(CW: Possible CSA) Josh & Anna 37: Saving the Cocktail Dresses for Court

[Sops2]

If and when the jury find Josh guilty at the end of the trial, what happens then?

Does the judge announce his sentence and Josh gets led away to begin his prison time- or does the judge consider what the sentence should be while Josh is still free but under supervision at the Rebers .

Does he come  back to court another date to be sentenced?

Can he appeal and put off being put in jail?

 

 

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[SPHASH]

Like I said before any sympathy I had for Anna went out the door after Ashley Madison.  Difference between her and the Turpin kids is that Anna is a lot more worldly than them.  The fact that Jennifer Turpin who had little contact with the outside world was able to escape and Anna won't speaks volumes about Anna. 

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[3KidsAndStopped]

I honestly believe the level to which Anna is under Josh's control and unable to critically question her life is summed up in calling her child Madyson. I think that says it all really.

[formergothardite]

She is an adult. An adult who has lived a life that has exposed her to more worldly things than many, many other fundies who made their way out of horrible situations. As @nelliebelle1197likes to remind us with Amy in the Rod threads, these people have agency and can and do make decisions. There is zero sign that Anna is incapable of adult thinking. If people are going to babify  Anna then they need to do it for all these fundie mothers including Jill Rod. Are we really not going to hold any of these adult women responsible for their actions? None of them? Is that really what people are saying? 
 

Yes she was raised brainwashed, well, so were lots of other people including a fundie wife who left her pedophile husband. Yes, life leaving Josh will be hard for Anna, but she absolutely could do it. I bet the outpouring of support for her from around the world would be astounding. She is in a much better position to leave then some other fundies I know who have left terrible situations. 

[Idlewild]

And don’t forget when Anna was in DC she retweeted an article calling into question gay people as parents - now long deleted, but shows she thinks others are abusive parents.

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

And don’t forget when Anna was in DC she retweeted an article calling into question gay people as parents - now long deleted, but shows she thinks others are abusive parents.

Yes, a loving home with a good parent or parents is so bad..... having a pedophile for a husband and father.... golden. 

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[Jackie3]

53 minutes ago, SPHASH said:

Like I said before any sympathy I had for Anna went out the door after Ashley Madison.  Difference between her and the Turpin kids is that Anna is a lot more worldly than them.  The fact that Jennifer Turpin who had little contact with the outside world was able to escape and Anna won't speaks volumes about Anna. 

The difference between Anna and the Turpin kids is that the Turpin kids were beaten, starved, denied an education and chained to their beds. Anna was not. The Turpins were abused children, Anna was not an abused child.

Why did Jennifer leave and Anna has not? That's easy. First of all, the Turpin children had a situation that was far more terrible than Anna's. They may not have survived much  longer. Anna, OTOH, is pretty comfortable in terms of food, clothing, housing, medical care etc. Secondly, Jennifer's world was so awful she had nothing to lose. Anna, in contrast, will lose her whole community. Thirdly, Jennifer had learned that her parents were wrong. Anna has not learned this. Finally, if Anna wants a divorce, she'll need a lawyer, have to make custody arrangments, get support, etc--it's a big deal.  In contrast, Jordan was just about old enough to leave home anyway, and there's no legal procedure required to do so.

[formergothardite]

Some of the people who participated in that one horrific video Josh downloaded and some who didn't participate but brought the creator of the video young girls were teens. They were tried and put in jail. They were teenagers who had known nothing but abuse. Teenagers who were desperate. They are being held responsible for their decisions. Anna whose life is positively charmed compared to these teens can absolutely be held responsible for the choices she made. 

The idea that Anna is some special snowflake who can't be held responsible for the things she does is ridiculous. She is a very privileged grown ass woman who after it came out her husband had molested his sisters whined about not getting to be on TV. That tells us what her priorities are. 

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[SassyPants]

31 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

She is an adult. An adult who has lived a life that has exposed her to more worldly things than many, many other fundies who made their way out of horrible situations. As @nelliebelle1197likes to remind us with Amy in the Rod threads, these people have agency and can and do make decisions. There is zero sign that Anna is incapable of adult thinking. If people are going to babify  Anna then they need to do it for all these fundie mothers including Jill Rod. Are we really not going to hold any of these adult women responsible for their actions? None of them? Is that really what people are saying? 
 

Yes she was raised brainwashed, well, so were lots of other people including a fundie wife who left her pedophile husband. Yes, life leaving Josh will be hard for Anna, but she absolutely could do it. I bet the outpouring of support for her from around the world would be astounding. She is in a much better position to leave then some other fundies I know who have left terrible situations. 

