Lori Alexander is a Fucking Monster

[Claddagh]

Kids aren't little robots! Encouraging them to be their own person is a healthy thing to do.

Mom spanked me as a kid and it didn't teach me a damn thing.

Dad remembers his father once beating him because Dad stole a quarter from his wallet. His mother freaked out and called the police. She then told her husband if he ever laid a hand on the children again she'd have his head on the wall.

What are you thoughts on the "Why?" phase. Both of my 3-year-olds have started this to the extreme after EVERYTHING we tell them to do or not to do. How did you handle this phase?

Tell them they are not allowed to ask that. It is just a manipulation tool they are using. Tell them one time that they obey you because you are their parents. Period. You are the authority in their lives and the sooner they learn to obey you without arguing, the easier it will be for them to obey all the other authority they will have in their lives.

If you don't answer the little things they won't come to you with the big things. Saying "I'm your parent so you must obey me" is manipulation just like the type Lori condems.

What kid doesn't go through the "why?" phase?

[mlady]

Everything is "rebellion" with these people isn't it?

[dairyfreelife]

Random idiot:

Lori's answer?

Wait, what?

That's so fucked up. Seriously, Lori? Seriously? I can't even-just no.

I showed my father, who spanked us sometimes, though rarely, the question. I think he spanked because he was spanked and he didn't know much different on discipline honestly and admits to never liking spanking, but thought that's what would work best sometimes since everyone he knew growing up was sometimes disciplined that way.

He said, "Do they not know what a phase means? They're just curious about everything. It eases up as they learn to discover answers for themselves more."

I showed him Lori's response: He has left wide-eyed and speechless and used a few choice expletives to describe her answer. So I had him read a little of the Pearl's first chapter offline. He called them disturbed and abusive and I told him about the deaths as well and he wants to know why their asses aren't in jail. Normal people agree that the Pearls and their followers like Lori are the most fucked up people on this planet.

If there's any sort of hell-type afterlife, I hope Lori rots there along with the Pearls. They deserve nothing less. No sympathy.

[Koala]

It just keeps getting worse:

Random idiot that used to abuse her kids with wooden spoons and wonders if she should go back to it:

I can relate to the wooden spoon story, and yes i agree it works. I would only have to open the kitchen cabinet were the wooden spoons were kept and my children quickly chose to obey. My children were the ages of 2-7 years of age, and for some reason i stopped spanking them. I felt that my children were getting too big for spankings. Now my kids are ages nine and ten and they run the house. I could share stories with you, but you probably wouldn't believe it, that's how unbelievably disrespectful my two children are.My question is this. Do you feel that a child can out grow the need for a spanking? How old is too old?

PS~Take a close look at the ages. First they were 2-7. Now hey are 9-10. How does that work out? :evil-eye:

Lori's vile reply:

We hardly had to spank after 5 years old because they obeyed us. I would still spank at 7 and 9 years old to let them know I meant business. It has to be hard enough to hurt. Pain is a great teacher. You will probably only have to do it a couple of times if it hurts enough. They will obey you then rather than get spanked again. You must not let them run the house anymore. It will only get worse and harder to discipline as they get older.

This woman is advocating abuse. Pure and simple.

[dairyfreelife]

I decided to respond to Brit, but I doubt it will be approved by Lori:

Please don't believe that it's manipulation. They are learning about this whole new world and that includes why they have to do things. If they ask why, tell them why. If they continue to ask, just say you already told them. It usually ends it. Enjoy this time with your preschoolers. They are learning and discovering so much about the world around them. Please don't squash that desire. You may have future scientists on your hand. Who knows? All those whys now may lead to a child who cures cancer later.

[lilith]

Lori has already established herself as a big supporter of spanking and the Pearls. I know the Pearls aren't the only ones who support spanking and have written books about it. Out of all the fundie bloggers we discuss here, I think Lori is the one who discusses spanking the most. Zsu has talked about it several times, but I don't think she discusses as frequently as Lori does. I also can't think of any other fundie blogger who frequently discusses spanking like Lori does.

Zsuzsanna supports spanking and has written about it in passing and when she finds it relevant, but she doesn't constantly post about how everyone should spank kids all the time like Lori does. It's only ever mentioned in the context of their day to day life.

