Captain Bret Alan Smith Part 4: Now with Bad Poetry!

[fundiefan]

Ask if I feel an ounce of pity for Jackie not seeing Katie's kids in ten months. She doesn't deserve their love. Whatever is going on with Alan and the clear family division, the side Jackie is on is a side I wouldn't let a child go near, ever.

Bret & Jackie are horrible human beings and while I don't typically praise family division, all the adult kids who have cut them out are better off and have done the right thing.

The could have supported and loved their son and everyone else; it's unfortunate to say but many families have done just that. Loving and supporting a child charged with a crime does not have to be at the exclusion of your other kids and if you care enough and try enough, you can love them all. Even if they are kept separate. Without trying to guilt others into seeing and doing things your way; without having to have your other kids support their sibling. 

Getting at the truth, working to heal the damage, getting the charged son help...all things that can be done, no matter that it's no doubt hard as hell. 

They choose to pretend they and their criminally charged son are god's chosen people and all others aren't HONORING them enough...guess what, Smith shits...you don't deserve honor, from anyone. 

They make me beyond sick and I am so glad all those grandkids have been removed from their influence.

[Glasgowghirl]

I'm so happy she divorced him and her family are supporting her. I didn't know much about the Morton family before Alan's arrest but I respect them for supporting Katie and her children and supporting the case against Alan. To many families both fundie and non fundie hide abuse to save face. 

Alan's parents make me sick they continue to support Alan and moan about how hard he's got it in prison. He deserves everything that's coming to him and more. They can complain all they like about not seeing their grandchildren but why should Katie let her children any where near them.

[Bethella]

On 4/30/2017 at 4:11 PM, fundiefan said:

Not initially - it took a couple years for them to do the state/legal marriage thing.  She washed his feet in 06 but got a marriage license in 08. So, for a while at least, they did follow the Pearl way of not needing no stinking license. 

Do you know the date of the legal marriage?

4 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Oh ok thank you. What's the name of the grandma married to grandpa Morton? 

Alma Smith (Cap'n Bret's mother) married Dr. Jerome Cox (Jeanine Morton's father) on June 16, 2007

[FrumperedCat]

21 minutes ago, Bethella said:

Do you know the date of the legal marriage?

Not the same poster but I found the rough date the other day from the announcement in the local paper. http://www.moultrieobserver.com/news/local_news/marriages-divorces-for-the-oct-edition/article_d3fd81a4-6027-5d00-8bc9-ad557fa8c20b.html

It was reported for the October 29th edition so I would assume the marriage date is in October, though no specific date

[Mudgie]

Scarlett has posted some pretty nasty crap of her own. I'm kind of surprised she's allowed to see the kids. Isn't she the one who posted on her FB page that the Go Fund Me wasn't legitimate? I'm under the impression that she's in as much denial about his guilt as his parents. 

If they haven't seen the children in 10 months, then I speculate they either behaved really reprehensibly towards Katie and the children in regards to their son or they cannot be trusted to keep their grandchildren safe. There may even be court orders preventing contact. Pure speculation on my part, but it does make one wonder.

Katie looks healthy and strong. I have a tremendous amount of respect for her. Protecting our children is supposed to be the one thing we do above all else as Mothers. I can't even imagine what a nightmare this has been for her and her children. 

[JMO]

If I were Katie I'd shut down who could share pics of my kids.  I saw that picture on Addie's IG.  I'm not FB friends with either Addie or Katie so I don't know who else's account it was posted to.  Jackie is a passive aggressive POS.  May the Smiths never see their grandkids again.  Any of them.   And Jackie, out of the 20 something grandkids you only posted a happy birthday message to one in the past year.  And you had 4 new grandkids born in the past year and yet I don't remember seeing a single post about any of them.  I smell some manipulative PA bullshit.  

[Grimalkin]

    I was really hard on Grandma Scarlett. I wonder how the news was broken to her and what she was told by Jackie. This kind of thing must be really hard to accept and come to terms with. Maybe she has come around. Who knows. 

[ophelia]

13 hours ago, Mudgie said:

Katie looks healthy and strong. I have a tremendous amount of respect for her. Protecting our children is supposed to be the one thing we do above all else as Mothers. I can't even imagine what a nightmare this has been for her and her children. 

