Lori Alexander 19: Hating Birth Control, Consistency, and Logic

[onemama]

Ok, let's get this straight: husband makes a mistake ( because he ignored your advice) and causes distress and suffering to the whole family,  your response should be: 

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You can give him one reminder but if he doesn’t do as you have asked and suffers for it, along with the family, this is how it goes. He’s the head of the home and bears the responsibility of how to run it, whether it is successful or a failure. But you are only responsible for your behavior towards so continue to be kind, forgiving, showing grace, submissive, loving, and cheerful knowing that God is ultimately in control. Hopefully, he will learn from his mistakes.

But if it's your teenage daughter, then you can call her a pig, a slut, tell her that she'll never find a Mr. Nice because he will be disgusted with her if she's slet with other men before,  and you can (or should) even threaten her with eviction on her 18th birthday. 

This woman has no idea what love is. She is so disgusting, I'm sitting here and typing and I'm trembling inside.  I posted (for the first time) on facebook, stating that this is not a loving mother's response to her daugher, that it's sick, and her itchy finger hit the delete button before the minute was up.  She is horrible. A lover of lies. Cruel and so blind and full of herself she's incapable of seeing any of it. 

 

[Red Jumper]

1 minute ago, onemama said:

stating that this is not a loving mother's response to her daugher, that it's sick,

I wonder if fundies talk to their daughters like that. Scaring children with hell and eviction, calling them names probably fit for low-class pornography

Would my mother answered like that it would have been the last time I talked honestly with her. Why should I listen to someone who talks like that? Who calls all my friends pigs ? Who obviously has never heard of condoms and is therefore unqualified to give any advice? Who tells me that all single mothers out there screwed up children? Which tells me i will not be enough for the child?

I wasn't exposed to such filthy talking. I still didn't get an STD. i managed to make good-enough decisions with whom i had sex and with whom i didn't i have sex. My future husband was not disgusted when we met at 19. Would he have been disgusted he would not have been a nice man and i would not have married him.

Where i come from many women didn't have an intact family to raise their children: Many men were at war. Many never came back. Others had been imprisoned so long they missed the reproductive years of their love or missed the whole childhood of their children. Some came back and couldn't cope with life because of what they had seen. Sometimes the father disappeared in a concentration camp and the wife+children survived in hiding. Sometimes the father was simply the soldier that had raped the woman. Sometimes the father was abusive. Sometimes the mother had the strength to leave him and start out a new life.
There are still plenty of people out there that weren't screwed up. Because they had the love of their mother and she did the best she could to raise her little darlings.

 

Now excuse me, i want to call my in-laws. One of the stories is her's, another his mother's.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Genital wars?? Lol

[Hane]

Was I ecstatic when I learned that my 17-year-old daughter had begun a sexual relationship with her boyfriend? No, as a fairly old-fashioned Italian Catholic, I wasn't. But I was happy that she was in a safe and consensual relationship with a boy who loved and respected her, that she had taken the initiative to go to Planned Parenthood for oral BC, *and* they were also using condoms (what the girls in her school called the Fort Knox Method). Tell me, St. Lori and "Dr." Laura, was I supposed to call her a pig and a slut and kick her out of the house for that? She went on to earn two degrees, develop a career, marry a kind and decent man, and have a wonderful child. Please tell me what I did wrong. I'm listening.

[usmcmom]

Lori's smug response of "portion control," is rather disingenuous. She has said several times that she has always struggled to keep weight on, due to her many illnesses. In one of her recent videos she said this has been a struggle for years and now that she can eat more (for whatever reason - can't remember)  she will have to be more careful. Still, I don't think her recent improvement in health has suddenly led to her being an expert on portion control. 

As far as being more careful in what she eats, I doubt that will be a problem. I think Ken will be more than happy to point out when she has gained a pound or two. 