Not that that makes it any better for her kids when they are dragged out to the van to be hit, but I don't think the Andersons obsess over or enjoy corporal punishment like Lori does. I can't imagine Zsuzsanna beating her kids for a case of constant three year old "whys".

[noni alabaster]

Just checking in. I have a nephew on the way. I think I should tell my sister-in-law that Lori Alexander is a Fucking Monster, and she should steer clear of her blog.

[noni alabaster]

It just keeps getting worse:

Random idiot that used to abuse her kids with wooden spoons and wonders if she should go back to it:

PS~Take a close look at the ages. First they were 2-7. Now hey are 9-10. How does that work out? :evil-eye:

Lori's vile reply:

This woman is advocating abuse. Pure and simple.

She is the worst kind of sub. Do what thou whilst, and whatnot, but it doesn't change the fact that

Lori Alexander is a Fucking Monster.

[Handmaiden of Dog]

Mom spanked me as a kid and it didn't teach me a damn thing.

My mother routinely slapped me for being sullen. Guess what, slapping your kid won't put a genuine smile on her face or turn her into a ray of sunshine. My mother hit us with anything handy including wooden spoons, ping pong paddles, and hairbrushes. It didn't stop my brother from growing up to be a drug addict and alcoholic. And it never did cure me of my sullenness-- at least when I am around her.

My husband's mother made her kids go get a switch and they got beat with that. It didn't stop my husband from becoming a pot head and an atheist. Fortunately he grew out of his drug phase but he never went back to religion. Beatings don't do a damn thing except cause your child to become secretive and teach them to become better liars. Sure they might "obey" you but they won't do it willingly or joyfully or because it is the right thing to do-- they will only do it out of pain avoidance. What the hell kind of lesson is that?

[RosyDaisy]

I so want to witness the day Karma comes back to bite Lori on the ass! She is an evil devil's spawn!

[curlytoes79]

I realize spanking a child is very controversial in today's climate. However, I will always teach what the Bible teaches regardless of what "the experts" are saying.

Holy shit, nobody show her Deuteronomy 21:18-21!

[Rowan]

If you don't answer the little things they won't come to you with the big things. Saying "I'm your parent so you must obey me" is manipulation just like the type Lori condems.

What kid doesn't go through the "why?" phase?

How ironic that just this week I am starting a Masters in an Advanced Inquiry Program. Inquiry = learning through asking questions and discovering/finding the answers. In the informational session, it was described as the way little kids naturally learn. This is an accredited educational program based around that one simple question.

But "Why?" is manipulative?

Why is that? Lori Alexander is Fucking Monster.

Why should kids be spanked? Lori Alexander is a Fucking Monster.

Why is instant obedience so important? Lori Alexander is a Fucking Monster.

Wow, 6 words that explain so much!

[thoughtful]

Might I suggest "Lori Alexander is a monster," so that anyone with profanity filtering still gets to learn that Lori Alexander is a monster.

[noni alabaster]

Certainly. That seems fair, enough.

[FreeJosie]

Lori Alexander is a monster.

Lori Alexander is a fucking monster!

She is horrifying; just evil.

[Freebird]

My son - now 11 - is ADD - on a fairly severe level - has an IEP at school, etc. When he was a preschooler I would have people - friends and family mainly - ALL the time, tell me how I needed to spank him, to "get control of him" but all it did was show him that it was ok to hit, and it just increased both our frustration levels. Every kid is different, but for him 123 Magic worked great.

Now, that said, if I am crossing a busy parking lot, and my 2 year old tries to wiggle her hand, out of mine, and I am unable to pick her up, you better believe that she will most likely get a little pop on the rump....but this is not the norm.

[GeoBQn]

It gets worse.

Christel

Thank you... I needed to read this. My daughter is 19 months old and she is beggining to run from me when I ask her to come and to also scream and throw temper tantrums when I take something away or tell her 'no'. My husband says I need to discipline her more because she knows what she is doing but I am not sure how to start. I have started spanking her with my hand but it doesnt really make a difference. Maybe I will try the spoon idea... I hate spanking with my hand. It really stresses me out to think about causing her pain though. I was abused (hit, kicked, strangled) often as a young child and I do not want to hurt my daughter.

