Bates 27: I Want My Bates TV

[Angelface]

I don't think that Erin had any idea that Michaela and Brandon would experience difficulties having a family. It wasn't intended as a cruel remark. I am pretty sure she is relieved to have her remark edited out. 

I agree with VelociRapture, I am a little wary of Erin. She seems to me to be one of the more dangerous fundies. She is very pretty, married to the wonderful Chad ( who is an incredibly hard working guy which is not the norm for fundies), has had 3 miscarriages, 3 lovely children and is expecting #4 (all pregnancies are high risk)..She is a talented pianist but seems happy in her role as a SAHM and now is part of the Bates sisters boutique. She has learnt to cook and appears to be a good homemaker. Her children are cute and seem to be well fed and well cared for. But... she is still as fundy as ever and presents herself as living the dream. Others may look at her instagram and wish to emulate her, fundy beliefs and all. Does she blanket train? I don't know but that ladder in the children's room makes me deeply uncomfortable. My daughter and her best friend would have climbed it, knocked it over and repurposed it before you could blink! It is not natural for children to be so very obedient ( and I'm speaking as one who was nauseatingly good as a child, a real "little angel ? "). I worry that Erin knows how to use her family to sell the fundy dream, how to present and package them so that more people are drawn into the cult. I think that she is currently the most dangerous Bates (and the one who is most like her mother).

[rebeccawriter01]

3 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Erin was glad or relieved that comment was cut. I’m wary of her because she seems to have a very similar personality to Kelly in my opinion, but I don’t think she ever imagined how cruel this comment would eventually seem when she actually said it. 

I'm not blaming Erin on that one. I was just relieved that someone at UP had the good sense to edit. They aren't always the most aware people when it comes to Michaela especially. That said, Erin can be a little like Kelly Jo in that she speaks without thinking. This wasn't an example of that though. 

[nolongerIFBx]

1 hour ago, Angelface said:

. . . ., married to the wonderful Chad ( who is an incredibly hard working guy which is not the norm for fundies), . . . .

I have to defend my dad, brother , and many other hard-working fundie men that i know. It might not be normal for Bates or Duggars but it isn't true across the entire culture. My dad has retired from two careers and currently in his third and earned his masters while working full-time. My brother did a double-major undergraduate degree working full-time and is working on his masters (although with 3 classes his employer is not requiring him to work a full 40-hour-week this semester; he probably will anyway!). I know those in construction, plumbing, and various other blue and white collar occupations often exceeding 40-hour weeks. JB and Gil may think they're too special to have to work full-time but most abide by "If any should not work, neither should he eat" (2 Thessalonians 3:10).

Edited August 27, 2019 by nolongerIFBx

[Angelface]

I apologise if I have offended NolongerIFBx regarding hard working or not hard working fundie men. I have read about the Bates, Duggars and Rodriguez families and only looked at a few families on Quiverful of snark so I do not have a large sample size of fundie families upon whom to base my assumptions. Many of the men in the families I mentioned do not appear to be hard working. The Bates sons-in-law all seem to have real jobs that bring in a wage. The Duggar sons work but it is not made very clear exactly what they do. Chad Paine has long been depicted as a hard working man and I think that Erin feels very lucky to have a husband with such a good work ethic.  

I stand corrected that many other men in this religious group are hard working. I must broaden my reading. 

[rebeccawriter01]

1 hour ago, Angelface said:

I apologise if I have offended NolongerIFBx regarding hard working or not hard working fundie men. I have read about the Bates, Duggars and Rodriguez families and only looked at a few families on Quiverful of snark so I do not have a large sample size of fundie families upon whom to base my assumptions. Many of the men in the families I mentioned do not appear to be hard working. The Bates sons-in-law all seem to have real jobs that bring in a wage. The Duggar sons work but it is not made very clear exactly what they do. Chad Paine has long been depicted as a hard working man and I think that Erin feels very lucky to have a husband with such a good work ethic.  

I stand corrected that many other men in this religious group are hard working. I must broaden my reading. 

In the Bates family the sons in law are all judged by what they bring to the table in terms of money, skills, etc. Chad was and is the benchmark because he was the first son in law. He has the most practical skills with the broadest range. The other siblings and Gil/Kelly use him for it. That's how it has been portrayed. He was shown in the early seasons as working at the metal place, coming home to restore furniture, using his off time to give haircuts to the younger boys, building a toddler bed for Bradley, decorating the nursery as Erin supervised, doing odd jobs for Gil, etc., etc., etc. If those skills and attributes are not just for show, one has to wonder what he could have done with the proper education and support. 

