[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh&Anna 28:Does anyone wonder how many times JB has phoned up Mike Huckabee?

[ma_demoiselle]

3 minutes ago, bettertomarry said:

Speculation bus: Any chance Jill is there to testify?

Definitely possible. The prosecution might call on a former victim to show that Josh is a credible threat to the community and to justify denying him bail.

[Galbin]

Testimony from second witness is up. I wish I knew how to screenshot from Reddit, but the proposed minders are a pastor and VA worker, Mr Reaver, along with his wife.

Probation officer is recommending Josh not be released. The judge is concerned about Josh's past history of SA.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Galbin
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[Nutella Ace]

According to that Reddit poster Mr. LaCount Reaver and Ms. Maria Reaver are the proposed third party custodians... do we know anything about them?

[purple_summer]

2 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I can’t help but find this part very believable. 

Chaotic good

[jakesykora]

Second witness testimony thread has been added now, as well, by the person viewing on the stream summarizing after watching and posting on reddit.

I'm not sure how you do the spoiler thing so I'll let someone else bring it over who can.

It includes proposed 3rd parties to babysit Josh.

Edited May 5, 2021 by jakesykora

[TuringMachine]

Just now, Galbin said:

Testimony from second witness is up. I wish I knew how to screenshot from Reddit, but the proposed minders are a pastor and VA worker, Mr Reaver and his wife.

Probation officer is recommending Josh not be released. The judge is concerned about Josh's past history of SA.

So like his assaults on his sisters?

[closetcagebaby]

The proposed legal babysitters apparently host children’s piano lessons in their home so why the fuck did they choose them?

[blackkatya]

3 minutes ago, Galbin said:

Testimony from second witness is up. I wish I knew how to screenshot from Reddit, but the proposed minders are a pastor and VA worker, Mr Reaver, along with his wife.

Probation officer is recommending Josh not be released. The judge is concerned about Josh's past history of SA.

I'm glad this is being taken into account. Consequences are so overdue here.

[Destiny]

FYI, I shut off blogs too to help keep the forum up. 

ETA: Next up will be resetting everyone's theme temporarily. Basically, I'm shutting down all extras to keep the forum part running. 

Edited May 5, 2021 by Destiny

[Galbin]

1 minute ago, TuringMachine said:

So like his assaults on his sisters?

Yep. I was shocked about that part. She said that she was concerned for the safety of the community.

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, closetcagebaby said:

The proposed legal babysitters apparently host children’s piano lessons in their home so why the fuck did they choose them?

WTF is that? Are they insane? 

[jakesykora]

3 minutes ago, TuringMachine said:

So like his assaults on his sisters?

Yes and the judge specified that if it had been handled in juvenile court it would have been sealed but the Duggars have been public about it and it was in the not too distant past, and safety of the community is the judge's concern.

[purple_summer]

2 minutes ago, closetcagebaby said:

The proposed legal babysitters apparently host children’s piano lessons in their home so why the fuck did they choose them?

And they own guns and the wife is uncomfortable being alone with him because he’s male???

[HerNameIsBuffy]

4 minutes ago, jakesykora said:

Second witness testimony thread has been added now, as well, by the person viewing on the stream summarizing after watching and posting on reddit.

I'm not sure how you do the spoiler thing so I'll let someone else bring it over who can.

It includes proposed 3rd parties to babysit Josh.

If you can cut and paste I'll spoiler it for you.  I can't log off here atm to get it myself.

 

[closetcagebaby]

Just now, purple_summer said:

And they own guns and the wife is uncomfortable being alone with him because he’s male???

Tbf I would also be uncomfortable having him in my home BUT I ALSO WOULD NOT VOLUNTEER FOR THAT TASK. 

[Iamtheway]

1 hour ago, luv2laugh said:

I second this. I read it and wish I never did. What I read will haunt me for life. How depraved and evil humans can be... Is it even legal for that to be described on Wikipedia?

A few years ago a newspaper in Sweden did a series of investigating articles about pedophiles and CP and it was very interesting and great journalism but I really regret reading it because it described some of the material with a little detail and I still sometimes randomly think about it and feel horrible just knowing it exists. 

I only read the description (that was factual and not overly graphic) and can’t stand the image it creates in my head. Anyone that enjoys actually looking at those actual films/pictures should not be allowed outside ever again. 

I really hope it’s ”just” the pictures and that the children around him has not been hurt by him. I can’t believe they let him stay in his home with multiple kids in the same ages as the kids he was looking at. It’s all just horrifying. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, closetcagebaby said:

Tbf I would also be uncomfortable having him in my home BUT I ALSO WOULD NOT VOLUNTEER FOR THAT TASK. 

So they are offering to do this while she's saying she's scared of Josh because he's male?  

[Queen Of Hearts]

21 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Oh God, that was horrible. But this did make me laugh:

“FUCKING AMY KING LEAVES HERSELF UNMUTED AND EVERYONE CAN HEAR HER ON HER SPEAKER PHONE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE ZOOM”

How were Amy and other Duggar relatives able to get access to the Zoom link?  

