John David is courting Abbie Grace Burnett

[elsiedindin]

I wouldn't be surprised if she continued to work at least PRN after marriage/kids. Depending on the facility that can be as little as one shift every six weeks or so --totally manageable and a nice little chunk of extra income. And LPN school is no picnic -- she's got a real incentive to keep her license current and active.

Even in fundy-land, women sometimes work for pay. Plenty of VF families back in the day had or participated in small businesses, and some of them involved women working outside the home. Fundies of the ATI or VF persuasion were perfectly happy to yell through internet bullhorns about how A Woman's Place Is In The Home while excusing their own working female relative because well that's different. Turns out that having ten kids is expensive, who knew? And sometimes dad's awesome para-church "ministry" of podcasts or whatever doesn't actually pay in money. 

[VeryNikeSeamstress]

Burgars and Duggetts... Why am I suddenly craving McDonald's french fries?

The grandchildren could be known as Jim Bob's Burgars.

[Chewing Gum]

17 hours ago, karen77 said:

They probably wanted to announce ahead of the wedding this weekend, in case pictures got out.

That, and TLC is filming this week. 

Edit: originally I figured it would be for the courting that they’ll be filming but since it’s the duggars, and on the Dillards website the photo capture says “may 2018”. I expect an engagment within 3 weeks and marriage by september. 

[Captain Obvious]

2 hours ago, Iamtheway said:

Gravid is the word for pregnant in Swedish. Seems appropriate. 

I vote Jobbie since they both have jobs and that sadly might be something very rare when it comes to Duggar relationships. 

Jabby-Gravid then! Also it would be an accurate description of Duggar sex ed (there’s some jabbing and bingo! Pregnant!).

And in Scotland, a jobbie is, well, a turd. Let’s wait until they turn into Derick clones before using that.

[Rachel333]

2 hours ago, Iamtheway said:

Gravid is the word for pregnant in Swedish. Seems appropriate. 

It's an English word too, meaning the same thing! It's just not really used casually in that sense.

[Meggo]

Every still pic I've seen of these two - they look like they're about ready to tip over. Like they're leaning REALLY far forward and I just want to gently nudge them back in the upright position.

I'm interested that she's a nurse - I hope that she gets to continue that for a while and doesn't fall into the baby-makin' trap immediately. (surely she knows how to avoid that.. even if they just plan on NFP).
I like that she doesn't have the sappy baby voice and adoring gaze thing going on. She might be fundie - but she also seems like she maybe has it a little more together than Joy and Kendra? (who are just babies)

Maybe Jana can go live with them after a time and then drop off JimBoob's radar and get to do fun things - like - go to movies and listen to music. (I get the impression Mr. Bachelor till the Rapture might be a little bit on board with loosening up the rules)

[emmeline]

I thought JD was going in for a kiss at one point in the video. They look very comfortable with each other, and from the way he was talking about how quickly they fell in love, I expect an engagement announcement by the end of July with the wedding probably in October or November. 

On that note, I can't wait (sarcasm alert) to hear again how courting prevents them from losing pieces of their heart - given JD said they fell in love before they were even courting. 

[Pecansforeveryone]

4 hours ago, elsiedindin said:

I wouldn't be surprised if she continued to work at least PRN after marriage/kids. Depending on the facility that can be as little as one shift every six weeks or so --totally manageable and a nice little chunk of extra income. And LPN school is no picnic -- she's got a real incentive to keep her license current and active.

Even in fundy-land, women sometimes work for pay. Plenty of VF families back in the day had or participated in small businesses, and some of them involved women working outside the home. Fundies of the ATI or VF persuasion were perfectly happy to yell through internet bullhorns about how A Woman's Place Is In The Home while excusing their own working female relative because well that's different. Turns out that having ten kids is expensive, who knew? And sometimes dad's awesome para-church "ministry" of podcasts or whatever doesn't actually pay in money. 

This exactly. The Duggars have TLC money which the vast majority of fundies don't. JB was unusually savy in deal making. Papa Forsyth has been divorced. Kendra parents may have gotten frisky before marriage. Fundies find ways to justify themselves time and time again.  

[habert]

16 hours ago, amendgitan said:

There are plenty of SAHD's who never find anyone and just keep aging, while taking care of Daddy and his brood. Some are quite attractive. So I don't know that that's true. Also, Jana seems very shy to me. Might make it harder to catch some dude's attention, especially when they aren't allowed to actively seek out someone or show they're interested. 

