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  1. 47of74

    Fundie Signs

    Just saw this... What the hell? That's everything!
  2. "I saw a van with eleventy kids!" "There was a lady at the grocery store with a head covering!" "Some patriarchal asshole told me I defrauded him!" Part 1 is here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16844 Part 2 is here: http://www.freejinger.org/topic/20495-real-life-fundie-encountersâ„¢-part-2/?page=1 I saw a fundie family at the grocery store. They had about 10 kids. The girls all had long denim skirts. and shirts under their shirts, and were in charge of the littler kids. What made the family unusual was that the mom was breastfeeding the infant right out in the open without any sort of blanket covering her, and the toddler boy was playing with a baby doll and nobody cared. And the dad interacted with the kids.
  3. Want More Babies

    Church of Wells Store/Catherine went back MERGED

    This past week Mr. Want More Babies and I were near Wells, TX and he humored me enough to let me stop at their store there in Wells. He sat in the car because he does not understand why anyone would want to see that kind of crazy up close. The store is run down and has a lot of empty space. It looks like they buy food from other stores (Big Lots and HEB) and then mark the price up and sell it there. The Big Lots price tag wasn't even removed from the marshmallows. There was a young man in the back reading his Bible. Never looked up the whole time I was there. Another young man was at the register. I never engaged them in conversation because I didn't want to draw more attention to myself (hello, I was walking around taking pictures). Sharing for your pleasure.
  4. "I saw a van with eleventy kids!" "There was a lady at the grocery store with a head covering!" "Some patriarchal asshole told me I defrauded him!" Part 1 is here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16844
  5. ! {TEXT1}: Hi Folks, Over time Freejinger has evolved as a community and that evolution has included times where we test our bounds. We have been made aware that some of our members, or individuals claiming to be our members, have participated in the chat that accompanies services held by Reformers Unanimous and alluded to their membership here. We'd like to remind you to please not make comments that sound like you are a representative of Free Jinger. We have no intention of trying to control our members offsite activities, but we do not wish Free Jinger to be associated with disruptive behaviors. It is the opinion of the Administrative team that disrupting a religious service or any program designed for rehabilitative purposes in crossing a line that should not be crossed. Its one thing to discuss something here, but it is completely different to disrupt something that others rely on, reasonably or not. We are better than that. Thank you for your attention to this matter. As always questions and comments are welcome.
  6. I have been assigned the unenviable task of combing through the 400+ pages of Snark, finding and moving threads that are more suitable to Chatter, Worldly Distractions, or the Hobby area. Taking this high-altitude look at FJ, I have spotted a phenomenon that leads to a large number of really short threads, generally with just a handful of replies: the Real Life Fundie Encounter[tm][/tm]. In an effort to keep the number of threads more manageable, we're going to experiment with a catch-all thread. If you have a casual encounter with a fundie in real life and would like to talk about it, this is the place. "I saw a van with eleventy kids!" "There was a lady at the grocery store with a head covering!" "Some patriarchal asshole told me I defrauded him!" That sort of thing. If you're brave enough to attend a Maxwell seminar, manage to seduce a Vision Forum Intern, or take tea with Lady Lydia, then you are encouraged to start a thread about it. We'll probably have a lot of questions.
  7. If I had old pictures from ATI "events," where would I post them? Is there an area for that sort of thing. Sorry I am new. I just found a box that had some old pictures from COMMIT and another ATI event (can't remember the name, it's been too long.) I thought they might be fun to share.
  8. GenerationCedarchip

