Ken, but thank goodness I didn't have him for a father either.

Ken, I cant' quit you. I can avoid the blog but when someone posts your inane comments here, i end up being a Proverbs 26:11 woman.

Ken's "logic" is unfathomable. What a dangerous couple Ken and Lori are to be giving out marital advice. The worst! Can you just imagine the lack of harmony in their home?

[Tiger Lily]

Didn't this bitch stop with 4 kids?

Her blog should be called "Always Hypocritical" because she preaches a life that she didn't leave to acheive a marriage she never had (and from her writing , still doesn't, really)

She was not a submissive wife and from her and Ken's reporting wasn't even a reasonable person to live with--wouldn't have made it in an egalitarian marriage either-- but women are not to work (cause she was too lazy to do so and found an out with God) are not to say no to their husbands on sex (though Ken suggests that was not always the case in their life) are not to use birth control (though she lied about using it when she did use it herself), were supposed to have a lot of kids (she had 4-- which is not a lot) no matter how poor (she is not poor, even if they did live in a trailer when they were first married and drove around in a handmedown mercedes) I can only assume her nasty tone that is aimed at feminists and while "instructing" other women to suck it up no matter how bad it gets and submit is the same one she used on Ken during the lousy years.

Ken assumes all women are as horrible as the one he married, which I suspect he thinks gives men the right to treat their wives badly and do the nonsensical bullshit relationship games he suggests.

I am still amazed that they have any legitimate following at all.

You nailed it!!! Lori doesn't live in reality and Ken surely must believe all wives are crazy and controlling like Lori. Thing is, it's pretty apparent who "wears the pants" in that family and it's NOT Ken! He may THINK he wears the pants, but I believe either Lori wants him to think that or she's deluding herself into believing she's the perfect little submissive wife. I guarantee you she's pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

[Tiger Lily]

Speaking of submission and difficult spouses...I've always wondered why the husbands never tell THEIR story.

Ken and Cabinet Man are always so thrilled to talk about how difficult their wives were but they never confess their own weaknesses. Ken never says that he could have been more available or more involved with his kids. He never says he could have been more attentive to his sick wife. Cabinet Man never talked about how horrible his porn addiction must have been for his wife other than to wave it off as "eh...lots of men do it."

Ken is always saying "Now that Lori is submissive....our marriage is wonderful." Well, I'd like to read about the mistakes HE corrected in HIMSELF. How was HE a lousy leader before and what did HE do to improve his marriage? This is what makes me so angry with these men - there is no humility in their story, no acknowledgment of their own need for improvement.

It always pissed me off when CM would minimize his porn addiction. He also never quite said what his wife's "rebellion" involved other than not giving him regular sex (which to him, might have meant more than 2-3x per week).

CM and Ken are both vain, arrogant, know-it-alls.

[formergothardite]

If Lori actually had to live the life she advocates which often is abused women, living in poverty, popping out child after child, well, she would be singing a whole different tune.

[polecat]

Didn't this bitch stop with 4 kids?

She did indeed, and add me to the list of people who're extremely grateful she did not have a SN child. I can see her being reasonably ok with a kid who had severe disabilities -- those kinds of disabilities are obvious and require a lot of outside help from professionals (or she'd have shipped the kid off to someone else to deal with). But can you imagine how she'd have treated a high-functioning child with Asperger's? A child with sensory issues? A child with ADD? She'd have "spanked harder." And harder and harder. It makes me cringe to even think of it.

assumes all women are as horrible as the one he married, which I suspect he thinks gives men the right to treat their wives badly and do the nonsensical bullshit relationship games he suggests.

I am still amazed that they have any legitimate following at all.

I've never once heard any man say he wants a woman to play games ... except for Ken. Lorken married the wrong partners, and they really do not get that their relationship is nothing like normal, typical healthy relationships, which is why Lorken has to have all these rules, requirements and games -- to keep it going. They make relationships so hard.

