[CW: Child Sexual Abuse] Josh and Anna Duggar 26: Smugshot™ Jermajesty Duggar

[Sky with diamonds]

10 minutes ago, Freejin said:

I think their statement is two things: 

1. Protecting themselves from the allegation that they aren’t letting the proper authorities handle it (like last time). 
 

2. Taking distance from any responsibility. He did this. Off on his own. Over there.

That’s the tone I get. 

Whoa! That’s a bold comment to make publicly. I know she has set herself apart from the Duggars in terms of her dress standards and other nonsense but doesn’t this come as a surprise to anyone else?

If M and J are trying to distance themselves from this, too little too late IMO. They handled it terribly before...I can't forget that.

Edited May 1, 2021 by Sky with diamonds

[Ilovebrownies]

6 minutes ago, seraaa said:

Yes, but one party is institutionally enabling it to a greater extent. Matt Gaetz has still not had his committee assignments removed. Is he even under internal investigation?

Which is not to say that everyone in the Democratic Party is a paragon of virtue - clearly not. But, in this current moment, and as far as we know, they aren't being enabled by the party structures in the same way.

Again, not true.  Epstein, Clinton, Hunter....to name a few.

[Captain Obvious]

58 minutes ago, truthseeker said:

I think it is illegal here.  Checked with my barrister brother, and it's a big no.

Yes - at least in Australia

I’m glad to be proven wrong. Perhaps it depends what state you’re in. 

[bal maiden]

There are really specific dates cited for when he downloaded this child abuse. Can anyone who knows how these things work tell me if that means he really did only download it once (not that that makes it any less heinous! Once is one more than is okay), or is it the case that the prosecutors will zone in on a specific incident in order to make their case cut and dried? Presumably they can tell through forensic analysis of his computer how many times the files have been opened and viewed, which would make a defence of 'ooopsie, I got it by accident when I was downloading MILF and granny porn! I only did it once!' fairly unbelievable. 

[kmachete14]

For those asking what constitutes cp/CSA: Legal definition

(it’s not fan fiction/ writing)

[FiveAcres]

Here is Captain Cassidy's take on the Josh Duggar news:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2021/04/30/josh-duggar-and-his-entirely-unsurprising-child-porn-charges/

And she gives a shout-out to Free Jinjer:

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I headed for the usual sites to figure out what had happened. A Duggar discussion forum, Free Jinger, delivered the goods. Their community had a flurry of posts speculating about what had happened, and someone provided his arrest record (seen above).

(Roll To Disbelieve is a blog on the Patheos Non-Religious channel. It mostly covers the intersection of Fundamental Religion, hypocrisy, and American culture and politics. It has a very active commenters section. Read the Rules of Engagement before you comment.) 

[AussieKrissy]

I think Cousin Amy knows the duggar shit show is over and it doesn’t matter if she pisses them off now by what she says.  I mean like I would give a fuck what pedo enablers thought of me. 

[finnlassie]

the only words I have right now:

yo what the fuck?

[Unicorn28]

JB & Michelle should had stopped having kids after Jill. Definitely after the laundry room breakdown and Joseph.  The more kids they had the more responsibility the oldest kids had. I'm sure before the molestation, Josh being the oldest had a lot of responsibility for his younger siblings. Josh comes across as one of those guys that thinks their all that and their shit doesn't stink. He reminds me of Trump. Him Being the firstborn son and oldest and in a cult where men are better then women helped his ego. Him going with Dad when JB was a state representative helped his ego. Him basically getting away with the molestation helped his ego. Most likely wasn't fully blamed for it either. His sisters probably were blamed as well , helped his ego. Then they become famous and have their own show helped his ego. He could have settled on Anna and was encouraged to marry young. They both were in the cult. All may have been fine until after Mack was born and the Josie being born too early happened. Then his parents were away more and he started to stray before Michael was born. The FRC gig really helped his ego. He was now living in DC away from his JB's control and finally had some freedom. He was working with college educated people who I'm sure talked about him behind his back about he was only there because of who he was. I don't think he cared either. He was meeting high powered Senators and Congressmen and probably thought. I will run for office soon. That really helped his ego. Then the molestation became public and FRC let him go. He suddenly was back in Arkansas under JB's control. Then a few months later the Ashley Madison thing happened and he was sent off to 6 months rehab. Anna didn't divorce him and he went back to living on his parent's property and more controlled by JB after he got out of rehab. Plus he was no longer on the show. No more social media either. Now he is charged with CP and I don't think Josh thinks he will do jail time. That is why he is smug in the mugshot and video. I think Josh thinks JB will get him out of it. Plus about 2 years ago, is when JB shunned Jill because of wanting her money share from being on the show. Josh saw how JB treated Jill who was a daughter not the firstborn son and did Nothing wrong and thought I don't have to worry about  dad shunning me as long as I keep going along with what he wants me to do. I think reality won't hit Josh until he is sentenced and in federal prison and won't be out until his youngest is at least 10 years old. Then maybe the smug will disappear from his face. But then maybe Josh in a twisted way thinks now he is free from Anna and having more kids and out from under JB's control. Josh definitely would had stopped at 2 kids if not in that cult. He most likely would had divorced Anna years ago.  Josh being who he is thinks he did nothing wrong and may never think he did anything wrong! Josh is the type that when JB is died will come in and take over as head of the Duggars since he is the firstborn son! And most likely would cheat his siblings out of his parent's inheritance if he could.  Their cult encourages the men above all else thing and maybe JB now will lay more responsibility on John now as the next head of the family after JB dies. I doubt it though. Because JB is a lot like Josh and won't admit that he is partly to blame for Josh being messed up. 