Subsequent sons in law have had skillsets that are strong too - especially in the trades. But either they are not broadly based as he is or not as inclined to become the next errand boy for Gil and Kelly. They seem to play along with that while "courting," but once married they seem to disappear. 

The one exception is Brandon who is not as blue collar oriented as the others. Even Bobby, who studied ministry, is not opposed to working with his hands and took on the job that Chad had and now is working with Kelton. Brandon's a bit more creative and cerebral than the others. I sometimes think Gil doesn't necessarily relate as well to him as say Chad, Bobby, Kelton, Evan, or John because there isn't that common link. 

I think the Duggars are the exception and not the rule. In fact, many fundie families have men who work themselves into an early grave. My cousin is very much a fundy wife and stays home to raise their eight kids. Her husband (only 36) just had his second heart attack. These people have no life insurance, barely basic health insurance, and no skills to fall back on at all. I asked my cousin had she considered going to work to help with the expenses. She told me bluntly that wasn't her role. I look at these fundie families on television and wonder how would some of them cope if something happened to the husband. At least some of the Bates girls have learned skills that would help them support themselves and with any luck a few kids. But music lessons and teaching at the local church school aren't going to pay for too many bills and kids.  

[Melissa1977]

@Angelface while Erin may be using her image to sell their cult, I think she mostly is a very perfectionist person and needs everything exactly as it pleases her. She would be a *perfect* instagram mom even if she was an atheist. But you're right, she may be attracting people to the cult and poisoning them with a hidden hate message.

I admire determination and hard work and those who are goal focused. And Erin has been like that since she was very young. But on the other side, she shows herself as self-centered and spoiled, and her wishes come always first. She makes Chad keep working on HER projects no matter how exhausted he is. I think she's a survivor and she learned that keeping sweet and pretty and creative put her in a superior position at home, and probably it was good for her (she could study while sisters had more chores than her, because music was the most important), but she still wants to be treated as a princess and it's not great for the partner or the kids.

[lumpentheologie]

Katie's special friend Travis just moved into the dorms at Vision Baptist College, an unaccredited bible college associated with his church and high school. ? It looks like for men they only offer 4-year degrees, so I doubt he and Katie will be getting married anytime soon.  I wonder if he'll be doing Ministry or Music.  There's not much there that looks like it could lead to supporting a family. 

 

ETA: it also seems that his cousin Mandie, who sings in their family band, has continued to work (in a salon) as a cosmetologist even after having a baby. So maybe he would be open to Katie doing that too. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by lumpentheologie

[seraaa]

4 hours ago, lumpentheologie said:

Katie's special friend Travis just moved into the dorms at Vision Baptist College, an unaccredited bible college associated with his church and high school. ? It looks like for men they only offer 4-year degrees, so I doubt he and Katie will be getting married anytime soon.  I wonder if he'll be doing Ministry or Music.  There's not much there that looks like it could lead to supporting a family. 

 

ETA: it also seems that his cousin Mandie, who sings in their family band, has continued to work (in a salon) as a cosmetologist even after having a baby. So maybe he would be open to Katie doing that too. 

Oh that's interesting.

Speaking of university, will Michaela have started her nursing course yet? Is everyone going back at this time?

[JermajestyDuggar]

4 hours ago, seraaa said:

Oh that's interesting.

Speaking of university, will Michaela have started her nursing course yet? Is everyone going back at this time?

I can’t remember which college she’s attending. The starting dates of college can vary depending on whether they go by quarters or semesters and how long their breaks are. 

[squiddysquid]

The boys are with some christian organisation called mediccorps, helping the "Bohemian" (their spelling) authorities.

If they only fly in and out of the Bahamas to transport water and supplies with private planes, I guess some of them have the training for that - but if Nathan and Lawson are just there doing poverty porn selfies posing as medical staff, I swear...

They did that a while, but not where Carlin posed with some orphans and Evan praised her for that and the guys tried their hands at dentistry (again, WTF?)

I really do hope the coordinate with the Bahamian authorities and got the OK beforehand, those unskilled do-gooders make the situation worse more often than not.

Edited September 3, 2019 by squiddysquid

[Kelsey]

Is Medic Corps a Duggar venture? 

I think Nathan, JD, and Austin are EMTs. 

[ColeJo]

I don't know if it's any indication, but the website is run by Johnson Marketing and Media. Many of the websites created/managed by them have been associates with the Bates.

[squiddysquid]

EMTs, cute. To put that into perspective Doctors Without Borders requires docs to have at least 2 years of experience AFTER they finish their specialty.

