Michelle 2: Mom of 13 & YouTuber Accused of Neglect on Dr. Phil

[3splenty]

I work with medically fragile kids.  Omg, this woman is about to exceed the limits of my blood pressure medication.

[luv2laugh]

I can't tell if she is not very concerned about health out of genuine naivety or a fear of doctors?

She is gung-ho in her videos about Autism Awareness now... Why wasn't she educating her followers earlier about it? I wonder if she regrets her homebirth NOW that she admits she was ignorant about the heart complications that come with DS? Nope, doubt it...

I believe her when she says that she did not know, in her heart, that Millie had the diagnosis until right after giving birth because I think she experienced a mental block about it until she had to face reality.

The doctors told her very early on about the diagnosis, and she mentioned that. I have a feeling that she has a deep distrust of doctors. I hope this changes for baby Millie's sake because Michelle needs to open her mind so she can accept and learn what the experts tell her so she can give Millie good care.

Millie might need to see specialists multiple times a year.

Given their financial struggles, I hate to say it but they are lucky they are part of the Mormon church  because, if they regularly attend the church, drink the LDS koolaid, and show them that Rod is doing everything they can, I believe the church will continue to financially support them.

[Beermeet]

4 hours ago, zee_four said:

One of my exs was an EMT A working on his Paramedic certification when we lived together. EMTs have a lot more training with things like injuries than treating health issues and disease. On that front they're equiped to stabilize a patient and get them to a doctor. A special needs newborn is so far out of that specialty its absurd. But i guess compared to the other woo she believes in an EMT experience is more legit.

 

I live on the Utah border and am in and out of the state a lot. I know for awhile Utah had the highest rate of antidepressant use in the nation. I'm sure thats changed a bit with the woo that's becoming more popular with younget SAHMs. The UT and other western white Mormon culture (ID, NV, AZ, CO) is very unique. A lot of my ohana is LDS for God knows what reason (actually I know its because they were the original missionaries to Hawai'i and other Polynesian islands but it still baffles me with the belief dark skin is a mark of being a traitor from that long ago intergalactic battle) and they definitely have a culture very different from mainland haole LDS and especially from Utah LDS.

My Samoan friend and her family are Mormon. The mormons definitely make their rounds to the Pacific Islands.  She's really sweet and fun. She's kind of a "bad" mormon.  Drinks sometimes than gets back on good foot. Not alcoholic, just likes to party here and there. Refuses to treat gay people any differently and does not feel they go to hell. I didn't dare ask about the skin color thing.  She seems happy as a temple mormon and is grounded in reality.  Not all members of her family are mormon, so I think that helps her not get crazy about it. 

I briefly worked for a mormon. Nice guy ( of course, lol). He had many mormon patients.  One lady was really into talking to me, wanted me to marry her son. Um, no thanks.  Her and the Dr. would talk about how mormons eat a lot of meat and take a lot of prescription meds as their vices. It's not a drug drug, it's a prescription drug so it's ok!  They didn't think so but were speaking in general.  

[JermajestyDuggar]

I’m going to throw this out there. I bet Michelle is the type that is crazy prolife. She probably condemns mothers who abort due to a DS diagnosis (those tests are quite accurate these days). Yet here she is, putting the life of her baby in jeopardy and seems to be unbothered. I just don’t get it.

[SisNancy]

On 3/1/2019 at 12:14 AM, ViolaSebastian said:

 One of the things that struck me when I was watching her videos is that the kids never make an impromptu appearance--even in her live videos. In other mothers' videos, such as J-Rod and Zsu, the kids are popping in because so-and-so is hungry or asking if they can go outside to play, etc. It's almost eerie that this mom has so many young kids, but they never pop up in her videos except for specific segments to show them off. It indicates to me that there's not a lot of interaction that's happening in that household. 

During the homebirth one child tries when mom is hugging visitors.   She literally swats ans shoos the kid away as he tries to hug her. It was hard to watch.  Mom then continues to socialize with visitors.  

[Beermeet]

28 minutes ago, SisNancy said:

During the homebirth one child tries when mom is hugging visitors.   She literally swats ans shoos the kid away as he tries to hug her. It was hard to watch.  Mom then continues to socialize with visitors.  

That is so F'd up. Cruel. I hate this woman!  

[luv2laugh]

She went LIVE 45 minutes ago.

Someone mentioned they are from South Korea (or something) and for once (?), she mentioned that she has a son that served a 2 year mission in South Korea (yep, Mormon mission but I'm not sure why she won't admit it)

[Hashtag Blessed]

I know this is the least of her issues but I thought Mormons aren’t supposed to drink hot drinks other than hot chocolate? 

That’s definitely a rule according to this:

https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Word_of_Wisdom/Hot_drinks

 Maybe some mormons believe herbal tea doesn’t count as tea? But I’ve definitely heard from some that it does count. I guess Michelle must fall in the former category.

This is such a minor non-issue in comparison to her child neglect, of course. I was just surprised to see her drinking teas. 