Speaking of Lori's appearance; I have an aunt who is just eight years older than I, making her Lori's age, I think. Isn't she 58?  Anyway, I desperately wish I could post my aunt's most recent Facebook update. She looks gorgeous and so much younger than Lori. AAAANNNNND, she lives in Alaska. She does not get a lot of sun but that cold winter air can be very hard on the skin. Also, my seventy-year-old aunt has amazingly smooth and flawless skin. She is very pale (like I am) and she has aged beautifully by protecting herself from the sun. I resemble her a great deal so I vainly hope I age exactly as she has. Lori's California life has not been good to her at all. Of course, if she would use a bit of sunscreen she could have avoided most of that skin damage. 

 

[Hisey]

2 hours ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

Genital wars?? Lol

Genital wars on your vagina!!

Let the genital wars begin!

OK, I get it. Lori and "Dr" Laura do not believe in premarital sex. However, if you talk this way to a teenager, you are going to shut them right down.

Maybe such ferocious "scolding"  might work with a 10 year old who was lying or stealing from stores. But by 16, your peers, your hormones and your boyfriend are vastly more important to you than your parents' opinion. I'm not saying you can't, possibly, talk a sixteen year old out of premarital sex (depends on the kid). I'm saying this is NOT the way to do so.

3 hours ago, onemama said:

Oh, my, her post today. 

She links to this audio by Dr. Laura. 3.30 minutes of ... I don't know. Horrible.  http://drlauradl.noxsolutions.com/audio/calls/2017-05-26_c_Brenda.mp3

Does your 16-year-old daughter want to start having sex because all her peers are having sex?  Tell her: 

Dr Laura adds the threat that "if you don't comply, it's a countdown from here until you turn eighten, when you'll be booted out of our home".  And "no cake for your 18th, just a kick in the backside, straight out the door". 

Is this love? 

There has to be a better way. 

How about asking your daughter "why?"  Really, the truth: "why?"  And sitting down for a proper mother to daughter conversation.

If I were 16 and in love, I'd take that as a challenge. I'd save my money and find a friend to share an apartment with. On my 18th birthday, I'd be out of the house long before Dr. Laura had even gotten out of bed. No boot to backside necessary.

[cindyluvs24]

Slightly OT but Facebook ran a live feed of Hillary's speech to this year's graduating class of Wellesley College.  Boy, I wish Lori could have listened and looked at those young women.  

[Koala]

"slut" 

"pig"

"humps" 

"disgusted" 

"genital wars on your vagina"

"screw up"

"pumping him dry"

"This is all most husbands want...a naked wife who smiles a lot"

You're such a classy lady, Lori.

Meanwhile in the Bible:

Philippians 4:8 

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Also in the Bible:

John 8:7

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

No doubt, Lori would have been the first in line....

[kpmom]

It's funny that she quotes "Dr." Laura as they always remind me of each other.

I used to hate listen to Laura on the radio, but got to the point where I couldn't stand to do even that.  Similar to a lot of us here at FJ not being able to read Lori's tripe.

[onemama]

@Koala, you hit the nail in the head with that post.  Lori's lost the plot completely. 

[onemama]

Joyce asks:

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Wow, is this the same response of a parent to a sixteen year old son? Thanks.

Lori: 

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Well, no, because they can’t have an abortion and be a mother, but you could certainly change it up a bit and be just a blunt and truthful with a son.

Here's Lisa Bevere (the preacher lady Lori was bashing the other day on her blog) with her four sons talking about sexual purity:

And here's a short video of her talking about sexual purity:

Somehow, this "false prophet" manages to bring across why sexual purity is something that a Christian might want to aspire to live in. Married or single. 

 

[polecat]

8 hours ago, Red Jumper said:

I wonder if fundies talk to their daughters like that. Scaring children with hell and eviction, calling them names probably fit for low-class pornography

As someone who grew up fundie (ifb), I can say that yes, some most certainly do. Probably not all, though. 

Now, for Dr. Laura, she's an idiot if she really said these things. A monstrously evil idiot.  