"EMTs usually complete a course such as UCLA's EMT course that is about 120-150 hours in length. Paramedic courses can be between 1,200 to 1,800 hours. EMT and paramedic courses consist of lectures, hands-on skills training, and clinical and/or field internships. EMTs are educated in many skills including CPR, giving patients oxygen, administering glucose for diabetics, and helping others with treatments for asthma attacks or allergic reactions. With very few exceptions, such as in the case of auto-injectors for allergic reactions, EMTs are not allowed to provide treatments that requiring breaking the skin: that means no needles.  " 

https://www.cpc.mednet.ucla.edu/node/27

Btw some Duggars are there too; Jana Jason James, John

Edited September 3, 2019 by squiddysquid
wtf pic of Nathan posing as a dentist and some poverty porn with some thrilled kids from Carlin

[llucie]

Nathan is not an EMT, he is a first responder or EMR, so he is even less qualified.

So i hope they are just using their plane or helicopter pilot knowledge to help transport food, water or medical resources, and thats it. 

[indianabones]

1 hour ago, llucie said:

Nathan is not an EMT, he is a first responder or EMR, so he is even less qualified.

So i hope they are just using their plane or helicopter pilot knowledge to help transport food, water or medical resources, and thats it. 

Don't forget they're also there to provide spiritual help! And all for the low cost of $15,000-$20,000!

Too bad the Duggars and Bates are schilling for donations rather than Jim Bob covering the whole thing.

[Audrey2]

3 hours ago, squiddysquid said:

EMTs, cute. To put that into perspective Doctors Without Borders requires docs to have at least 2 years of experience AFTER they finish their specialty.

"EMTs usually complete a course such as UCLA's EMT course that is about 120-150 hours in length. Paramedic courses can be between 1,200 to 1,800 hours. EMT and paramedic courses consist of lectures, hands-on skills training, and clinical and/or field internships. EMTs are educated in many skills including CPR, giving patients oxygen, administering glucose for diabetics, and helping others with treatments for asthma attacks or allergic reactions. With very few exceptions, such as in the case of auto-injectors for allergic reactions, EMTs are not allowed to provide treatments that requiring breaking the skin: that means no needles.  " 

https://www.cpc.mednet.ucla.edu/node/27

Btw some Duggars are there too; Jana Jason James, John

Why does Nathan make me think of the Dentist scene and song from Little Shop of Horrors?

 

[JordynDarby5]

Why the are they once again performing dentistry when they have no training? Who allows people with zero training to do that? 

[ColeJo]

I don't know why they needed to create their own disaster relief organization (besides having something with their name on it). There are other ministries and other disaster relief organizations they could partner with (Samaritan's Purse, Convoy of Hope, etc.). There is one organization in my area called Missionary Aviation Fellowship that would be perfect for the pilots at least. They also do disaster relief. I just think it is a better use of resources to partner with an existing organization. Other reasons to have your own organization are if you are providing resources that others don't or if you want to serve a particular area.

[RosyDaisy]

My husband (an EMT and first responder) is shaking his head saying these people don't know what in hell they're doing and could really hurt somebody.

[marmalade]

Mediccorps' P.O. box is in Springdale, AR. I see you, Duggars. ?

[ColeJo]

Thanks to Reddit, I found out that the AP and NBC Nightly News featured Lawson and the "organization." There are other people and organizations closer to the situation who are well aware of the immediate needs of those affected. Being his usual attention whore self.

Edited September 4, 2019 by ColeJo

[Audrey2]

Yikes! Lawson will "help" by taking selfies with the residents!

[Melissa1977]

Should we assume that Carlin is not pregnant? If she is, it would be very irresponsible to travel to a disaster zone, because there's danger of poisoned water, illness and infections. (Maybe I'm assuming the disaster is worse that it is in reality).

About the Bates playing doctors, I don't even want to comment, because it makes me soooo angry. Would they send their babies to a false doctor or dentist? No, they visit real doctors. The fact they consider themselves trained enough to *heal* non white kids, but not for their own kids, is such a high level of racism that makes me SHOUT!

[Tim-Tom Biblethumper]

I don't think Carlin's in the Bahamas.  Those aren't Bahamian children.

Speaking of EMT's and certifications and such...
Isn't Michaela supposed to be an EMT?  Now that she's back in TN and doesn't have children (of her own) to look after, why doesn't she go on these mission relief trips?

[Tim-Tom Biblethumper]

Since I knew this wasn't the Bahamas I was curious where the pic came from and did some looking around.
It was posted on Evan's insta over 2 years ago, and was taken in the Philippines.  
 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Tim-Tom Biblethumper
Double photo