I hope you are right. I hope that Anna can leave the Duggars, all of them. She needs to do better for her children. Truly, I don’t think that Anna believes that she can do it. Hell, I was educated, worked PT while raising my 2 kids, along with a husband who had a good job and helped, and it was hard. I can’t imagine being an uneducated single mother to 7. It would be extremely difficult. I would never act as if it wasn’t. 

[libgirl2]

5 minutes ago, Jackie3 said:

The difference between Anna and the Turpin kids is that the Turpin kids were beaten, starved, denied an education and chained to their beds. Anna was not. The Turpins were abused children, Anna was not an abused child.

Why did Jennifer leave and Anna has not? That's easy. First of all, the Turpin children had a situation that was far more terrible than Anna's. They may not have survived much  longer. Anna, OTOH, is pretty comfortable in terms of food, clothing, housing, medical care etc. Secondly, Jennifer's world was so awful she had nothing to lose. Anna, in contrast, will lose her whole community. Thirdly, Jennifer had learned that her parents were wrong. Anna has not learned this. Finally, if Anna wants a divorce, she'll need a lawyer, have to make custody arrangments, get support, etc--it's a big deal.  In contrast, Jordan was just about old enough to leave home anyway, and there's no legal procedure required to do so.

Excellent point. The Turpin children were victims (and some still seem to be). They had very little exposure to the outside world besides and occasional Disney or Vegas trip. They were chained up, starved, beaten, physically and emotionally abused, they were near death.

Anna has a full stomach, a warm bed, plenty of clean clothes... in her mind, she has too much to lose. So she is willing to sell the lives of her children, their safety and her own soul. I don't think God would want her to stay with a pedophile. Its kind of like the Mafia wife who knows her husband is stealing and committing various crimes, but she is willing to look the other way because she likes all the good things she has. I honestly think Anna doesn't want to give up the life and do something that would take some courage. 

I think Jordan and Jennifer Turpin have more guts in their little fingers than Anna has in her whole body.  

[SassyPants]

Necessity is the mother of all inventions. Anna and family are cared for, and so she likely doesn’t feel like she needs to do anything.

I’d assume Starvation and beatings are great catalysts for change.

[libgirl2]

22 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

 

The idea that Anna is some special snowflake who can't be held responsible for the things she does is ridiculous. She is a very privileged grown ass woman who after it came out her husband had molested his sisters whined about not getting to be on TV. That tells us what her priorities are. 

i think I felt bad for her the first time around. I don't know how much she knew when she went into that marriage but she honestly did seem quite shaken up. I was willing to somewhat give her a pass. I'm done. If she loved her kids so much, she would walk over glass or hot coals for them. 

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[ven]

My thoughts: is it possible that anna is having a little internal party?  now that she is close to getting rid of josh without loosing money nor respect nor her support system,  no more babies !!! Maybe that girl smiles lovingly at him and thinks good riddance you bastard. I can somehow not imagin he was not abusive and controlling to her. 

[libgirl2]

3 minutes ago, ven said:

My thoughts: is it possible that anna is having a little internal party?  now that she is close to getting rid of josh without loosing money nor respect nor her support system,  no more babies !!! Maybe that girl smiles lovingly at him and thinks good riddance you bastard. I can somehow not imagin he was not abusive and controlling to her. 

It would be the only way she could get away from him and still be "godly". I doubt it though. 

[Irishy]

Anna stays because she still believes he can change. Like with all coercive control, Josh shows her moments, days, perhaps longer of kindness and being the perfect husband. This is the cruelest thing of all because it makes her believe that he can be like that all the time. If only she behaves better, prays harder, looks prettier, etc etc etc. Like all victims of control and emotional abuse, she feels responsible for his actions and her cult certainly isn’t contradicting that. 

[libgirl2]

19 minutes ago, Irishy said:

Anna stays because she still believes he can change. Like with all coercive control, Josh shows her moments, days, perhaps longer of kindness and being the perfect husband. This is the cruelest thing of all because it makes her believe that he can be like that all the time. If only she behaves better, prays harder, looks prettier, etc etc etc. Like all victims of control and emotional abuse, she feels responsible for his actions and her cult certainly isn’t contradicting that. 

Perhaps.... we will never know for sure unless she does break free and does an interview or writes a book. 

[formergothardite]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

Perhaps.... we will never know for sure unless she does break free and does an interview or writes a book. 

Exactly. We don’t know why she stays. It could be a combination of things or just one thing. Until she says something all we can know is that she has made the decisions to stand by and support a man accused of downloading some of the worst stuff on the internet. I can think of lots of reasons she might make that choice, but in the end she has options and for whatever reason Anna chose the support the child predator option.