[jerkit]

"They make relationships so hard"

I think this really has to do with Lori using CTBHHM as her Bible. Debi Pearl advocates NEVER communicating with your spouse. She makes marriages 1000x harder because you can't talk about your issues, you just have to submit to his will. You can't ask questions, you just have to be silent.

[usmcmom]

"They make relationships so hard"

I think this really has to do with Lori using CTBHHM as her Bible. Debi Pearl advocates NEVER communicating with your spouse. She makes marriages 1000x harder because you can't talk about your issues, you just have to submit to his will. You can't ask questions, you just have to be silent.

This brought to mind a question that popped into my head the other night. My husband was snoring and when that happens we have a very effective routine. I put my hand on his shoulder and give him little nudge and he rolls to his side and stops snoring. If he happens to wake up, I say "You're snoring, please turn over."

I actually found myself wondering the other night if a submissive wife can do that. I know. I know. It's silly, but if a wife can't tell a husband when he's taken a wrong turn, or remind him to pick up the pizza, can she tell him to stop snoring?

[jerkit]

This brought to mind a question that popped into my head the other night. My husband was snoring and when that happens we have a very effective routine. I put my hand on his shoulder and give him little nudge and he rolls to his side and stops snoring. If he happens to wake up, I say "You're snoring, please turn over."

I actually found myself wondering the other night if a submissive wife can do that. I know. I know. It's silly, but if a wife can't tell a husband when he's taken a wrong turn, or remind him to pick up the pizza, can she tell him to stop snoring?

I would assume no.

[usmcmom]

I was thinking about how Ken would answer my question and I realized it would be about 23 paragraphs long. He would first tell us the percentage of men who snore, the percentage of women who are bothered by it, and the percentage of women who snore. He would tell us that snoring is really not an issue in America. He would defer to Lori to tell us what foods to eat to avoid snoring. And he would likely end with a declaration of how snoring is MANLY and prepares men for battle.

[salex]

Children make a poor man rich was likely an expression used when children were like slaves-- additional labor that could be used on the farm or in the mine or in the carpentry shop from the moment they were old enough to work-- and in some jobs that might have been 3 or 4. Never in the history of the world has news of a pregnancy been universally delightful to the parents, except in Lori's imagination.

IF children truly made a poor man rich, there would never have been The Orphan Trains .kancoll.org/articles/orphans/or_hist.htm

[Odd1Out]

Why doesn't commenter Holly get to have 'best sex ever' if her husband gets 3 strikes in a week? She's limited to a back rub. Hubby gets his choice if she gets three strikes.

[littlemommy]

Why doesn't commenter Holly get to have 'best sex ever' if her husband gets 3 strikes in a week? She's limited to a back rub. Hubby gets his choice if she gets three strikes.

According to Lori and Ken he should get his choice even without any strikes, right? :?

[EmiGirl]

Why doesn't commenter Holly get to have 'best sex ever' if her husband gets 3 strikes in a week? She's limited to a back rub. Hubby gets his choice if she gets three strikes.

Not to mention that women don't enjoy sex

[usmcmom]

Hubby and I had a very pleasant evening last night :wink-kitty: :wink-kitty: and neither of us had even reached three strikes.

We must be doing something wrong.

[FloraKitty35]

Ken and Lori need to be dropped somewhere that is not as nice as they are accustomed to, with no phones, wallets, nothing, except the clothes on their backs. I am thinking parts of Chester, PA, or Camden, NJ, or Wilmington, DE.

Here is an article from Philadelphia Magazine about Wilmington and its crime rate. (link not broken).

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/03/2 ... y-country/

[SquirrelySquirrel]

I was thinking about how Ken would answer my question and I realized it would be about 23 paragraphs long. He would first tell us the percentage of men who snore, the percentage of women who are bothered by it, and the percentage of women who snore. He would tell us that snoring is really not an issue in America. He would defer to Lori to tell us what foods to eat to avoid snoring. And he would likely end with a declaration of how snoring is MANLY and prepares men for battle.

:lol: I'd say you nailed it!

