Joy and Austin 13: Another Duggar Pregnancy Grandbaby 10

[Flossie]

12 hours ago, JPickleDuggar said:

What's up with them not announcing due dates anymore? I get not saying when the weddings are, but no due date announcement? 

Probably because when a pregnancy goes overdue people get 'baby watch fatigue', and annoyed when it goes on seemingly forever.

Plus, in the case of the Duggars, they don't have the ususal prenatal care that would set the due date more accurately, so they guesstimate wrong.  What they should say is "Baby due sometime in the second week of September, although it's not set in stone.  It could happen in the first or third week instead.  You'll know when we know."  

I've never had an initial due date stay the same, it's always adjusted at least once.  It's common.  I can't think of anyone I know who had their ETA set earlier, it's always later.  I wonder if babies can just stop every now and again and not do anything for a few days, thus setting their ETA back a little.  All I know is that by the fourth month the ETA is pretty fixed, then it's up to nature if the baby comes earlier or later.  

[SassyPants]

12 minutes ago, Tryamon said:

I'm a pretty privat person, so I already get uncomfortable with coworkers knowing too much about my private life. I can't even imagine what it is like to have people making videos of me, examining my body so closely, following every public move. It sounds like a nightmare. 

Add to it the belief system that you can sin by merely thinking or causing others to think bad thoughts. What must it be like to be raised to be a role model to people that judge you. It must feel like running on a never ending treadmill. 

Or they could solve this privacy issue by stopping the show and getting jobs that match their educations, experiences and skill sets. I guess they have each weighed the odds and decided the easy money is worth the loss of privacy and anonymity.

[SadieJane]

17 hours ago, Season of life... said:

I loved Dean Butler's portrayal of Almanzo!  I thought Almanzo's character in the books was very heroic; I read my copies of The Long Winter and Farmer Boy to rags.

The real "Manly" wasn't too shabby, either.

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Oooooooo hellllllllo manly....

[fluffernutter]

I super-heart Almonzo. Loved the episode when Mrs. Oleson was trying to play match-maker for him and Nellie and was calling out to him "ZALDAMO!!!!" She could never get his name right. 

[SadieJane]

Omg how much I love hate the Olsens. I need to go binge some little house. Maybe I'll start reading them with my daughter tonight.

[mstee]

Did they say what season she's due? What I've been seeing lately a lot on social media is "we're excited to meet our baby next summer!" etc. A nice way to let people know approximately when the baby is coming but not too pinpointed where people who are only acquaintances would be asking if the baby is here yet. Obviously to each their own but I think it would've helped prevent people's speculations about premarital sex (maybe). 

[singsingsing]

They haven't said the season, and I'm wondering if it's because she's due in early-mid March. In that case she would be due in the Winter. But if they say she's due in the Winter. people are going to misunderstand, think 'Christmas time', and go crazy saying that she obviously conceived before the wedding.

I think they've stopped giving the due date after what happened with Jill. She went overdue and I'm sure the scrutiny was exhausting. Most pregnant women get sick of people asking them where the baby is, for the Duggars it must be x100. I'm sure they tell close family and friends.

[Ms. Squishels]

1 hour ago, SadieJane said:

The real "Manly" wasn't too shabby, either.

I've only ever seen a picture of Almanzo as an older man.  Hey, Manly!!!  He was a very nice looking!

[MoonFace]

6 hours ago, CarrotCake said:

 

This 'doctor' even claims 6 months, which would mean the baby should be passed as three months premature. Some people are just stupid.

 

Unless I missed it, I don't believe this 'doctor' is an OB/GYN - and even at that, unless he's examined her it's all a guess.    

Guess we will not know until she pops that little bugger out.    

[sassyNoz47]

I'm just now catching up on this thread. But to all who said they didn't want to be a grandma before 50's makes me lol. I'm 47 I have a 5 year old grand son. As well as a 2 year old grandson. He just turned 2 in July. However I did not want to me a mom of a toddler at 47 no just no it's exhausting. I already have a 13 year old still at home who's has special needs I thought she was hard work! She easy compared to a 2 yr old. But when my grandsons was 15 months old. Actually on the day he turned 15 months. I basicially Gained another child. In 3 days it will be a year and he's still here. 