Lori Alexander

You will cause her much more pain if you allow her to scream and throw temper tantrums. Short term pain for long term gain. This is my experience with spanking my children. Sure, it wasn't easy. It's difficult but we refused to have disobedient, misbehaved children.

This woman probably had memories of the abuse she suffered triggered by reading Lori's post, and Lori just goes on telling her to abuse her daughter. Lori has the fucking gall to say that the little girl will be in more pain NOT being abused.

[AnywhereButHere]

There seems to be a common theme in the responses, of women who can't control their kids. I wonder if that isn't, in part, because they have no power in their home. If the general idea is that the man is the head of the house and chief decision maker, then I'm sure that perception funnels down to the kids. Why listen to mommy when she isn't worth anything? Spanking is fast, easy and gives the women a false sense of control if only for a moment.

Sorry, it's late here, and I may not be making a whole lot of sense, because this sounded much clearer in my head...

[Jeneric Duggar]

"GeoBQn"It gets worse.

Christel:

"Thank you... I needed to read this. My daughter is 19 months old and she is beggining to run from me when I ask her to come and to also scream and throw temper tantrums when I take something away or tell her 'no'. My husband says I need to discipline her more because she knows what she is doing but I am not sure how to start. I have started spanking her with my hand but it doesnt really make a difference. Maybe I will try the spoon idea... I hate spanking with my hand. It really stresses me out to think about causing her pain though. I was abused (hit, kicked, strangled) often as a young child and I do not want to hurt my daughter."

Strangled? Who the hell strangles a kid to discipline it (except Homer Simpson)?

Lori Alexander is a monster.

Edited because I am still struggling with pronunciation.

[clarinetpower]

Only one teensy problem: there's a porn star called Lori Anderson. Apparently, she is fucking a lot of things.

[wayward]

Only one teensy problem: there's a porn star called Lori Anderson. Apparently, she is fucking a lot of things.

Is she also doing BDSM things? Because that would sort of fit.

[Jeneric Duggar]

Only one teensy problem: there's a porn star called Lori Anderson. Apparently, she is fucking a lot of things.

I'll bet she'll be really pissed off when she finds out about 'our' Lori Anderson (who is a monster). Talk about giving someone a bad name.

[AVENues]

Lori is a fucking monster. We tell children we don't hit, as adults we can't go around hitting other adults that piss us off, but no for some reason hitting a child is acceptable as discipline?

Especially that there are huge differences in strengths and body sizes between the two "opponents".

[julie paradox]

Now, that said, if I am crossing a busy parking lot, and my 2 year old tries to wiggle her hand, out of mine, and I am unable to pick her up, you better believe that she will most likely get a little pop on the rump....but this is not the norm.

Okay, I'm not picking on you or anything, but this is something that's been bugging me.

How will that help?

When we had the smacking discussion before children, my husband brought up the scenario of child attempting to put fingers in the plug socket, as an example of a time when smacking was the only sensible response. Now, leaving aside the minor detail that I have never seen either of my children (or their small friends or cousins) show the remotest interest in the plug socket, I could never understand why smacking the hand was better than taking hold of it and moving it out of the way.

Lori Alexander is a Monster.

(Then you get the parents who think that even physically restraining a small child is abusive. I'm... unconvinced.)

ETA: and I've just remembered the whole reins argument. Wasn't an issue for me - I remembered my brother wearing them, I bought some, both boys wore them no problem at all - then I discovered that they are apparently degrading. But as someone on a newsgroup posted, "I'd rather have a degraded child than a dead one."

[Koala]

Someone told her they thought what she was suggesting sounded harsh. Her reply:

Hi Jason, It wasn't harsh at all. A few swats on a bare bottom to have obedient children is not harsh but very biblical. It has worked for centuries.

Oh my god I feel so horrible for her children and grandchildren now. There is something really wrong with this woman. :cry:

Also, Lori will struggle to locate a Bible verse to back up the specifics she just gave. Vile woman came up with that in her own head.