And I'm envious that you can make your headship stop. I end up on the couch a lot to refrain from smothering the hubs with a pillow. I'm sure the misogynist brigade would have a field day coming up with my punishments for daring to remove myself from the marital bed!

[EmiGirl]

:lol: I'd say you nailed it!

And I'm envious that you can make your headship stop. I end up on the couch a lot to refrain from smothering the hubs with a pillow. I'm sure the misogynist brigade would have a field day coming up with my punishments for daring to remove myself from the marital bed!

I just keep waking him up until he removes himself from t he marital bed. I'm really going to Hell.

[usmcmom]

:lol: I'd say you nailed it!

And I'm envious that you can make your headship stop. I end up on the couch a lot to refrain from smothering the hubs with a pillow. I'm sure the misogynist brigade would have a field day coming up with my punishments for daring to remove myself from the marital bed!

That's funny because just he other day he said "Did I snore a lot last night?" And I said "Yeah; even on your side, which is why you woke up with a pillow on your face." :lol: :lol: I usually don't leave the marriage bed but I sure do lie there and try to make him feel my angry face glaring at him in the dark :evil:

[usmcmom]

I just keep waking him up until he removes himself from t he marital bed. I'm really going to Hell.

I'm with you! If one of us is going to leave the bed, it's going to be the one causing the disturbance. The kids are gone now so I will sometimes suggest he go to one of their beds. *nudge, nudge...please go to (insert kid's name here) bed* He can sleep anywhere so it doesn't bother him at all.

[lawfulevil]

I've made this joke before, kind of, but I stand by it:

The best sex ever for Lori is when she goes to bed early and Ken fucks the horse she rode in on.

[formergothardite]

Why doesn't commenter Holly get to have 'best sex ever' if her husband gets 3 strikes in a week? She's limited to a back rub. Hubby gets his choice if she gets three strikes.

Because for Ken and Lori sex is a tool that women use to manipulate their husbands.

If I treated my husband the way Ken and Lori say that a wife should he would he would think that there was something wrong with me and it would pretty much kill my marriage.

[salex]

Because for Ken and Lori sex is a tool that women use to manipulate their husbands.

If I treated my husband the way Ken and Lori say that a wife should he would he would think that there was something wrong with me and it would pretty much kill my marriage.

We have to remember, Ken has some weird issues about back rubs. He views giving them as punishment to dole out to a rebellious wife and similar to christ dying on the cross in how a husband might sacrifice for his wife.....

I have not figured out if he finds touching her repellent if he isn't having sex with her or what the deal is. I wonder if he has a clue that many people give one another back rubs for the fun of it, and don't view blow jobs as punishment, but as part of a normal love life?

[Koala]

Lori's daily bitch and moan:

I can't even write about spanking your children {training them to obey} anymore without getting blasted and called a child abuser.

Well bless your vile little heart....it must be a real burden to not be able to talk about hitting kids without the internet being mean to you. :roll:

Too many fathers are working hours every day for the almighty dollar causing their wives to raise the children {if the mother is even home. If not, nannies or someone else is raising them.}

Isn't this exactly what she was arguing FOR the other day? Let the father work 2 or 3 jobs, just so long as the mother never has to set foot out of the house.

And nannies raising the kids? That is truly rich coming from Lori, who wrote the following under a facebook photo:

Lucy was a Nanny sent from heaven who never wanted to let Cassi cry, so she held her hours a day.

Women are slowly taking over all the institutions that use to be held by men ~ church and government leadership positions, doctors, etc. Even universities are mostly attended by women now.

Criminals are hardly punished anymore. Instead, innocent babies in the womb are being slaughtered daily because they may cause hardship on a mother.

Schools are filled with misbehaved children since most children run the home now. There are few fathers in the home and parents are afraid of their children since they don't discipline them properly.

Parents afraid of their children????? :o How backwards is that???? It's supposed to be the other way around, right Lori???

My children definitely feared us growing up

I think they were actually afraid of me, which I don't necessarily think is bad.

Too many children have no fear of their parents