    One of my friends has gone Quiverfull

    I just got friended by an old college friend and I have to say that the more I read his FB page, the more obvious it is he's gone QF. I have to admit it makes me sad. This guy was super-smart (finalist for a Rhodes Scholarship) and kind of moderate/mainstream Protestant when we were in school. However, I see from his page that he is now OPC (orthodox Preby.) and he got married in 2006 but already has 7 kids! No twins in that either. He's posted a series of family photos as each new kid is born and I've noticed that he is looking a little ragged around the edges but his poor wife looks utterly worn out and you can just see despair in her eyes. And for the birth of number 6 earlier this month, he posted about how "God willing" there will be a family photo with a kid #8 someday soon. The kicker for me is that for Mother's Day he posted about how for today he didn't make any big meal plans or buy anything because he thought the best gift for his wife would be for her to have lots of quality time with the kids as their mother. Um..he works full-time and has an hour commute, so what does he think she gets staying at home every day of the week?
  9. For those on the recovering grace facebook a user posted about being caught leaving recovering grace cards at ATI and discussed it with John Duggar and another guy so now at least one Duggar knows there is a way out. The question though is if they will ever take the chance now that they know. So... Someone must have seen me drop a card somewhere this afternoon.. Why you ask? Well because they ratted me out and I got the chance to meet John Duggar and another guy and they proceeded to ask me about what and why I was doing leaving RG cards around the conference. At first I played a little dumb about it.. But then I thought.. What the heck. I'll just engage them a bit. So I talked to these guys and then David Waller? came up and I talked to him.. I told them some of my reasons for the cards. Then I shifted the convo a bit. Then David took me over to talk to Mr Mattix.. Talked to him a while about Russia and all that.. Things were actually going quite well. I should have known better. One of the minions ran and got BG. So he comes over and we sit down at a table and continue our friendly talk about Russia and my job and other non threatening subjects. Then BG says.. So how was your childhood? And I'm thinking... Huh? So I say.. Oh it was good. Pretty normal. Ups and downs. About like any other. Then he started asking about the RG cards. Ha! I have to say when all this started I was quite nervous. But when I was talking to BG I was as clear minded and confident as I could be! It was great! I avoided getting into a war of scripture.. Cause I knew he would win that seeing I was Ill prepared. But I was very frank with him. I kept it to general things. I talked about extreme parents and how his teaching is used against children in damaging ways. That he needs to STRESS that what may be for him may not be for everyone. I gave him examples of several things we discussed so he would know EXACTLY what I was saying. Our talk encompassed many other topics.. Nothing super deep. But I didn't give in to him. I looked him in the eye the whole time. Ha! All that rock music must have been so visible to him. ANYWAYS.. There was a moment when he tried to kinda guilt me a bit.. He talked about when he gave me money as a gift for serving at the mtc. And his point was kinda.. I did this and you come here and do this to me? I acknowledged that I remembered his gifts. But I just let his comment go and I moved on. Well he said that he felt like he owed me more for all the service I had done for the ministry.. I was hoping he'd give me more money. I totally would have taken it too! but he said why don't we go over to the book tables and I'll give you a few books. Oh goodie. More useless paper. So we walk over and he kept talking about things going on in ati.. I think he was going to offer me a job with some new thing he has going. But he got distracted. Lol! He ended up giving me 3 personally inscribed copies of his books. I'm pretty sure two of them are very recent.. So... RG people.. I have things for you if you want them. In all we talked for about an hour and a half or so. I also gave Mr Mattix my thoughts on other things.. All in all it turned out to be a productive day. I did see two rebel looking guys with RG cards.. Maybe they'll find something there. Despite all going as well as it did.. It was 1 on 3. So needless to say.. I'm slightly worn out.
  10. I checked out two books from the library after hearing a long rant from a fundie about Titanic with zombies on board. Titanic is a big passion for me and I've enjoyed some monster mash ups. My favorite rant was about how a man of that era would even dare allow a woman to be bitten or scratched by a zombie! Captain Smith wasn't nearly as tough as he's portrayed in the books! The fundie knew this how...? The zombie curse was brought on because someone, somewhere, did something bad! I did want to ask if it was a woman who did something bad as these groups seem to think anyone with a vagina is evil. The poor librarian was already getting an earfull and I didn't want to add to her misery so I didn't comment. By now I've had a series of mental images including "Hey, steerage passenger! We know what you did! You didn't wash your hands when coming out of the bathroom! You've doomed us all you ungodly heathen!" Another image I had was of all these male zombies polietely waiting for all the women and children to get into lifeboats before going to town on the male passengers and crew. This is somehow begging to be written or illustrated. The two books I checked out were Titanic of the Dead by Stephen Dymarcik and Deck Z by Chris Pauls and Matt Solomon. I'm hiding my reviews of the books behind spoilers as they may contain key points to the books and I don't want to ruin it for anyone. Titanic of the Dead Deck Z I'm glad I got the chance to read the books. Maybe I should go do those illustrations about the zombies...
  11. So I had to go to Arkansas today and I decided to drive by the Duggar compound: IMG_1432_opt.jpg[/attachment] They have to see it everyday because it's on the main road right next to the side street that leads to their house. Just beyond that is the actual Tonitown Fire Station which has a huge sign that says "Burn ban! No fireworks!" I couldn't take a pic because I was driving. Then I swung over to Smuggar's dealership: [attachment=0]IMG_1433_opt.jpg[/attachment] I took this at the stoplight. When I turned the corner, I actually saw customers! A red headed lady in jeans and a bigger guy. No one was helping them. They were standing on the porch and looked like they were getting ready to go look at cars. If I didn't have my kids I totally would have stopped and pretended to browse. And unfortunately I have to go back to NWA next Wednesday, but I think I'll skip the boring fundie field trip this time.
  12. Kitchen Princess