 

[libgirl2]

27 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

Exactly. We don’t know why she stays. It could be a combination of things or just one thing. Until she says something all we can know is that she has made the decisions to stand by and support a man accused of downloading some of the worst stuff on the internet. I can think of lots of reasons she might make that choice, but in the end she has options and for whatever reason Anna chose the support the child predator option.

 

Whatever her reasons, he is a child predator and she has small children. I just couldn't. 

[Ilovebrownies]

She doesn’t have a life while under JB’s control.  She could totally support herself and her kids with a tell all and you know that is what JB fears.

[Chickenbutt]

No phones, laptops allowed at Josh Duggar child porn trial (msn.com)

Nothing too exciting, just the judge issuing an order that no phones, laptops or recording devices allowed in the courtroom during trial. 

 

[PinkGreyBrown]

23 hours ago, Letgo said:

The hash would be genius! Great way to track where the images go. Someone would still have to pay for those images though. Does one use a credit card to purchase this garbage? Paypal? Venmo? I would think that following the money ought to lead to the purchaser of the images/video. Or at the very least to someone who could point a finger at the person-in case someone else's credit card was borrowed "because I left mine at home."

Agree with the others that Josh probably did not pay, but: crypto-currencies are for doing crimes, fwtw. Noting, tho', that (hilariously) crypto's nowhere near as anonymous as is widely assumed. If the user is not meticulous, crypto-currencies leave a trail.

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[EmCatlyn]

4 hours ago, SPHASH said:

Like I said before any sympathy I had for Anna went out the door after Ashley Madison.  Difference between her and the Turpin kids is that Anna is a lot more worldly than them.  The fact that Jennifer Turpin who had little contact with the outside world was able to escape and Anna won't speaks volumes about Anna. 

It was Jordan Turpin who escaped and dialed 911.  Jennifer is the older sister, who provided support and some help.

[patsymae]

If the reports I read (just Googling shit) are accurate, not only Anna, with her new infant, but her effin' MOTHER, were at JB's campaign launch party. Anna is full shit on board.
JB's campaign message is the the evil Left is trying to "cancel" his family because they have some problems, like any other family, but that will not keep him and family from proclaiming their righteousness.

IMO, Anna is totally on board with this. Josh has "a problem" just like all the other eleventy billion people in the world have problems, and he's getting picked on because he's a famous righteous person the "woke Left," or commies or whatever, want to prosecute. She could watch the whole content of his devices and still believe its a frame up. Plus, as someone said, if the children in the CSAM aren't white (no idea if they are or not), I don't think she would even wince. 

Anna is hell bent on being Meech 2.0. All the trips around the world, exposure to accomplished people in DC, seeing even her own siblings break the rules and live, won't change that. I see her 10 down years the road with a singing troup of Little Duggars doing a prison ministry.

[EmCatlyn]

Jordan Turpin is an exceptional young woman.  She had older sisters and brothers who didn’t try to escape. (The one who did, Jennifer at age 14, failed.)  

I am not trying to defend Anna, but I think in general we should avoid pointing at the exceptional “success” and asking why others can’t be more like that.  Not everyone is equally strong, smart, lucky.  If she had been one of the Turpins, Anna would have stayed and be starved and beaten.  (One of the Turpin sisters between Jennifer and Jordan was a sort of “Anna.”  At their parents’ sentencing she was the only one who said she wanted to see her parents again.) 

My impression of Jordan Turpin is that in addition to being exceptionally smart, she had the good fortune of having some protection/guidance from Jennifer and to make good use of it. She was not “brainwashed.”   Her parents terrorized and tortured her and her siblings, but they don’t seem to have succeeded in making most of the kids believe that what the parents did was right.  Maybe the physical abuse and starvation caused them to question.  Anna seems incapable of questioning.

I have said before that I hold Anna responsible for not leaving especially because her choice to stay after the Ashley Madison scandal brought more kids into the family.   However, I don’t think it is fair to say, “If Jordan could leave her nightmare parents, why can’t Anna leave Josh?” The situations and the people are very different.

Jordan felt in fear of her life.  If she could escape, maybe things would get better. They could hardly get worse.

Anna’s situation is tolerable for her.  It does not appear to be perceived as abusive by her.  She does not seem to be particularly courageous, though she seems to be pretty stubborn. She is not particularly bright.  She does not seem to recognize that her kids are at risk.  Things could get worse, and that may be her greatest fear, to turn a “bad thing into a disaster.” (We may think it is already a disaster, but apparently she doesn’t.)

Again, none of this excuses her, if her children are hurt.  I am just trying to examine some of the differences between Jordan and Anna.

[AussieKrissy]

Just a question did anyone on the Turpin thread (if there is one) do a recap of the interview. I don’t think I can stomach the triggers watching it but I think I could read a recap.