However I married at 19, all I wanted in life was to have kids was not raised fundy at all. But I did go to church and I was super religious on my own. No parental influce. I refused to have sex before marriage I really thought I'd go to hell my parents even told me it wasn't true. My mom made sure there was birth control avaliable to me although I never used it. I simply would not do the deed before marriage anyway. I married my husband in June after meeting him in March. We planned a November wedding but decided one June night we wanted to marry that weekend. Parents had a fit but we had a actual wedding . Rumor mill ran wild I must be preggers. I wasn't I didn't even have sex on my honeymoon. I was chicken true story. I didn't want to rush into a baby though. So we had child # 1 6 weeks before our 2nd wedding aniversary.  It was also my 21st b-day. I planned all my pregnacies and I only had unprotected sex on the 2 nights i knew I ovulated. 

With my first I got pregnant the first month of trying. The next 2 born over the next 3 to 6 years after the first. It took 2 months of trying but only I protected when I knew I could conceive. The reason why makes me sound weird so I won't go there lol. 

Baby number 4 I wasn't sure I wanted a 4th. I decided I did when #3 was 5 but after 3 months of trying it didn't happen so I decided it wasn't  meant to be. And we stopped trying. 

I had a moment when my 3 was about to turn 7 that I was feeling the need. I told dh we would try it once if it worked it was meant to be if not then we wouldn't have more period. It did happen that one only try so I had #4 when the baby was almost 8. My oldest 13 , my oldest married her high school sweet heart at 18 young I know. He was 21, they had a son 3 years later she was 21 so that made me a grandma at 42. That marriage fell apart shortly before baby turned 2. My perfect little girl (well perfect to me) went down hill shortly after a pain mangment doctor had her on drugs she should of never been on. This led to drug addiction she lost custody of baby number 1 she does have joint now but rarely sees him. Her choice. She got pg and settled down for about a year with baby daddy number 2,seemed to get her life together. But alas the drugs won. She's finally admitted she's got a problem but just aged off insurance and honestly she's in so deep , I'm scared every day. But because of these series of events I have her baby number 2. When that child was born she was still legally married to baby daddy number 1. They hadn't been together for over 2 years. She had filed a full 2 1/2 years prior for divorce. They were in a custody battled Actually they both wanted full custody he had gained full temp but the real trial for custody kept getting put off by the courts for over 2 years. So baby daddy number 2 couldn't be put on the birth certificate by our states law her husband was the father. 

Baby isn't even the same race as him so it's obvious and pretty screwed up all around. But none the less no father was listed. But her husband did have rights until the divorce hearing when he agreed to sign that he wasn't the Dad. So baby daddy is still not on the birth certificate my daughter is the only legal parent. Therefore we have the child but his dad is very very involved and sees him daily. My daughter will go months sad all around. My sons now ages 24 and 21 have not given me grandchildren the younger is in his senior year at collage. He's 3 hours away so that's hard but he's doing awesome. He won't have kids until he's well into a career. 

I wont knock young marriage or young moms. I did great with both. Still married 28 years later. I had a career we had kids all planned. I guess looking back I was lucky blessed with fertility I didn't realize so many had issues with it until years later. I never experienced a miscarriage so I don't know the pain of that. My daughter struggled with both those issues. I knew my dates of conception my OB did actually listen to me and go with my dates. But no matter what you plan in life things don't go as planned. My daughter was the type of girl who was the best parent ever to her first . Happy in a career marriage and motherhood. And it took a unexpected tragic turn. Which left everyone in debelive. All my careful planning met nothing. Here I am instead of just enjoying my youngest and basically only since her sibs are long gone , I've had to learn to juggle a infant then as the days turned into a year a toddler. But we get by I love him we all do. So who am I to judge , previously I would have but the last couple year proved to me that even the best laid out plans don't work so it is what it is.  

[Nikedagain?]

I think it's absolutely ABSURD that anyone would speculate that any of these kidults (I don't know about the lost girls yet...) are "violating" the courtship rules.

They're so indoctrinated (as is Austin) that is laughable. And I don't think they care what the general (heathen) public thinks about the timing of conception. 

She's just emphasizing her pooch with raw abandon. 

[calimojo]

1 hour ago, SassyPants said:

Or they could solve this privacy issue by stopping the show and getting jobs that match their educations, experiences and skill sets. I guess they have each weighed the odds and decided the easy money is worth the loss of privacy and anonymity.

This is perhaps one of the most perfect and concise posts on this site ever!! 

Exactly.  I don't feel too badly about the speculation.  By including an approximate due date, they could have brought some of the speculation to a halt.  Instead they show several pictures of Joy with a fairly large gravid tummy.  They must know that people are going to see that tummy and wonder when she conceived. 

