(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 44 - Fate in the hands of the jury

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 minute ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

so we speculated that they were paid off.

If the money came from JB they were paid, not paid off.

[Jana814]

46 minutes ago, yeahthatsme74 said:

Stress shopping here! 🙋‍♀️ Just spent over $100 when I went in for milk. I got cheesecake! 

I’m getting my Covid booster on Friday. I almost stressed shopped today!  

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, waltraute said:

I will not be calling him Pest. Pest sounds like a young sibling who won't stop annoying. Josh is a dangerous, abusive criminal. In my mind Pest minimizes his abhorrent actions.

Yes!  I have never thought of him as “Pest.”  Even when I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about the molestation (he was a teen, it was all over clothes, the curiosity of the under-informed, etc.),  I thought “Pest” was too mild.  “Smuggar” works much better, but I think of him as, “the Slimeball.”

[ContrastingButtons]

Just now, QuiverFullofBooks said:

We don’t know, and we don’t even know for sure that it happened, do we? They bought a house despite being unemployed right when they became estranged from the Duggars, so we speculated that they were paid off.

No, we know they were paid.  They took JB to court to be paid for their work.  They commented (maybe on one of their YouTube videos?) that the amount they were awarded for their work on the show ended up being about/a little under minimum wage.  They definitely were compensated by JB in the end. 

[MedicineWoman]

10 minutes ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

I have just picked up on an interesting point made by the defence regarding the thumb drive.

"He added that the government played disturbing images and videos that didn't come off the device but from a thumb drive from Washington, DC, from other cases" 

 

I think that that was a straight up lie that they did not demonstrate any evidence for during the defense yesterday

[EmiSue]

Just now, SongRed7 said:

GUYS! Bolding mine.  this is key...Josh admitted to putting up the partition...

PLEASE let this be enough for a freaking guilty verdict!!! Hurry up already! 

[Hane]

Glad I can join the stress-dessert-eating crew courtesy of the blueberry galette I made today!

[karenb4729]

3 minutes ago, Phyllis_Stein said:

Based on the jury's request, it appears that they are being thorough with the details, and probably won't return a verdict today. 

Does anyone know how it works with the people who came to watch the trial? Are they allowed to sit there all day waiting for a verdict?

I don't know how it is with the people watching, but with the defendants and prosecution they usually go on about their day and then will receive a phone call when the jury reaches it verdict.  At least that's been my experience.

[3KidsAndStopped]

1 minute ago, MedicineWoman said:

I think that that was a straight up lie that they did not demonstrate any evidence for during the defense yesterday

Is DC not an odd choice if it is a straight up lie? 

[yeahthatsme74]

1 minute ago, Jana814 said:

I’m getting my Covid booster on Friday. I almost stressed shopped today!  

I get mine tomorrow morning. 😊

[Father Son Holy Goat]

Does asking to rehear something mean there’s a hold out on the jury?

[HideousGreenShirt]

48 minutes ago, yeahthatsme74 said:

Stress shopping here! 🙋‍♀️ Just spent over $100 when I went in for milk. I got cheesecake! 

I misread this TWICE that you spent $100 on cheesecake and thought "damn. Worth it" both times. 

[Ashley Ocean]

I was on a jury for a criminal (not federal) trial. We deliberated past the dinner hour and reached a verdict at around 10:30 pm. They called everyone back to courtroom, which took a bit of time. We didn't get released until nearly midnight. Oddly, we had to walk back to our cars in the parking garage unescorted, as the very upset family members of the guy we just pronounced guilty were also walking to their cars. Anyway, we went well past business hours. It was a Friday evening. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 minute ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

Is DC not an odd choice if it is a straight up lie? 

That would be the HQ of DHS.  So not really, I think they're implying planted evidence from other investigations.

[SassyPants]

4 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

We don’t know, and we don’t even know for sure that it happened, do we? They bought a house despite being unemployed right when they became estranged from the Duggars, so we speculated that they were paid off.

And DD started law school too. It had to have been a payout. How did you secure a mortgage without any means of support? I’m assuming they used the money to buy the house cash.

[Shrubbery]

1 minute ago, yeahthatsme74 said:

I get mine tomorrow morning. 😊

Me too! 
 

(Which is yet another reason why I ought to get some sleep now and not hit refresh all the time …)

[imokit]

1 hour ago, waltraute said:

I will not be calling him Pest. Pest sounds like a young sibling who won't stop annoying. Josh is a dangerous, abusive criminal. In my mind Pest minimizes his abhorrent actions.

I'm hoping that soon we'll be able to call him pedo.

[vicky3vicky]

I've been toilet hugging  and crying for 2 hours now. Am I the only one who feels-emotionaly, not intellectually- that a conviction for the monster will feel as though it is, over a half century later, myself, FINALLY being believed?

[ContrastingButtons]

2 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

Does asking to rehear something mean there’s a hold out on the jury?

No, not at all.  

[Galbin]

4 minutes ago, ContrastingButtons said:

No, we know they were paid.  They took JB to court to be paid for their work.  They commented (maybe on one of their YouTube videos?) that the amount they were awarded for their work on the show ended up being about/a little under minimum wage.  They definitely were compensated by JB in the end. 

Do you have a link to that? Thanks.

[OldFadedStar]

Just now, SassyPants said:

And DD started law school too. It had to have been a payout. How did you secure a mortgage without any means of support? I’m assuming they used the money to buy the house cash.

I mean that’s pretty smart actually. It sets them up for the future

[Shrubbery]

1 minute ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That would be the HQ of DHS.  So not really, I think they're implying planted evidence from other investigations.

You mean, straight from the stockroom at Hilary’s pizza parlour?

[3KidsAndStopped]

2 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That would be the HQ of DHS.  So not really, I think they're implying planted evidence from other investigations.

Ah I see, I was thinking of another connection entirely thank you.

I am in awe of how much they can learn from devices, the time stamps etc. Fascinating, especially when one struggles to set the clock on the oven 🤣

Edited December 8, 2021 by 3KidsAndStopped

[MedicineWoman]

1 minute ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

Does asking to rehear something mean there’s a hold out on the jury?

No, it's normal for the jury to ask to look over evidence. It means they are taking their job seriously and the evidence they asked for helps the prosecution

[Rowan]

2 minutes ago, yeahthatsme74 said:

I get mine tomorrow morning. 😊

Tomorrow afternoon. Of course my work rescheduled a meeting to start about fifteen minutes before I need to leave. Sorry, not missing that shot. 

They need to hurry up with the under 5s shots too. My two year old desperately wants to “go to doctor get shot vackine.”

And the jury needs to decide. The correct decision of course!