    Duggars filmed in my town

    With this post I am outing my town. No stalking, please. http://vimeo.com/40131739 And they were filming, because there was a cameraman in the background of one of the pictures in the newspaper.
  13. Okay so the Duggars are in WI where my great aunt lives. She watches the show and comments a lot on it. I told her that she should go with one of her daughters today to one of the churches. It would be over an hour away for her but she said she might go, but is still unsure. I think she doesn't want to have to be there 2 hours early. I told her it isn't like a rock star is coming and I am sure just going in 15-30 minutes will still get her in the church. (I could be soooo wrong on this) If she goes should she look for anything? If she can take pictures should she? I think her concern is that she doesn't know if it is worth the drive. She is also not a Rick Santorum fan and hope he will not be there- however Rick seems to not be doing much with the Duggars today. If anyone has seen the Duggars in a Church or on the Campaign trail- is it worth the drive? Thanks so much
  14. I don't think some of those verses relate to the attitudes at all. It was like he just threw in some randomn verses. These were mailed home to the parents (even on the adults women who were attending EXCEL). I didn't improve a great deal. I don't think I ever got a five on anything. Can't really rember, but I am pretty sure this involved vowing to never date and to give our father our heart. Pictures coming next post.
  15. Turning-A-New-Leaf

    Bates/Duggars - Ever Seen In Public

    Has anyone ever seen The Bates Family or The Duggar Family out in public? What are they like in a public setting? Are they different when there are no cameras or fans around?
  16. FJismyheadship