They could end this.  She could have worn a looser fit top.  That pic of she and Austin at the young repugnants conference would have been perfect.  She was wearing "the dress", but nothing focused on the big tummy. 

But no, She wears a tight t-shirt with Austin cupping the large tummy and then they speak vaguely about when the baby is due.  I would go so far as to say that not only did they decide a loss of privacy is a fair price to pay for theri comfortably lifestyle, but I think they court the lack of privacy.  They put out morsels of information that are geared to raise more speculation and thus more hits on the SM accounts, more viewers for the show, etc. 

Joy is young, and she doesn't know any other way of life, I suppose.  So I am sorry for her that she was forced into a life of exploitation by her horribly parents, but now that she is old enough to decide to marry and have a baby,  she gets to take more responsibility for her life now. 

They always have the option to live as private citizens.  Austin has some skills.  Joy seems to be able to work hard and could run a day care out of the home or something to make ends meet.  But, no, They chose to be in one of the rings of the circus.  In my opinion she doesn't get to post pictures of her pregnant belly and then feel picked on when people think she looks larger than expected and wonder why.    And you know, just as they have with Jessa's pregnancies, they will milk the possibility it is twins. 

Now would be a perfect time for a good headship, to step in and protect his bride.  Now would be the time for Austin to say- Enough.  We aren't going to put ourselves and our future child on public display and invite intrusion, criticism, etc.  IMO, That is what a good, strong, decisive, protective and loving Headship would do. 

[SassyPants]

5 minutes ago, calimojo said:

Joy is young, and she doesn't know any other way of life, I suppose.  So I am sorry for her that she was forced into a life of exploitation by her horribly parents, but now that she is old enough to decide to marry and have a baby,  she gets to take more responsibility for her life now. 

THIS^ is the billion dollar question, IMO. At what point do the kidults become responsible for their own decisions? IMO, it's when they are living away from Duggarville, have procreated another, AND continue the cycle. You start exploiting your own kid for easy money, you are NOW fully responsible and deserving of whatever flack and negativity that come your way!!!!

[calimojo]

1 minute ago, SassyPants said:

THIS^ is the billion dollar question, IMO. At what point do the kidults become responsible for their own decisions? IMO, it's when they are living away from Duggarville, have procreated another, AND continue the cycle. You start exploiting your own kid for easy money, you are NOW fully responsible and deserving of whatever flack and negativity that come your way!!!!

Austin is older and didn't live his entire life in the public eye.  So, as headship,  he has say in this.  If he is signing on to this as it would appear at this point, then I would say they decided to sacrifice privacy for easy money.  It is disappointing.  Austin seems like a straight arrow, and I wondered if he might pull Joy away from the circus.  I assumed he was similar in belief system with the duggars, so I didn't think that would change, but I thought he might actually behave like a reasonable man, who has the best interest of his family at heart. 

I wonder, if Austin has political aspirations?  If so, he needs to invest in getting some tutoring for Joy so she can be fluent in English, and he needs to work on his own charisma in front of the camera.  He seems likeable enough when he relaxes a bit, but much of the time he looks very stiff and uncomfortable. 

[JesusCampSongs]

12 minutes ago, calimojo said:

Austin is older and didn't live his entire life in the public eye.  So, as headship,  he has say in this.  If he is signing on to this as it would appear at this point, then I would say they decided to sacrifice privacy for easy money.  It is disappointing.  Austin seems like a straight arrow, and I wondered if he might pull Joy away from the circus.  I assumed he was similar in belief system with the duggars, so I didn't think that would change, but I thought he might actually behave like a reasonable man, who has the best interest of his family at heart. 

Maybe agreeing to be on the show is part of the infamous 50-page questionnaire. 

[calimojo]

Could be, but once they are married,  he can do as he pleases IF, he is willing to support his own family, away from any financial help from JB.

And if any of these kids want to play dirty with JB to keep the money flowing,  all they have to do is threaten to go public with more details on the Josh situation, How the parents handled it, their life pre-TLC and Pre TTH.  Etc. 

 

The kids hold some cards.  True, they are loyal and don't want to hurt their siblings, etc.  But it wouldn't be all that hard to have a few private moments with JB and say, Hmm, we are going to go in a different direction.  Joy is used to a certain lifestyle, so we would appreciate you giving her the fair share of the money she earned from the time of filming forward.  Toss in a nice place to live and one of the better cars from the lot over the years and we won't need to sell our story to the tabloids.