[seraaa]

4 minutes ago, Ilovebrownies said:

Again, not true.  Epstein, Clinton, Hunter....to name a few.

Which is why I specified "in this current moment". Both parties have a poor history when it comes to sexual misconduct, but the GOP, as a party, is failing in this current moment in ways that are obvious. This isn't a case of wanting one 'Team' to get one over on the other. If the Democratic Party apparatus was screwing up similarly, I'd be happy to say so.

 

(Also who is Hunter referring to, it is the only name I don't recognise)

[Ilovebrownies]

1 minute ago, seraaa said:

Which is why I specified "in this current moment". Both parties have a poor history when it comes to sexual misconduct, but the GOP, as a party, is failing in this current moment in ways that are obvious. This isn't a case of wanting one 'Team' to get one over on the other. If the Democratic Party apparatus was screwing up similarly, I'd be happy to say so.

 

(Also who is Hunter referring to, it is the only name I don't recognise)

Both parties are screwing this up big time.  Don’t be divisive.  Hunter Biden.

[Idlewild]

When did Jill and Derick buy their house? I’m just wondering if their financial settlement coincided with the raid. It would certainly give them leverage over JB, especially with Derick teasing about a tell all book. If the dates line up, then they all knew. 

[ExTeach713]

6 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

It's maximum of 20 years for each count and there are two counts. I'm hoping for at least 20 years.

I’m hopeful that his history is considered at sentencing and he gets locked up for the maximum term.

[Freejin]

2 minutes ago, ExTeach713 said:

I’m hopeful that his history is considered at sentencing and he gets locked up for the maximum term.

Does a person’s history usually get considered in situations like this?

[seraaa]

11 minutes ago, Ilovebrownies said:

Both parties are screwing this up big time.  Don’t be divisive.  Hunter Biden.

When the Democratic President is happy to support a candidate that was credibly accused of sexual assult with minors, we can say they are the same. The GOP of this modern time institutionally supported this. Kevin McCarthy, the supposed leader of the Republicans in the House, has initiated no action on the Matt Gaetz case. They're flailing. The Hunter Biden thing is highly fabricated, but even if it were all true how are his personal failings a reflection of the Democratic Party as a whole? I don't see the DNC coming out to throw their support behind him and endorse him.

I aam conscious we are getting far off the topic of this thread

Edited May 1, 2021 by seraaa

[lumpentheologie]

25 minutes ago, sableduck said:

Honestly, Anna won’t leave Josh. Why would she? Either he’s convicted and goes away for a long time, which will keep him away from their kids and she won’t have to deal with him anyway; or he’s not convicted and she’ll be fully convinced of his innocence.

 

Completely agree. If he's in prison for decades why would Anna divorce him?  She doesn't have to deal with him anymore, and neither do the kids. If she stays married to him she gets to keep her Christian martyr role and will still be supported by JB and M. Most mothers of 7 kids would be really worried about finances if their husband went to prison but Anna doesn't have to worry about that.

I think from her point of view the only upside to divorce would be that she could potentially remarry and have more children--otherwise this is the end of her fertility. She may consider that in a few years once reality sinks in, but I think her instinct now will be to circle the wagons and continue to stay at the compound--that's probably what feels safe to her. 

[WholesomeWhere]

1 minute ago, Freejin said:

Does a person’s history usually get considered in situations like this?

It can be, but it depends.  Formal charges/past convictions vs. allegations. Also if he was a minor a the time, if an accuser is willing to testify, factors like that.  And I terms of time, my dear friend Wikipedia says that the Jared from subway guy got 15 years, but sounds like he also had some more serious charges on top of the porn possession.

[baldricks_turnip]

28 minutes ago, bal maiden said:

There are really specific dates cited for when he downloaded this child abuse. Can anyone who knows how these things work tell me if that means he really did only download it once (not that that makes it any less heinous! Once is one more than is okay), or is it the case that the prosecutors will zone in on a specific incident in order to make their case cut and dried? Presumably they can tell through forensic analysis of his computer how many times the files have been opened and viewed, which would make a defence of 'ooopsie, I got it by accident when I was downloading MILF and granny porn! I only did it once!' fairly unbelievable. 

I think I read that the FBI maintains some sites on the dark web that host abuse material for the purpose of tracking and prosecuting those who download them. Chances are, if someone does that its probably a pattern of behaviour and there are other files they have accessed but the planted files are so easily to prove.

[subsaharanafrica]

36 minutes ago, Ilovebrownies said:

Again, not true.  Epstein, Clinton, Hunter....to name a few.