I agree with you 100% and I really wonder how she (or anybody in this situation) deals with it. How do you explain to your younger kids that he isn't coming home? Do you tell them that he has done something bad? Do you explain he is in prison? And how do you deal with kids missing their daddy, just because it is their daddy. Do you hold back all the pain and suffering he put you through and keep nice, because your kids have a right to love their father no matter what? I've been asking myself these things since the whole catastrophe hit the surface.

[Bethella]

2 minutes ago, ophelia said:

I agree with you 100% and I really wonder how she (or anybody in this situation) deals with it. How do you explain to your younger kids that he isn't coming home? Do you tell them that he has done something bad? Do you explain he is in prison? And how do you deal with kids missing their daddy, just because it is their daddy. Do you hold back all the pain and suffering he put you through and keep nice, because your kids have a right to love their father no matter what? I've been asking myself these things since the whole catastrophe hit the surface.

One of the simpler explanations is that daddy did something bad and he's in a grown-up time out. 

[VVV]

17 hours ago, Grimalkin said:

    I was really hard on Grandma Scarlett. I wonder how the news was broken to her and what she was told by Jackie. This kind of thing must be really hard to accept and come to terms with. Maybe she has come around. Who knows. 

What should be hard on Grandma Scarlett and the disgusting Mrs. Cap'n is the idea that one of their precious little family members was badly hurt by someone who they trusted.

[Glasgowghirl]

8 hours ago, VVV said:

What should be hard on Grandma Scarlett and the disgusting Mrs. Cap'n is the idea that one of their precious little family members was badly hurt by someone who they trusted.

I think Scarlett was originally in denial about what he did and then apologised to Katie. Alan's parents continue to stick up for Alan and have chosen him over their grandchildren. They don't deserve access, Katie doesn't seem like the nasty spiteful person who'd use her children as a weapon, she is keeping them away from the grandparents for a good reason. 

[JesusCampSongs]

On 5/3/2017 at 7:02 PM, Glasgowghirl said:

I think Scarlett was originally in denial about what he did and then apologised to Katie. Alan's parents continue to stick up for Alan and have chosen him over their grandchildren. They don't deserve access, Katie doesn't seem like the nasty spiteful person who'd use her children as a weapon, she is keeping them away from the grandparents for a good reason. 

I agree, and Katie may have made that decision on the advice of the District Attorney or Child Protective Services. In my experience (Degreed Mental Health Professional who specializes in treating survivors of child sexual abuse) with cases like this, contact between warring family factions in situations like this one is strongly discouraged, particularly when one side is supporting/enabling the perpetrator. The risk of the case getting compromised is really high in situations like this one, where an enabling family could attempt to influence a victim. Not to mention all the psychological damage something like that would do to the child in question. 

[Nikedagain?]

And it bugs the hell out of me that she obviously doesn't spay and neuter her pets either. 

Irresponsible. 

[lexiloumarie]

On 5/1/2017 at 5:49 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

Oh ok thank you. What's the name of the grandma married to grandpa Morton? 

Alma Smith married Jerome Cox.
 

I see that's been posted - oops.

But I hope the secular authorities are a facotor in Katie's life. That would be a huge divergence for Mortons but a good one.

[Glasgowghirl]

18 hours ago, JesusCampSongs said:

I agree, and Katie may have made that decision on the advice of the District Attorney or Child Protective Services. In my experience (Degreed Mental Health Professional who specializes in treating survivors of child sexual abuse) with cases like this, contact between warring family factions in situations like this one is strongly discouraged, particularly when one side is supporting/enabling the perpetrator. The risk of the case getting compromised is really high in situations like this one, where an enabling family could attempt to influence a victim. Not to mention all the psychological damage something like that would do to the child in question. 

Katie and the Morton family are a great example of how you deal with abuse within the family, they may have horrible beliefs but they deserve some recognition for dealing with the allegations legally and not sending Alan of to Jesus jail or to do construction work.

[JermajestyDuggar]

16 hours ago, Nikedagain? said:

And it bugs the hell out of me that she obviously doesn't spay and neuter her pets either. 

Irresponsible. 

Her pets are practicing quiverfull as well. 

[ophelia]

15 hours ago, Glasgowghirl said:

Katie and the Morton family are a great example of how you deal with abuse within the family, they may have horrible beliefs but they deserve some recognition for dealing with the allegations legally and not sending Alan of to Jesus jail or to do construction work.

I have to add that I really hope other fundie families follow their example.

I'm still surprised how well they seems to handle the situation. Of course we don't really have any insights, but from the outside they are doing the right thing. Although we should not forget who put Katie in that situation.