[JillyO]

23 minutes ago, calimojo said:

The kids hold some cards.  True, they are loyal and don't want to hurt their siblings, etc.  But it wouldn't be all that hard to have a few private moments with JB and say, Hmm, we are going to go in a different direction.  Joy is used to a certain lifestyle, so we would appreciate you giving her the fair share of the money she earned from the time of filming forward.  Toss in a nice place to live and one of the better cars from the lot over the years and we won't need to sell our story to the tabloids.

Uh, yeah. That's called blackmail.

[Tangy Bee]

52 minutes ago, Nikedagain? said:

I think it's absolutely ABSURD that anyone would speculate that any of these kidults (I don't know about the lost girls yet...) are "violating" the courtship rules.

They're so indoctrinated (as is Austin) that is laughable. And I don't think they care what the general (heathen) public thinks about the timing of conception. 

She's just emphasizing her pooch with raw abandon. 

I agree. They are praying for people who disagree or who don't live as they do. All Joy's life, JB has used scripture to explain the "outside" world. You might not remember this, but while the Duggars were in Europe they encoutered a man swallowing knifes I think. JB decides to ask him what faith he worshiped. The man said he was an atheist. JB promptly touches the man and starts to pray. I will NEVER forget the look on Joy's face. She was a kid at the time. The look was a mixture of confusion and sadness for that man. What do you all think? Everyone interprets things differently. Being 19, she still has time to see options differently. Hope see realizes before her 8th baby.

[cascarones]

3 hours ago, Flossie said:

Plus, in the case of the Duggars, they don't have the ususal prenatal care that would set the due date more accurately, so they guesstimate wrong.  What they should say is "Baby due sometime in the second week of September, although it's not set in stone.  It could happen in the first or third week instead.  You'll know when we know."  

I've never had an initial due date stay the same, it's always adjusted at least once.  It's common. 

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Yep, we're just using holidays as benchmarks of baby is expected sometime around Easter. I'm playing with my baby names spreadsheet and am tickled at the idea of it being twin girls, and Austin and Joy naming them Charlotte and Savannah. I can see them choosing place names as a theme for their kids, given Joy loves wearing that Austin sweatshirt she has.

I've got a male friend who hates city names and his wife teases him that their triplets will be Austin, Dallas and Houston. 

[onekidanddone]

8 minutes ago, cascarones said:

I'm playing with my baby names spreadsheet and am tickled at the idea of it being twin girls, and Austin and Joy naming them Charlotte and Savannah.

If they are going for place names  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

[Snarkle Motion]

1 hour ago, Nikedagain? said:

I think it's absolutely ABSURD that anyone would speculate that any of these kidults (I don't know about the lost girls yet...) are "violating" the courtship rules.

They're so indoctrinated (as is Austin) that is laughable. And I don't think they care what the general (heathen) public thinks about the timing of conception. 

She's just emphasizing her pooch with raw abandon. 

I actually think the show makes it unlikely for them to break courtship rules as there is extra scrutiny on their behavior. But their belief system? People have had the same beliefs/rules throughout time and plenty still ended up pregnant before marriage. In a way, the forbiddeness may make it even more seductive to get caught up in the moment. 

I suspect they are likely announcing as soon as possible because a honeymoon baby is basically God rewarding you and  approving your marriage.

I highly doubt anything happened before the wedding, but my creep radar is pinged with Austin and his father. Something is off there, not sure what, and I just don't completely trust Austin. So I also wouldn't be shocked if he did manage to find away before marriage. Joy was crying when she was apart from him which makes me think she's immature and naive, her own family has not modeled healthy relationships or physical boundaries, and their belief system involves submission to men - these are factors that I think would make it possible to be pressured into premarital sex inspite of its supposed sinfulness.

Also, joy and Austin had relative alone time when working on houses? His dad was the chaperone, correct? But his dad was also busy working/assisting with projects and not necessarily watching them every second. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they had an opportunity for alone time.

[SorenaJ]

59 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

If they are going for place names  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

Apparently Intercourse was formerly known as Cross Keys. Should probably have stuck with that. 

[singsingsing]

How about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildo,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador?

Or for silly but non-risque possibilities, my personal favourite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_Factory

[candygirl200413]

My friend has a Intercourse, PA car decal in her car which gets me every time

[Henk12]

So I was just watching the announcement video. Why do the Duggars/fundies speak so slowly? At first I thought it was a southern thing but I don't think it is. It's almost like the fundie women try to sound sweeter or something? Does anyone else notice that? I feel like it takes them forever to say one thing.