Captain Bret Alan Smith Part 4: Now with Bad Poetry!

[JMO]

I agree with @SolomonFundy and will add that the Smiths don't deny what Alan has done, they just think that since he admitted and repented before God that we and the justice system should just forgive and forget and move on. They have posted some quotes about the legal system over stepping by issuing judgement, which should be God's domain. 

[Letgo]

6 hours ago, JMO said:

I agree with @SolomonFundy and will add that the Smiths don't deny what Alan has done, they just think that since he admitted and repented before God that we and the justice system should just forgive and forget and move on. They have posted some quotes about the legal system over stepping by issuing judgement, which should be God's domain. 

So let me get this straight...If Alan did this and is now sorry, he should be forgiven and not stand trial? No harm, no foul? No consequences such as registering as a sexual predator, not being allowed around any children, no prison sentence, nothing? He gets unsupervised visitation with his children? Or should Katie just return to him? After all, he has repented so he wouldn't do it again. 

The Bible has some pretty stiff punishments for crimes. Are they forgetting that?  What about the 10 Commandments? Thou shalt not commit adultery? (Although I don't actually consider sexually molesting a child as adultery because, you know, it's a CRIME.)

And I'm wondering...if Katie had had an affair with some other guy, would she be given a pass as long as she repented? No consequences for her, no further mention of it, the marriage just continues...Alan would be fine with that? Or, what if a stranger molested a child in the family and was then sorry? He just goes on with his life, too? Everything is forgiven because he repented?

What about other crimes? Pornography with children? Just be sorry and get on with life? Never mind the fact that the photos/videos are always out there. Murder? Rape? Terrorism? What about those crimes? Would the Smith family think repentance is enough?

 

[VVV]

One extra disgusting aspect to this is that Alan is charged with *incest,* which means that the revolting Cap'n and Mrs. Cap'n are consciously choosing their molester son over his victims, who are also members of their family.

[JMO]

@Letgo if you read through the Alan Smith threads you'll see the various screen shots from over the past 10 months that explicitly let you know what the Cap'n believes and that his grown SMorton kids don't agree.  It's awful. 

[Letgo]

On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 6:04 PM, JMO said:

@Letgo if you read through the Alan Smith threads you'll see the various screen shots from over the past 10 months that explicitly let you know what the Cap'n believes and that his grown SMorton kids don't agree.  It's awful. 

I've read lots of them, but not all. I just don't understand the thought process of people who think a date or a kiss before marriage is a big sin that makes one impure, but molesting a child is something that can be overlooked as long as the perpetrator is repentant. If a wife or daughter is sexually assaulted would that be overlooked if the rapist is sorry? I know that most child molesters are straight men, but what if a gay man was also a child predator? Would they be so forgiving then?

My point is, the Cap'n and his wife are selective in their "forgive him because he has repented" attitude. There is no way they'd let one of their sons marry a "wanton" woman who repented. Nor would they "get over" a gay man who molested a child. I don't think they'd even accept the repentance of a Christian who wasn't of their own brand, or, more importantly, of their own family. Had it been a son-in-law who molested a child I doubt they'd be so quick to get over it and move on with life. It really is awful.

[FeministShrew]

A gay man (or woman) would only have to exist to be condemned by them. No further action needed. 

[JustAnotherMaiden]

My impression, from watching more Captain Bret videos than I really should have, is that they think anything that happens in the family should be handled by the family and the church, not the state. Some nonsense about jurisdictions. 

[EmiGirl]

1 hour ago, JustAnotherMaiden said:

My impression, from watching more Captain Bret videos than I really should have, is that they think anything that happens in the family should be handled by the family and the church, not the state. Some nonsense about jurisdictions. 

I guess they forget the verses that talk about obeying the king/government even if it is evil.

[RosyDaisy]

If something like this happened in my family, it would definitely be handled by the family. We call it redneck justice.

[Lurky]

I really feel for the victims, in both this and the Willis case, because dragging it out must be a cloud over their heads.  And I REALLY hope any defense lawyer doesn't try to pull a vicious equivalent of "are you SURE you can remember?  It was such a long time ago" - or try to suggest that the victims are clearly over it by now, because they've moved on with their lives, and blah blah blah so no punishment for Brett Alan.

TL;DR: Wish they'd just get to the trial already, for the victims' sake.

[fundiefan]

According to the Smith religion, Bret Smith is the ultimate Christian who is the only one who really knows what the bible says and means and he has a direct line to god. So, the fact that their oldest offspring has committed heinous crimes has to be twisted and turned to account for their special connection to their god. Anyone who thinks Alan in't forgiven by Bret's buddy god is wrong with god.

 

[Mudgie]

Do they subscribe to the theory that sin is sin and essentially all sins are equal? 

[fundiefan]

1 hour ago, Mudgie said:

Do they subscribe to the theory that sin is sin and essentially all sins are equal? 

I think so, but with their own twist. There actually are sins in Smithland that are 'worse' - dating before marriage, giving up your purity...most surrounding the behavior and lives of girls.  They don't believe child abuse is sin - it's their Christian rights and those punished for it, if they're Christians, are actually being persecuted. Sexually abusing a child is apparently not nearly as grave a sin as having sex before you get married. God has forgiven the abuse but will punish girls who aren't pure.