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I want you to be the only girl who can get to 25, meet a nice man and not say she’s had 15 humps with 82 guys so that he’s disgusted with you.

 

The math doesn't even work here. But again -- wtg with your daughter's super special vagina that makes her "not like other girls." Yay! 

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I’d like you to be the only one in your group who doesn’t get an STD ...

Wishing STDs on teen girls. Classy. Remember that cheerleading mom who tried to murder the mother of her daughter's rival? This is the type of person who does that type of lunacy.

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can give you cancer later on

There's a shot for that. I recommend it.

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I’d like you to be the only one in your group who thinks that sex and love should be holding each other with tenderness.

You really don't want any other woman but your sooper-special-vulva-having daughter experiencing love and real intimacy? You really wish that every other one of your daughter's girlfriends experience empty, loveless relationships? You're a special kind of dickweasel, aren't you? No wonder Lori loved this message.
 

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I want you to be the only one who doesn’t screw up a kid.

And her venomous hate doesn't stop with her daughter's friends. She continues wishing ill on those kids' (future) children.

What a douchenoggin. I'm so disgusted and angry after reading that vile message I can't even logic straight.

[Free Jana Duggar]

Oh that Dr. Laura is awful.  First of all, I have a 16 year old daughter.  If she were to come to me and say she wanted to start having sex, my first question would be "Why?" I would never threaten her. That is a sure way to shut down any future communication. Some teens will make bad choices, but the condemnation and judgement in that woman's response is horrible. I don't believe in abortion, but that's the kind of garbage that makes some girls think it's the only answer.  

Ya'll might think I'm nuts, but what I did with my daughter was require her to do research on various STD's and the failure rates of different forms of birth control before she ever went out alone with a boy.

I made her list several birth control methods along with how they worked and the failure rate. I made her list different STDs with symptoms and treatment and prognosis I wanted her informed by her own research and not to take someone else's word for it or let some boy give her false information.

Her father and I have discussed with her that we want her to wait, and she says she will. 

 

[polecat]

And now on Facebook, they're talking about marriage at 14 and 16 because the onset of puberty is so early compared to the age of legal marriage. 

[Fascinated]

11 minutes ago, polecat said:

And now on Facebook, they're talking about marriage at 14 and 16 because the onset of puberty is so early compared to the age of legal marriage. 

Yes, I had the pleasure of reading this earlier. It's a sound argument. Abstinence is the only correct teaching and if the little hussies won't abstain in a godly manner once their hormones kick in, then they should be married off posthaste. I mean, look at Mary and Joseph for god's sake.  It really is a perfectly reasonable stance. 

[Koala]

She is batshit.  Absolutely batshit.

@Free Jana Duggar I was thinking the same thing.  I think a girl with a mother like Lori might be more likely to slip away quietly and have an abortion, rather than face being called a "pig" or a "slut".  Of course, she'd still be left with all of the messages about being "worthless" to a "good man". 

I also think Lori would pull the "boys will be boys" card with a son, whereas, she'd shame and berate a daughter.

Lori's a vulgar woman.  She's pretty much told her readers in no uncertain terms that her marriage is a steady cash for steady sex exchange- no love necessary.  Where she gets the gall to call other women "pigs" and "sluts" just mystifies me.  It's no small wonder that the leaders of her church told her to keep her mouth shut when she's on their property.  Her message is poison, and they probably didn't want the women of the church subjected to it.
 

Looking over the comments...just wow.

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My problem with Dr. Laura's response is all I hear is judgement, name calling and condemnation. This is the kind of attitude that turns people off from Christianity. It's what makes girls feel abortion is their only answer. Jesus did not talk to the woman at the well that way. Nor did he talk to the adultruos woman about to be stoned that way. 

Why can't the mother just have an open conversation about why this young lady needs to follow God's plan and wait? Educate her on STDs and the fact that birth control does not always work and how her life would be different raising a child so young. Talk. Don't name call and condemn.