    Duggar Towing

    I called Duggar Towing for a friend. And got john david. She needed to get her car moved back home from nashville arkansas. She lives near springdale so i went ahead and did it. He said he could do it and it would cost about four hundred dollars. When i asked he was up front about it being expensive. Just thought you guys might like to hear about it lol.
  17. I recently got together with a cousin of mine whom I hadn't seen in years. He now lives in northwest Arkansas, and is a real estate lawyer for Walmart. (We're both native New Yorkers, born and raised Catholic, but no longer observant. Cue the snark about culture shock and the Bible Belt.) I asked him about women going around in denim jumpers, and he said it wasn't an uncommon sight. He said the Duggars were a big deal around there, and that, when he first moved there, NOTHING was open on Sundays, because EVERYONE was at church. Mr. Snark seems to have sipped a bit of the Kool-Aid, because he mentioned several times how NICE everyone was down there, and didn't think it odd that Chick-Fil-A observed the Sabbath. I would have gotten all in his NYC-law-school-educated face about Dominionism, and pumped him more about fundies, but we were at the luncheon following his mother's funeral. ETA that he told us he'd never seen so many pregnant unmarried Caucasian girls in his life--because it's obviously "slutty" to "plan" to have sex by getting contraception in advance, and having an abortion would make you a "murderer."
  18. Apparently, Michelle is going to be speaking at a conference at my alma mater in a month, a conference on home and hearth type issues. I don't think it's the whole brood, but she's the keynote speaker for the conference. If I had money, I'd totally go undercover guys. I could find the right jumper at goodwill, I know it. In any case, I'll keep a watchful eye out that weekend for permed hair. (Also, hey! I took a little break from FJ, when I realized that I was trying to keep up so much that I wasn't getting anything else done. And that's not a good thing for me. Hopefully, I can be a little less addicted now.)
  19. My husband and I are invited to the wedding of my MIL's friend's daughter. The daughter is becoming Orthodox, and the wedding will be Orthodox. (I assume Modern Orthodox, but I can't be sure.) While I've been to Orthodox weddings before, this is the first time I'm going to one since I've gotten married. I'm Jewish, but not Orthodox, so I don't cover my head. Do I need to wear a headcovering for the wedding? All the women who are invited to the wedding are also invited to a tichel party the night before, but I would feel awkward going since I don't wear tichels. My MIL is also curious about this because she doesn't cover her head, and the bride's mother doesn't either. I think I need to go shopping for something to wear, because all of my formal dresses wouldn't be considered tsnius. Normally, I'd ask someone close to the bride, but this is a complicated situation. Both the bride and groom's parents are against the marriage (but they will still be at the wedding . . .) It's at the point where the bride's mother is mad at my MIL for not being completely against the marriage. This has made it really hard to find out information about the wedding other than what is on the invitation. I just don't want to create any more tension with my wardrobe choices.
  20. At the foot of my street there's a modest home, a rental. Some of the neighbors call it the "Bethel house." Parked outside are sometimes as many as half a dozen cars. Their license plates tell the story — Texas, British Columbia, South Dakota, Indiana ... On Sunday morning this week I was inspired to rise early and follow these young people to church to see what the fuss is all about, what drew them to Redding. Below are my impressions from the 8:30 service at Bethel Church. I arrived with 10 minutes to spare and found a traffic jam on College View Drive, so I parked in the lot at the bottom of a hill and hoofed it up to the church. This is no Crystal Cathedral. As you approach it, Bethel looks unpretentious, utilitarian, even ugly. The service was held in what appeared to be a gymnasium/basketball court. The place was packed. My girlfriend found two open seats on one of the risers at the back. http://www.redding.com/news/2011/nov/19 ... leaves-me/ This is EXACTLY the impression that LeftyMom and I had of Bethel.
  21. Yesterday, I went downtown with my family. There's an indoor market there, and there was this Amish stand where they sold homemade jellies and preserves. So we stood around, browsing through their things. I was with my sister, who's 13. There was an Amish boy right near us, I'm guessing around my sister's age or older. He was stocking the shelves, but then he started to give my sister these weird looks. He was looking directly at her, and he did it for a while. She tried to ignore it, but he kept persisting. So my sister took a look at him again, and he licked his lips at her, for a lack of a better word, kind of seductively. My sister got creeped, so she told me and we both walked back to our parents. I didn't know that was all about. Does anyone know anything about Amish culture? I guessed that it's because he didn't know how to act on his attraction due to the culture he was raised in.
  22. Deleted12