[TuringMachine]

Just read some of the reddit recap. No surprise Mrs Reaver was unaware of the extent of Josh's crimes.

[byzant]

1 minute ago, closetcagebaby said:

Tbf I would also be uncomfortable having him in my home BUT I ALSO WOULD NOT VOLUNTEER FOR THAT TASK. 

It gets better she isnt uncomfortable due to the csa or images but because hes male and shes female 

[luv2laugh]

26 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

So they are offering to do this while she's saying she's scared of Josh because he's male?  

Hmm. Very confusing.

Edited May 5, 2021 by luv2laugh

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, TuringMachine said:

Just read some of the reddit recap. No surprise Mrs Reaver was unaware of the extent of Josh's crimes.

Before today's hearing?  But she's still volunteering to have him in her home?

[jakesykora]

4 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

If you can cut and paste I'll spoiler it for you.  I can't log off here atm to get it myself.

 

Spoiler

 

Second Prosecution Witness (for you to spoiler for me. TIA!)

(down to 65 attendees)

Prosecution’s second witness direct: Diem Nguyen - Probation officer

Probation officer for 17 years

Factors considered in determining whether someone should be released: Natures and circumstances of the case, defendant’s criminal history, place of employment, resident situation

Presumption cases are cases where an individual is presumed to be detained and the burden is on the defendant to demonstrate that they should be released

A third party custodian is someone who vouches for the defendant in federal court while their case is pending

They are basically in charge of the defendant if the defendant is released from custody and ensures that they follow all conditions placed by the court.

Mr. LaCount Reaver and Ms. Maria Reaver are the proposed third parties in this case.

Mr. Reaver works outside of the home in a full-time capacity at the VA.

Mr. Reaver is a pastor and volunteers with jail ministries

Ms. Reaver is a full time homemaker.

Ms. Reaver was concerned regarding being left alone with Duggar as she was a female and he was a male.

(note: Ms. Nguyen is not a good witness. Doesn’t seem like she knows where the prosecution is trying to take this and isn’t really answering the questions)

Minors would be coming into the Reaver’s residence for piano lessons where Duggar would be

Ms. Reaver is close friends with Josh’s parents and they attended the same church at one point. She feels that she and her husband should help his parents and Josh.

Ms. Reaver said she’s a lot closer to Josh’s parents than to Josh himself

Josh’s parents reached out to the Reavers for their assistance

Ms. Reaver said she was familiar with the charges in question but she did not know the details of them.

Both Mr. and Ms. Reaver had concealed carry licenses and had 3 rifles and 6 pistols at their resident.

Nguyen asked if they had a gun safe to keep access away from Josh and Ms. Reaver said they would lock up the guns in a master bedroom closet.

Ms. Reaver did not have a plan for what to do with the minors coming to the house but said that they would always be accompanied by another adult

Duggar would be staying at a side bedroom that locks from the inside so Duggar couldn’t lock it himself, but he could exit the bedroom from an exterior door

Nguyen thinks the Reavers “could” be suitable third-party custodians, however the minors coming to the home as well as the firearms causes the probation office some concern.

There is internet at the residence but it is password protected.

During the interview with Josh, Nguyen asked whether he was suffering from any addictions. He said no.

Nguyen found a statement from Josh in 2015 where he admitted to a pornography addiction, but did not ask him about it.

AUSA asks about molestation from Josh when he was younger. D objects claiming these records are sealed and leaked from tabloids, and deals with his conduct as a child. Judge overrules.

Judge explains that she is concerned about the safety of the community. If the previous molestation issues had been handled in juvenile court it would’ve been sealed. But Duggar and his family have chosen to be public about these activities and admissions and they’re not too far in the past to still be relevant.

Minors were 11, 10, 9, and 5 at the time of the incident, and Josh was 14.

Nguyen recommends that Josh be detained and the presumption apply.

Even if Reavers were suitable third-party custodians it wouldn’t mitigate the risk to the community.

CX: Probation Officer Nguyen

Reavers have no criminal history

No minors reside at the Reaver home

Reavers said they would do whatever they needed to do to be Josh’s third-party custodians

“If the firearms were removed from the home and if the piano lessons cease, would that be a suitable third party residence?” “Quite possibly.” -Justin Gelfand looks forlorn-

In the 17 months Josh has been aware of the investigation, Josh has not left the country.

Re-direct of Probation Officer Nguyen:

Re-iterates the sexual abuse of minors from years ago

Re-cross of Probation Officer Nguyen:

*missed this because I was taking my dog out to pee* But the bit I caught sounds like they were emphasizing that the probation office had the authority to detain Josh if he violates any of the release conditions.

-prosecution rests its case-

 

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy

[Galbin]

Maria Reaver: "My husband has made the decision and I am here to support that decision."

She clearly is steeped in fundamentalism!

[closetcagebaby]

1 minute ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

So they are offering to do this while she's saying she's scared of Josh because he's male?  

Yeah from what I’m reading it feels like she didn’t know what she was really signing up for.