Lori, of course, is 100% sure that name calling is exactly what Jesus would want from a godly woman such as herself:

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I am not so sure about that. He told the woman at the well about her sinful past and he told the adulterous woman to "go and sin no more." 

He also said, "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her".   I am 100% certain that calling her a "pig" or a "slut" is not what Jesus had in mind.

[smittykins]

Somehow, I don't remember Jesus saying "Go and sin no more, you slut" in the Bible.

[EowynW]

Did y'all see that completely effed up quote she posted? Women really just wanted to get married and have babies and in order to do that they had to "find a good man who made a comfortable income." bullshit.

that reduces husbands to workhorses and sperm producers. This makes me want to cry. Literally. My husband is so so so much more than his paycheck. And is ability to sire odd should we ever have them. And according to Lori he'd be a failure because he doesn't make "a comfortable income" plus he's sweet, gentle and laid back. I hate her  hate her. How  dare she view people this way. 

That isnt why I married. I married the man I loved. The man who has been my friend for 23 years. "Comfortable income" is a shit reason and kids would just be a stressful but pleasant topping onto our marriage but being a mom is not. why. I. married. period 

[Koala]

Lori:

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I’d like you to be the only one in your group who doesn’t get an STD and genital wars on your vagina 

Ken:

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I’d like you to be the only one in your group who doesn’t get an STD and genital wars on your penis 

The Genital Wars: Brought to you by Ken and Lori Alexander 

[louisa05]

27 minutes ago, EowynW said:

Did y'all see that completely effed up quote she posted? Women really just wanted to get married and have babies and in order to do that they had to "find a good man who made a comfortable income." bullshit.  that reduces husbands to workhorses and sperm producers. 

Well, she has pretty much reduced women to maids and whores already, so why not? 

[usmcmom]

So if kids get married at 16, and women are supposed to look for a man with a good paycheck; where is this 16 year old husband supposed to make a livable wage to support his ever pregnant wife??  Or are we supposed to let our teenagers get married and live with us so they can have sex but no adult responsibilities. And, once that teen bride has a baby...guess what!! She is still a teen mother! A marriage license does not suddenly make a sixteen year old ready to be a parent!* 

*I do know women who were teen mothers and did an amazing job raising their kids. I am not generalizing - just reflecting on Lori's very bizarre thinking, which is teen motherhood is bad; unless that teenager is married...to another teenager. 

I also am getting a very clear picture as to why Alyssa high tailed it out of that house as soon as she could and why Cassi always looks so broken. I can't imagine what Ken and Lori said to those girls to "keep 'em pure."  

[EowynW]

Well if it was anything like my parents told us about staying "pure" then gag me with a spoon. 

[Joyce]

While Lori and Ken were talking about genital wars, I remembered Star Wars so I made a list of episodes for Genital Wars:

I -The Phantom Illness
II - Attack of the Crones
III - Revenge of the Filth
IV - A New Dope
V - The Empress Strikes Back
VI - Return of the Mad Eye
VII - The Whores Awaken
VIII - The Last Mad Eye

[Koala]

Lori:

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I am not going to publish comments that teach things that are contrary to what I teach. 

Interesting, because this comment has been up for 6 hours:
 

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Stephen Martin 

Mary married Joseph when she was 14 after living in his house since she was 12 and she gave birth at 15.

The 18 or older law is not biblical. But if parents want their daughter to not marry until a certain age then the daughter must obey the parents. As a matter of fact, without the fathers consent, a woman cannot enter a God-ordained marriage to any man. Numbers 30.

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Lori deletes comment right and left.  Why on earth is she allowing this degenerate's comment to stand?

[slp]

About the Dr. Laura thing:  The Bible says "Speak the truth in LOVE."  not one thing in that speech was loving.  Jesus was forgiving, loving, and kind to the woman at the well, to Mary Magdalene, and numerous other 'sinners'.  We, as Christians, are to be Christlike. Nothing about that was Christlike.

And that comment about Mary living in his house since age 12?  WHERE is that in the Bible?