    Bethel Church

    It was crazy, but not in the way that we were expecting. The room that the service was in was very large. There were about 450 people there. The room was oriented so that the stage was on the long axis of the room which made for a more intimate space than it would have been had the room been oriented traditionally, with the stage at a narrow end of the room. The floor area had conference-style chairs, and we sat on some bleachers in the back. There were basketball hoops in the room that had been drawn up towards the roof. The back of the stage had two large screens where powerpoint slides with song lyrics, Bible verses, prayers, and so forth were displayed. There were no crosses on display anywhere in the room. The crowd was very, very diverse. There were black people, Native American people, Hispanic people, Indian people, and white people. There were 50 people of color in the room, which for Redding is a lot. About one in five people appeared to be of high school or college age, and another fifth were in their 20s. Most of the young people looked hip with tattoos and piercings, and would not have been readily identifiable as fundamentalists on the street. The only demographic that was obviously missing were little kids. Most people were dressed casually. The girl in front of us was wearing a tank top, and you could see an ornate heart tattoo on her back with the words "Psalm 150" in the middle of the heart. There was also a young man with a large cross tattooed on the side of his neck and a teardrop tattoo under his eye. Most of the people brought Bibles with them. There was a handout given when we entered the room with today's date on it, but it wasn't a traditional program with Bible passage citations, song names, names of speakers and pastors, or anything like that. It was more like a calendar of different events during the week. During the service, about five men got up and spoke. It was unclear who the different men were, either their names or their positions within the church. They were all dressed more or less casually. The service opened with Psalm 31:8 about the Lord not handing us over to the enemy but setting us down in an wide place. The speaker talked about how comforting it is that the Lord has set us down in a safe place and not on a high ledge. He asked us to pray for equity in our families and equity in Redding, and it was totally unclear exactly what he was talking about here. He then said that they had had a service earlier in the week and 30 people were baptized, and after the service they had gone to Whiskeytown Lake and had baptized an additional 19 people who were camping or fishing there in the lake. Then there was literally 45 minutes of praise music. There was a singer, guitarist, drummer, violinist, bass player, keyboardist, and about 10 choristers. One song was: Your Presence is all I need It’s all I want, all I seek Without it, without it there’s no meaning Your Presence is the air I breathe The song I sing, the love I need Without it, without it I’m not living I will exalt You, Lord, I will exalt You, Lord There is no one like You God I will exalt You, Lord, I will exalt You, Lord No other name be lifted high There will be no one like You And no one beside You You alone are worthy of all praise There will be no one like You And no one beside You You alone are worthy of all praise Then there was a song that was: I see Your face in every sunrise The colors of the morning are inside Your eyes The world awakens in the light of the day I look up to the sky and say You're beautiful I see Your power in the moonlit night Where planets are in motion and galaxies are bright We are amazed in the light of the stars It's all proclaiming who You are You're beautiful, You're beautiful I see You there hanging on a tree You bled and then You died and then You rose again for me Now You are sitting on Your heavenly throne Soon we will be coming home You're beautiful, You're beautiful When we arrive at eternity's shore Where death is just a memory and tears are no more We'll enter in as the wedding bells ring Your bride will come together and we'll sing You're beautiful I see Your face, You're beautiful, You're beautiful, You're beautiful I see Your face, You're beautiful, You're beautiful, You're beautiful I see Your face, I see Your face I see Your face, You're beautiful, You're beautiful, You're beautiful Writing out the lyrics makes these songs sound a lot shorter than they were. Three of them were written by Bethel. The music seemed very mantralike, with a lot of repetition of verses. Two of the songs were very high energy, with people clapping and jumping, but people were waving their arms during all of the songs. During all of the songs there was a person up on stage waving decorative flags. During one of the songs the person behind us was speaking in tongues, and the girl next to me was twitching and crying throughout. After the music ended, a lot of people left. I assume that they went to other services in the complex. A speaker got up and talked about Bethel's plans to take over the Redding Convention Center. In a nutshell, the City of Redding has a severe revenue shortfall and was planning to close the center until Bethel proposed that they take it over. Bethel is creating a "for public benefit nonprofit corporation" to manage the center for the good of the community. Were they to take it over, then they could add 400 additional first-year students to the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry. He cautioned that he didn't want people from Bethel to pressure the city council about the decision, but he encouraged them to pray about it. Ssince Redding has about 100,000 people and Bethel had about 5,000 parishioners, then Bethel members are about 5% of the population of Redding. Bethel hopes to be able to give the convention center back to the City of Redding in a better condition than Bethel received it in. He proclaimed that "We are part of the community here." Then he announced that a local family is going to do a mission in Rwanda for a year. He said, "There are seriously beautiful things happening in Rwanda… even just in prayer." The family--a mother, father, and two children--got up on the stage and about 15 people came up and laid hands on them. The microphone was passed around and some of the people laying hands on them offered up fairly generic prayers for their trip. While