But then again a childhood friend of mine met a really nice guy some years ago. We all loved him and we were so happy that she found new love, being a single mother and all. Fast forward 1,5 years she finds pornographic pictures of her four year old son on his computer. Unfortunately assholes like Alan aren't limited to the fundie world.

[fundiefan]

I was filling a friend in on the S'Morton saga and went to the old Smith blog to show her what I meant about Alan's pretentious comments to and about Katie in their not yet married years.

All the comments have been deleted.

Also, all photos from 2005 Film Festival are gone. The posts are there but the pics are removed. I don't know if that is new, I hadn't ever paid attention before. 

But my guess is, if you want to know what they're trying to hide and what connections they're trying to pretend didn't exist, watch the old blog and see the stupid things they do with it. 

Instead of, you know, just deleting the whole damn thing. I'm sure it's more godly to pick & choose what you remove, just as you pick & choose what a 2,000+ year old book means. 

[Black Aliss]

On 5/7/2017 at 4:27 PM, fundiefan said:

I was filling a friend in on the S'Morton saga and went to the old Smith blog to show her what I meant about Alan's pretentious comments to and about Katie in their not yet married years.

All the comments have been deleted.

Also, all photos from 2005 Film Festival are gone. The posts are there but the pics are removed. I don't know if that is new, I hadn't ever paid attention before. 

But my guess is, if you want to know what they're trying to hide and what connections they're trying to pretend didn't exist, watch the old blog and see the stupid things they do with it.

The first time I read this I thought you were talking about Katie's blog and that she had deleted all of the comments Alan had made on it. That made complete sense because I could see her wanting to keep her blog for the memories and pictures, but deleting comments that doubtless fill her with revulsion now.

Then I realized you were talking about the Smith blog and that everything about Katie had been deleted. Because she didn't keep the silence, she's now dead to them? Those people disgust me.

[fundiefan]

They haven't deleted actual posts about her - at least I know the wedding is still there because I started with that. They deleted the ridiculous comments on posts between Alan (mostly Alan pretending to be smart & witty) & Katie on the pictures when they were courting and before. 

Many similar comments and conversations still remain on the Morton blog.

Edited because now I can't find the wedding posts. So, um, never mind what I said before. 

[picklepizzas]

Uh, did anyone see the post about Jackie pouring silver drops into her poor kitten's infected eyes? Wtf? I mean I'm not a vet but that seems terrible??

[FleeJanaFree]

On 4/4/2017 at 7:09 PM, anjulibai said:

That's very true, but my guess is that a couple of things are at play. First, the Mortons, despite their beliefs and ignorance about the world, have a genuine sense of decency. Second, I suspect multiple adults must have caught Alan, perhaps even at once, so there was no way to excuse anything away.

What makes you suspect multiple adults caught him? That family members 'turned' on him?

[DaisyD]

I assume it's because of the lack of covering up among the large majority of the family.

[anjulibai]

13 hours ago, DaisyD said:

I assume it's because of the lack of covering up among the large majority of the family.

Yup. If a fair amount of people caught him in the act there's no deniability, no way to victim blame, no "your word against mine", no washing it under the rug. 

[mirele]

On 3/29/2017 at 9:39 PM, VVV said:

Honestly, if I were one of their adult daughters and I believed that (a) my brother had committed such a heinous act and (b) my parents were defending him at the expense of his wife and the parents' own grandchildren, I would absolutely no longer allow my parents to post pictures or share any information about my children. Not only would my parents be dead to me, but the idea of allowing the defenders of a child molester to share pictures of *my* children on social media would make me vomit.  Not to mention, my children would not be close enough to my parents for them to get any more photographs, and I sure as hell wouldn't be sharing any.

Just dropping in to say, this is exactly what happened in my family.  My mother has not flatly said that she was molested by her father, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened, because she has talked about the alcoholism. The day my mother turned 18, she moved out of his house and down the street to her girlfriend's. She had six months of school remaining. She got married at 19, didn't invite him (even though it was in the same town), had three kids and lived within 20 miles of him for 13 years, and we never met him. He died when I was 22 and I never met the guy. My mother would not talk about him. He was simply dead to her. If she wanted her stepmother (who she liked) to know anything, she would relay it through her older sister. After her father died, she reestablished a relationship with her stepmother. She has a picture on the fridge of her and stepmom at a bar. They're both laughing. I like to think it's because they survived.