I appreciate your point because it’s not wrong, but that Jana is the exception to the rule in that she is well known and arguable (C/D list) famous. Giving no attention doesn’t fail her, she already probably has lots of attention and for years. So, the moment she would rather be married than anything else, even be in love, she could be married within a matter of months waaay easier than almost all other fundie women. Creeps and “genuine” suitors are probably reaching out in numbers beyond our imaginations. 

[HereticHick]

12 hours ago, Bethella said:

Spouses and children:

 

Caleb is engaged to Kasey Goodwin, the wedding is July 7, 2018

So John David will be Abbie's date for the that wedding. I guess he could go the Joe Duggar route and get down on his knee during the reception.

I would not be surprised (although I bet neither family would admit it) that these two have occasionally been in JD's plane or car without a chaperone.

[Italiangirl]

i was thinking after JD there is Jana and the Boy twin in courting age right? So even if Jabbie will take a little longer road that what many think and get married around Christmas, 2019 will be Jana year with her courtship and wedding, plus all the new babies, what will the Duggar do for 2020? i mean usually, the boys start courting around 23, so 2020 will be early for Jed and Jer, will then CO end? or will they found a way to keep it up slowing down the marriage?

[nst]

have we missed the videos from the siblings because I need to see that!!!

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

I think JD and Abbie seem so comfortable together because they are older. They are actual mature adults. Unlike the teen brides and early 20s grooms we keep seeing in fundieland. When you’re that young you aren’t even fully sure in WHO you are! How can you be sure you are marrying the person that is going to be a good match 10 years from now? There’s just such a striking difference between couples that I can’t imagine none of the other fundies don’t see it.

I also get the impression over the years that JD doesn’t really care about the little rules that fundies uphold. Like skirts only. I imagine he doesn’t care if Abbie wears pants or skirts. I bet she will wear skirts around his family but pants at other times. JD doesn’t seem like the type to focus on the small stuff. 

[Alice in Fundieland]

56 minutes ago, Italiangirl said:

i was thinking after JD there is Jana and the Boy twin in courting age right? So even if Jabbie will take a little longer road that what many think and get married around Christmas, 2019 will be Jana year with her courtship and wedding, plus all the new babies, what will the Duggar do for 2020? i mean usually, the boys start courting around 23, so 2020 will be early for Jed and Jer, will then CO end? or will they found a way to keep it up slowing down the marriage?

They will just recap all the recaps of courtships, marriages, and babies plus throw in a few specials with the births of new babies. The grandkids who are featured on CO - Spurgeon, Izzy, Henry - will do some cute talking heads where they comment on footage of themselves as babies. That will buy them time until the next J kid is ready to enter into a courtship.

[Alisamer]

I'm beginning to hope Jana is the one to eventually do the tell-all book deal - "A closetful of bridesmaid dresses, a family full of rules - my life as a sister-mom."

I do hope JD maybe is the one that has actually "got" the Bible's message of love, and realizes all the little rules are just distractions. It would be easy for him to pull away a bit, and maybe by time they choose to have a kid they can invite Jana to come be a live-in nanny to help out (with pay, and her own private space, and plenty of freedom).

I know this is all wishful thinking, but I think of all the Duggars JD seems to be the most normal. He just doesn't seem as... IDK. Grifty? Sleazy? Lazy? Steeped in Kool-Aid? He seems more like a regular guy, with a little drive and some sense, and more exposure to regular people. And with a wife with education and a real job (that also involves plenty of exposure to regular people), I think it's reasonable to have a bit of hope for them.

[Alice in Fundieland]

I get the impression that JD shrugs off a lot of the Duggar hang-ups. IMO it isn’t an intentional rebellion, just that he doesn’t see the point of so many rules and restrictions. He just seems like a no-nonsense kind of guy and it is endearing. At least this is the way he is presented on Counting On. I realize his actual personality could be quite different from the image cultivated by television producers.

[Screamapillar]

I just remembered I used to follow the Burnett family blog years ago. I'd forgotten all about them. I found them mundanely fascinating in that scary way that makes you think, "Hey these people aren't that bad.".  They're not obnoxious as shit like the Bates and not they're not crazy as shit like the Maxwells, they're just kind of.....there.