Basically, they are so twisted and make their religion all about THEM that it's hard to say what they truly believe.  I'm pretty sure it would be safe to say that if the 'sin' is committed by them or one of their crowd, god is ok with it as along as they repent. If the 'sin' is committed by someone not within their specially blessed fold, to hell with them! Or, if you're a girl.

Case in point: Their adult daughters are not so secretly vilified for not 'honoring' their parents - it's a grave sin not to do so. But, well, we all know what they think of the son who is sitting behind bars for raping a child. 

[JMO]

A couple of the Morton accounts have posted that their grandfather died. I wonder if it's their grandfather Cox? The one that was married to Jacqueline's mother?

[fundiefan]

8 minutes ago, JMO said:

A couple of the Morton accounts have posted that their grandfather died. I wonder if it's their grandfather Cox? The one that was married to Jacqueline's mother?

Yes, it's that grandfather. Jeanine's father.

[Bethella]

Alma Smith isn't mentioned at all in his obituary. I'm guessing they took different sides in the controversy. I hadn't realized how quickly he had gotten remarried, it was two months to the day after the death of his first wife Dorothy.

http://obituaries.moultrieobserver.com/stories/obituaries/jerome-cox-1932-2017-937629271/2884141E0ee59201BDUoj1EF3DEE

[hoipolloi]

59 minutes ago, Bethella said:

Alma Smith isn't mentioned at all in his obituary. I'm guessing they took different sides in the controversy. I hadn't realized how quickly he had gotten remarried, it was two months to the day after the death of his first wife Dorothy.

http://obituaries.moultrieobserver.com/stories/obituaries/jerome-cox-1932-2017-937629271/2884141E0ee59201BDUoj1EF3DEE

Holy mackerel, on all counts.

In the interests of background, here's a post from 10 years ago, from the older Morton family blog, with some background on the Michael & Jeanine Morton family to that point.

And here's the post on the grandparents' engagement, and the one on their wedding.

[Grimalkin]

   If they admit he did it then why not plead guilty and be done with it? Isn't lying a sin? 

[Black Aliss]

2 hours ago, Bethella said:

Alma Smith isn't mentioned at all in his obituary. I'm guessing they took different sides in the controversy.

That's strange. It's as if whoever wrote the obit wanted to pretend the marriage never happened. So, it probably wasn't Alma who wrote it.

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I hadn't realized how quickly he had gotten remarried, it was two months to the day after the death of his first wife Dorothy.

well, yeah. He needed someone to keep house for him, and he needed her quickly. And it's not as if they could date first. I wonder if that marriage didn't last long.

Interesting that he was so well educated and presumably all their kids had at least the opportunity for higher education. And then. . .SOTDRT fail for the next generation. (See  http://thebrothersfive5.blogspot.com  for some truly cringe-worthy spelling, grammar, and punctuation.)

[Bethella]

29 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

I wonder if that marriage didn't last long.

I don't follow them all that closely but I think I remember someone saying that they seemed to have separated after Alan's arrest last summer. I wonder if Katie and Alan weren't the only ones to get a divorce.

[Black Aliss]

15 hours ago, Grimalkin said:

   If they admit he did it then why not plead guilty and be done with it? Isn't lying a sin? 

I suspect both families believe in alternative facts.

[hoipolloi]

16 hours ago, Grimalkin said:

Isn't lying a sin? 

Not when you're the ones doing the lying. 

Besides, it's all for Jeebus who would totally understand.

[fundiefan]

The apple fell very far from that tree. He was a highly educated man who made is living in school administration. I know Jeanine went to college - I remember reading about her going to Alabama.

Then, she marries Michael and they condemn their girls to life as breeders and their sons as construction workers in the family business. (Nothing at all wrong with construction work or even family business...but we know the Mortons never gave their sons any ideas about anything else). No formal schooling, no college for a single one of them, all living on or near the compound - or married off to like minded families. It's all very weird and evidence of the strong pull of religion over thought.

So, grandpa married Alan Smith's mom 2 months after the death of his wife - - - that's actually not all that unusual with long married widows/widowers. I suspect, however, since the Mortons were in so deep with the Smiths at the time, there was a whole lot of god and bible and religion involved in that marriage. In truth, not strong foundations for an educated man who has already lived for 75 years, much of if in a world involving intellect.

I'm also not surprised it ended. 

[Howl]

On 6/10/2017 at 8:03 PM, JustAnotherMaiden said:

My impression, from watching more Captain Bret videos than I really should have, is that they think anything that happens in the family should be handled by the family and the church, not the state. Some nonsense about jurisdictions. 

A lot of ink has been burned up on this very issue on The Wartburg Watch and Spiritual Sounding Board and elsewhere.   Molestations and other sexual crimes have been handled by the pastor/elders of fundamentalist churches, because it's not considered appropriate to notify authorities.  Combine this with the whole repentance thing?  It's a godsend (!) for perpetrators and molesters of all stripes and a disaster for victims. 

 

[JMO]

I wonder when the grandparent's marriage ended, before or after Alan's arrest?