Oh also, not a single video has been under 30 minutes. She was so full of shit to claim she only spends 15 minutes a day on them. My big question is: Does she know she was full of shit? Or does she just grossly underestimate the amount of time she spends on them? 

[Beermeet]

5 minutes ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

I know this is the least of her issues but I thought Mormons aren’t supposed to drink hot drinks other than hot chocolate? 

That’s definitely a rule according to this:

https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Word_of_Wisdom/Hot_drinks

 Maybe some mormons believe herbal tea doesn’t count as tea? But I’ve definitely heard from some that it does count. I guess Michelle must fall in the former category.

This is such a minor non-issue in comparison to her child neglect, of course. I was just surprised to see her drinking teas. 

Oh also, not a single video has been under 30 minutes. She was so full of shit to claim she only spends 15 minutes a day on them. My big question is: Does she know she was full of shit? Or does she just grossly underestimate the amount of time she spends on them? 

I was under the impression it's a caffeine thing. Huh.  Hot chocolate and herbal tea are fine, no?  To them, caffeine is a habit forming drug. For instance, coca cola is a no go but root beer is fine.  

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[ViolaSebastian]

21 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

I was under the impression it's a caffeine thing. Huh.  Hot chocolate and herbal tea are fine, no?  To them, caffeine is a habit forming drug. For instance, coca cola is a no go but root beer is fine.  

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Coca Cola is okay now...

https://religionnews.com/2012/08/31/its-official-coke-and-pepsi-are-ok-for-mormons/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mormon-church-owned-byu-reverses-six-decade-ban-on-selling-caffeinated-drinks-2017-09-21

[Beermeet]

5 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Coca Cola is okay now...

https://religionnews.com/2012/08/31/its-official-coke-and-pepsi-are-ok-for-mormons/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mormon-church-owned-byu-reverses-six-decade-ban-on-selling-caffeinated-drinks-2017-09-21

Well, thank you Jesus!  Not that I drink soda much at all or am Mormon, but still. A coke every now and again hits the spot!  Usually when I'm sick, I just want one. In my younger days, fatty food and a coke was standard hangover fair. ?

[luv2laugh]

1 hour ago, Beermeet said:

I was under the impression it's a caffeine thing. Huh.  Hot chocolate and herbal tea are fine, no?  To them, caffeine is a habit forming drug. For instance, coca cola is a no go but root beer is fine.  

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The Mormon missionaries actually told me caffeine pills are ok but no coffee and no tea. They told me they won’t even meet people at a Starbucks. I am surprised Michelle is drinking herbal tea. @Beermeet

[smittykins]

9 hours ago, Beermeet said:

I was under the impression it's a caffeine thing. Huh.  Hot chocolate and herbal tea are fine, no?  To them, caffeine is a habit forming drug. For instance, coca cola is a no go but root beer is fine.  

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I once read a teen magazine from the early 70s(when the Osmonds were big)and there was a letter from a fan who was confused when she saw a photo of one of them drinking an orange soda and “I thought they weren’t supposed to do that?” Of course, it was explained that orange soda has no caffeine, so it was allowed.

[Dreadcrumbs]

9 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

The Mormon missionaries actually told me caffeine pills are ok but no coffee and no tea. They told me they won’t even meet people at a Starbucks. I am surprised Michelle is drinking herbal tea. @Beermeet

Caffeine pill fine, but not beverages with caffeine? Huh. Mormon rules about beverages are confusing sometimes.

[JermajestyDuggar]

14 minutes ago, Dreadcrumbs said:

Caffeine pill fine, but not beverages with caffeine? Huh. Mormon rules about beverages are confusing sometimes.

I’ll be honest, much of religion is confusing. I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with all that mental gymnastics anymore. 

[ViolaSebastian]

14 hours ago, Beermeet said:

Well, thank you Jesus!  Not that I drink soda much at all or am Mormon, but still. A coke every now and again hits the spot!  Usually when I'm sick, I just want one. In my younger days, fatty food and a coke was standard hangover fair. ?

The rumor out there is that the LDS church loosened the reins on caffeine because they amassed stock in the Coca Cola company. 

I grew up with quite a few Mormon kids and it's always been a fascination of mine. (Maybe where the roots of my interest in weird Christianity started? Who knows). In any case, I took a class a few years ago on Latin America and one of the things we discussed was the rise in the popularity of evangelical Christianity and Mormonism within indigenous populations, as well as generally. One of the things that was brought up was that Mormonism, with its strict prohibition against alcohol, can be really appealing to people who have experienced hardship because of alcohol abuse, either their own or a family member. 

[luv2laugh]

5 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I’ll be honest, much of religion is confusing. I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with all that mental gymnastics anymore. 

The Mormon missionaries told me it's because the Word of Wisdom (LDS literature) tells them not to drink "hot drinks". Mormons interpret the meaning of "hot drinks" in the Word of Wisdom as coffee and tea. 