Not to mention Swawell, who (allegedly) slept with a Chinese spy and they never even considered removing him from the intelligence committee. 

[WholesomeWhere]

5 minutes ago, lumpentheologie said:

Completely agree. If he's in prison for decades why would Anna divorce him?  She doesn't have to deal with him anymore, and neither do the kids. If she stays married to him she gets to keep her Christian martyr role and will still be supported by JB and M. Most mothers of 7 kids would be really worried about finances if their husband went to prison but Anna doesn't have to worry about that.

I think from her point of view the only upside to divorce would be that she could potentially remarry and have more children--otherwise this is the end of her fertility. She may consider that in a few years once reality sinks in, but I think her instinct now will be to circle the wagons and continue to stay at the compound--that's probably what feels safe to her. 

Didn’t Anna’s family have a prison ministry?  She’s practically been conditioned her entire life to stay with him in this exact situation.  Her “job” is to save his soul now.  She’ll be back hanging with Jana in one of those twin beds in the girls room in no time.  What other option does she have in her world?  It’s just beyond awful.

[seraaa]

13 minutes ago, subsaharanafrica said:

Not to mention Swawell, who (allegedly) slept with a Chinese spy and they never even considered removing him from the intelligence committee. 

This is a current example that, if true, may be a reason to remove someone's assignment, I agree! For example, if it revealed that he'd betrayed something he should not have talked about. I assume he denied it and they haven't been able to prove it? Which obviously does not mean that he didn't do it, only that it makes it harder to remove him. I also assume that he did not know that she was spy, because well. If they'd had proof that he knew that and didn't disclose, he'd be gone.

It's still not grounds to justify both-sidesing this issue, mind. My point isn't that the Democrats have neverr done anything wrong, but rather that the scale of institutional support around sexual misconduct issues is, currently, a particular problem for the Republican Party.

Edited May 1, 2021 by seraaa

[lumpentheologie]

6 minutes ago, subsaharanafrica said:

Not to mention Swawell, who (allegedly) slept with a Chinese spy and they never even considered removing him from the intelligence committee. 

Not sure what that has to do with child sexual abuse? Or sexual abuse at all?

Edited May 1, 2021 by lumpentheologie

[formergothardite]

1 hour ago, seraaa said:

When the Democratic President is happy to support a candidate that was credibly accused of sexual assult with minors, we can say they are the same. The GOP of this modern time institutionally supported this. Kevin McCarthy, the supposed leader of the Republicans in the House, has initiated no action on the Matt Gaetz case. They're flailing. The Hunter Biden thing is highly fabricated, but even if it were all true how are his personal failings a reflection of the Democratic Party as a whole? I don't see the DNC coming out to throw their support behind him and endorse him.

And let’s not forget how they haven’t said a word about Madison Cawthorn who 150 of the people from his small Christian college said he was a sexual predator. And he admitted to grabbing a 17 year old and trying to force her to kiss him but claims that is normal behavior.

Josh smiled because he is part of the party who heard a candidate brag about sexually assaulting women, it was downplayed as normal behavior and the people flocked to act like the man was a god. Josh is steeped in a political party where no one cared about Trump saying he was “allowed” to go see the contestants of beauty pageants naked even though some of the contestants were children. Josh views himself as important and if Trump can brag about sexual assault and still become president then he probably thinks nothing will happen to him. 
 

This isn’t just an ATI problem, it is much bigger than that. It is a problem in our society where men have long gotten away with abusing women and children. Josh smirked because he lives in a world that tends to forgive a great deal if you are a white Christian man. He just doesn’t realize that he isn’t that important and no one will be coming to save him. He is pretty fucked. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by formergothardite

[DutchBelle]

34 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

When did Jill and Derick buy their house? I’m just wondering if their financial settlement coincided with the raid. It would certainly give them leverage over JB, especially with Derick teasing about a tell all book. If the dates line up, then they all knew. 

She posted about the new home on Instagram on April 18, 2019.

[Rebelwife]

9 minutes ago, seraaa said:

This is a current example that, if true, would be a reason to remove someone's assignment, I agree! I assume he denied it and they haven't been able to prove it?

 

They did consider it, and rejected it based on the evidence.  Swallwell seems to have done exactly what you're supposed to do in those circumstances - he was warned that she was problematic and cut ties with her.  Contrast that with the Washington Post story the other day that Guiliani and Sen. Ron Johnson were warned in 2019 that they were targets of a disinformation campaign with the Ukraine stuff and went right ahead working with the foreign agents and disseminating crap (that they had been told was crap). 

 

"In December 2020, Swalwell was named in a report about suspected Chinese spy Christine Fang.[55][56] Axios reported that Fang participated in fundraising for Swalwell's 2014 congressional election bid, met Swalwell at events, and helped place an intern inside Swalwell's congressional office. Swalwell ended ties with Fang after being warned by federal agents around 2015. Swalwell himself was not accused of any impropriety according to a U.S. intelligence official.[57] In spite of this, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy moved in March 2021 to remove Swalwell from his seat on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, which was tabled 218–200–3 on a party-line vote."