they were bang prayed over, the father in the family went very limp, while the mother was shaking and twitching. By far the highlight of the service was the offering prayer. This was the only time that the entire congregation prayed in unison. The offering prayer went as follows: As we receive today's offering we are believing the Lord for: Jobs and better jobs, Raises and bonuses Benefits Sales and commissions Favorable settlements Estates and inheritances Interests and income Rebates and returns Checks in the mail Gifts and surprises Finding money Debts paid off Expenses decrease Blessing and increase Thank You, Lord, for meeting all of my financial needs that I may have more than enough to give into the Kingdom of God and promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Hallelujah!!!!!! This was undoubtedly the weirdest moment of the whole thing. Then the offering bags were passed. The man said the visitors should not contribute, but should instead give offerings to their home churches. The bags were passed in silence. The speaker appeared to be one of the associate pastors, Kris Vallotton, and the sermon was about "The Gift of Momentum," and Proverbs 13:22A, which says, "A good man leaves an inheritance for his children's children, but a sinner's wealth is stored up for the righteous." In general, he said that other people gave sacrificially so that we could get to this point. He asked how many people had standing pools in their yards when they were kids, and he asked if the neighborhood kids ever got together and created a whirlpool in the pool by marching around the periphery of the pool. When the kids first start out, moving against the water is hard, but as the water starts to move, then moving gets much easier. Kids who come along after the whirlpool is already in place are able to bob along with no effort, and they don't understand or appreciate the effort it took to get the momentum going. Once there is no understanding or appreciation, then the momentum becomes lost. He said, "The chief opponent of [momentum] is a poverty sprit." He said that just this morning he was standing at his front window wearing his boxer shorts and looking out at the park. A man drove up in a truck, took a trash bag out, and walked out into the park. Kris was watching all this and thinking that the man was going to go pick up the litter in the park. Instead the man walked by the litter, dug into the trash can, and pulled out recycling. He took the recycling back to his truck and was about to drive away when he saw Kris watching him. Kris said that the man shouted "What?" in a confrontational manner, and then proceeded to unleash a stream of expletives before speeding off. Kris said that a poverty sprit erodes quality of life because of fear and a self-centered focus on survival and not inheritance. If you want to overcome poverty through inheritance, then you have to focus on family, educational, capital, and spiritual types of inheritance. He said that we also have an intergenerational covenant as outlined in Isaiah 59: 21. ("As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever," says the LORD.) We can have momentum through covenant. David laid up an enormous inheritance as described in 1 Chronicles 22: 14-16. ("I have taken great pains to provide for the temple of the LORD a hundred thousand talents of gold, a million talents of silver, quantities of bronze and iron too great to be weighed, and wood and stone. And you may add to them. You have many workmen: stonecutters, masons and carpenters, as well as men skilled in every kind of work. in gold and silver, bronze and iron--craftsmen beyond number. Now begin the work, and the LORD be with you.") Solomon, however, did not use this inheritance wisely. Instead, he left the generation after him in debt, and it was a very wicked generation. Wealth and poverty move through the generations, and revival in the spirit moves the same way. Leaving poverty to the next generation does not serve the Lord. He noted, "This is not a works message; this is an appreciation message." He then added that we are not the slaves of an intimidating master, but that God is good all the time. The momentum of cultural transformation is created by believers as God's co-laborers. God is like an enthusiastic parent cheering on his child from the sidelines of a game, and God tells each of us "You are the best, and I believe in you." God has given each of us honor, opportunity, and favor. However, honor, opportunity, and favor can be squandered. Psalms 49:20 says "A man who has riches without understanding is like the beasts that perish." If we go through life without the understanding of God and the opportunities that He has given us, then we are like cows. Cows go through the motions of life without any meaning. He said that rich people don't go to work every day, they go seek opportunities and make connections. Momentum can inspire and transform, and this is the type of richness that Bethel is hoping to nurture in Redding with the civic center proposal. He concluded the sermon with a long clip of a gospel breakfast with Oprah and virtually every important living black musician. Part of the message of the clip was the importance of generational progress, and passing down the legacy of the gospel to the next generation. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6fk8t ... lege_music The video clip was very high-energy, and it was very inspiring. For homework, he asked the congregation to think and pray about inheritance for as-yet-unborn generations. From there the service just ended. He said that if anyone wanted to be healed or saved then they should come up to the front. When most people left, we sat quietly and watched people go to the front for quiet laying on of hands. It was very interesting and I wish more of you could have joined us.
  23. Well I guess he would not make it to portland oregon but this guy sure did a good job imitating him. Most people hated him and he just loved to yell. The part I did not get a video of was when he made fun of a guys shirt how it made him look gay. the guy said I am gay and proud of it. and the preacher went off. but the guy said your really turning me on and I really want to kiss you and hug you. so he goes up the the fake preacher and that sure shuts him up. though he never givs the hug the talked in normal tones.
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