I engaged with them once and they continue to call my phone and show up at my house every other month (note: this is normal. If you engage them, they will never go away). If I am available, I don't avoid them. Avoiding them and being rude to them (MANY are) only fuels their persecution complex. They are naive teenagers, the majority I've dealt with are straight out of Utah, and I want them to understand that other people are loving despite not being Mormon.

In fact, the majority of Mormon Missionaries are not familiar with their church's history. They are told not to view anything "anti-Mormon" and that includes many books on LDS church history unfortunately. They are only allowed to learn church history from books published and touted by the Mormon church or the church's website.

Many ex-Mormons have served a 2 year mission so there's a good chance that many will leave the faith after their mission one day.

OT note: Abby Huntsman on The View married someone from college that was NOT a Mormon... Abby is from Mormon Royalty as not only is she the daughter from the billionaire Huntsman family but also because she's a great-grandaughter of a Mormon Apostle. She talked about (I believe on John Dehlin's Mormon Stories YouTube) how the church criticized her and shamed her for it. After dating a non-Mormon for one month, the Bishop called her in and said "We hear you're dating someone not of the faith. If you marry him, your children will not be blessed and will not go to the Celestial Kingdom". She stopped going to the church over that and over how they treat LGBTQ people. Also, she's had a career for a long time and gave birth after 30 which is RARE for Mormon women... Most Mormon women get married ASAP after college graduation and sometimes even during college. 

If you want to learn more about things regarding the Mormon church and how it's affected people, John Dehlin's Mormon Stories is excellent. John Dehlin has a PhD in psychology and was excommunicated from Mormonism.

 

Mormon Stories: Abby Huntsman and Carrie Sheffield Discuss Their Transition Out of Mormonism
It's long BUT WORTH WATCHING. They speak in depth about their struggles with the Mormon church.

About the coffee and tea discussion earlier, Abby said in college (she was still active in a Mormon ward), she started drinking coffee and chai tea. When she'd go to Starbucks, she was afraid people from her ward would see her so she talked about how, after making an order, she didn't get it-- she ran out. She couldn't let anyone see her with a Starbucks cup.

[ViolaSebastian]

I teeter between atheist and agnostic, but I just have a difficult time believing that God gives a crap if someone has a caffe latte with their breakfast in the morning, you know? 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Just now, ViolaSebastian said:

I teeter between atheist and agnostic, but I just have a difficult time believing that God gives a crap if someone has a caffe latte with their breakfast in the morning, you know? 

When I was a Christian, I was convinced god didn’t care about the tiny shit that so many fundies seem to agonize over. Because it MAKES NO SENSE that god would care about hot tea, exposed knees, and getting felt up by your boyfriend. 

[ViolaSebastian]

6 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

When I was a Christian, I was convinced god didn’t care about the tiny shit that so many fundies seem to agonize over. Because it MAKES NO SENSE that god would care about hot tea, exposed knees, and getting felt up by your boyfriend. 

I've really fallen away since I moved--I think it's partly the political situation in the U.S. right now, which makes for contemplation.

[Howl]

2 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

One of the things that was brought up was that Mormonism, with its strict prohibition against alcohol, can be really appealing to people who have experienced hardship because of alcohol abuse, either their own or a family member. 

This is how my Irish ancestors ended up in the US.  My Irish great grandmother converted to Mormonism in Ireland, because of her husband's alcoholism,  and eventually the whole family came over.  The conversion didn't take with my grandfather so none of us are Mormon, but there's definitely a Mormon branch of the family. 

[Lisafer]

38 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

I teeter between atheist and agnostic, but I just have a difficult time believing that God gives a crap if someone has a caffe latte with their breakfast in the morning, you know? 

I'm actually pretty sure that coffee IS the beverage of the gods. Joseph Smith just misunderstood Moroni. 

[luv2laugh]

I am surprised to hear that former alcoholics have/are converting to Mormonism because of their anti-alcohol stance? Why wouldn't they become Baptists as well? Baptists, the strict ones, don't drink alcohol. 

I went to a Baptist wedding. The bride was from Bob Jones University. There was no alcohol and no dancing. The reception was VERY QUICK. Side note: The bride and groom are no longer baptists and they attend a more accepting church but I can't remember what kind.

[ViolaSebastian]

10 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

I am surprised to hear that former alcoholics have/are converting to Mormonism because of their anti-alcohol stance? Why wouldn't they become Baptists as well? Baptists, the strict ones, don't drink alcohol. 

I went to a Baptist wedding. The bride was from Bob Jones University. There was no alcohol and no dancing. The reception was VERY QUICK. Side note: The bride and groom are no longer baptists and they attend a more accepting church but I can't remember what kind.

I should clarify, they are becoming Baptist as well, it's just a matter of which missionaries are there and manage to hold more sway. 

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1 hour ago, ViolaSebastian said:

I should clarify, they are becoming Baptist as well, it's just a matter of which missionaries are there and manage to hold more sway. 

It's probably a matter of preference as well. The Mormons seem a bit more fun than the Baptists to be honest.