 

[singsingsing]

I am way too pessimistic for this thread.  But seriously. All I see are two fundies who so far give me absolutely no reason to believe that they'll be anything but full-on fundie, or that their relationship is somehow significantly more healthy and stable because they happen to be ~6 years older. I'm sitting here with my cynical brain just waiting for the backlash to start when they announce that they'll be leaving their family size up to God, Abbie of course won't be working outside the home at a j-o-b after she's a mommy, oh and abortion = the Holocaust. #VoteTrump!

And by the way, I 100% hope that I'm wrong about all of that. I do think we're all due for a major wake-up call re: John-David, though. 

[SassyPants]

19 hours ago, anjulibai said:

I don't it's possible to say what Jana really wants or how much of a choice she has in anything. Her culture really doesn't allow that - she's beholden to what her parents' want. I hope it's her choice to be single, but I don't think there's any evidence to point either way.

That said, it has to be hard to be the only uncoupled person among the oldest siblings. They get to go do things she does not, and that has to be hard, no matter what friend she has to keep her company in the house. It's all just a weird situation. 

Yep. It's not her single hood that is the problem, it's the fact that she's considered a child because she's still single that I take issue with...I'm sure a couple of the girls (Duggars and Bates) who married to get out of the house. I also firmly believe that Jana has a lot more freedoms than the Duggars would every publicly admit. I doubt she needs a chaperone to go to Aldi for the weekly buy-

[JermajestyDuggar]

4 minutes ago, Alice in Fundieland said:

I get the impression that JD shrugs off a lot of the Duggar hang-ups. IMO it isn’t an intentional rebellion, just that he doesn’t see the point of so many rules and restrictions. He just seems like a no-nonsense kind of guy and it is endearing. At least this is the way he is presented on Counting On. I realize his actual personality could be quite different from the image cultivated by television producers.

I also get the impression he takes the big things very seriously. Like the stuff with Josh. I find it endearing because my husband is like that. He shrugs off the little stuff but is extremely serious about important things. 

[Alice in Fundieland]

@singsingsing I see what you’re saying and I don’t disagree with you. I feel like the bar has been lowered so much that I’m just happy JD isn’t trying to shove his toxic beliefs down our throats. I’m hanging on to a sliver of hope because it’s all I have, but I won’t be surprised if they’re married by Thanksgiving and announce a pregnancy by Christmas. 

[HereticHick]

8 minutes ago, Alice in Fundieland said:

@singsingsing I see what you’re saying and I don’t disagree with you. I feel like the bar has been lowered so much that I’m just happy JD isn’t trying to shove his toxic beliefs down our throats. I’m hanging on to a sliver of hope because it’s all I have, but I won’t be surprised if they’re married by Thanksgiving and announce a pregnancy by Christmas. 

I don't think even a Duggar would announce a pregnancy at 5 weeks.  But I certainly can see them married by New Year's

[JermajestyDuggar]

I have never been a fundie humper by any means but I am also very vocal on FJ about not painting all fundies with the same brush. I hate seeing all fundies seen in a black and white way because that’s basically how fundies live their lives. Everything is black and white to them. So when you see a few shades of gray in their lives (like Abbie being an LPN), I appreciate it for what it is. I appreciate any deviation from the norm. I don’t expect a 180 from JD. If they change, it will probably be slow and steady. It’s usually the younger fundies that do a complete 180. I think it’s important to recognize any fundie doing things a little differently. But that recognition does not mean I think they are going to start wearing bikinis, voting for Bernie Sanders, and  become planned parenthood escorts tomorrow. 

[Jana814]

9 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I also get the impression he takes the big things very seriously. Like the stuff with Josh. I find it endearing because my husband is like that. He shrugs off the little stuff but is extremely serious about important things. 

I definitely agree about this when it comes to John-David. I also think he always had Josh & his sisters to be his voice. When he was interviewed after the Josh scandal came out it was the most I ever heard him speak. He rarely was interviewed and to me at least looked uncomfortable in front of the camera. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

I guess a good example is John Maxwell marrying Chelsy. I never expected them to suddenly change after the wedding. But I was happy for John because he can actually be with a family that enjoys FUN. Maybe they will make some changes over the years, but I expect they still share the beliefs of their parents.