Even More Bateses! (Part the 19th)

[SamiKatz]

On 12/8/2016 at 10:28 AM, SassyPants said:

In terms of the name, I chalk it up to Alyssa being very young. I remember when 4 of us (myself and 3 SILs) were all PG at the same time. One SIL was 22 @ the time and she had picked out a rather made-up name in the event that she had a female child (this was in the 80s before the days of routine US for sex determination). Anyhow, she had a boy, so the name was not used. Fast forward 12 years when she had her second child, a girl, she named her Grace. 

By the time Alyssa gets to #6, the name choice may be a bit more classic.

ETA- Not saying "Lexi" is a made up name.

 

When I was in high school, early 20s I always said I would name a daughter Avonlea (Anne of Green Gables influence).  Which horrified everyone in my family.  I ended up not having kids but I don't think I would have used Avonlea  once I was older.

[Melissa1977]

5 hours ago, JillyO said:

You can branch out on your own while still doing the job you're certified to do, especially if you're planning on supporting a stay-at-home wife and eleventy children, instead of doing a job that requires no certification and pays way less. I just don't see that as a smart move at all. NOT that we know everything about these's people's lives, obviously. Maybe he isn't actually certified as an HVAC tech or whatever.

Maybe he wants to leave his dad's business because he wants to be more independent and less controled. And probably wants to earn more money. Starting an air conditioner business in the same area dad has his could sound nasty and it's easier to start a diferent one and stay fine with the family. Plus cleaning is a job Alyssa can share with him.  I know it's ridiculous go cleaning with 6 kids, but maybe they're planning to have a nanny. Who knows. 

[missegeno]

(even Carson is a nickname)

Sorry to derail conversation but i didn't realize this. What is it short for?

[Melissa1977]

5 minutes ago, missegeno said:

 

Sorry to derail conversation but i didn't realize this. What is it short for?

 

Charles.

Chad is also Charles.

and Chad's dad.

 

[PennySycamore]

The name Carson always makes me think of the Crawley's butler on Downton Abbey.  Carson's first name was Charlie.  

[Snarkle]

Did some sleuthing, and from what I can tell, John Webster does not have any certifications in the state of Florida for HVAC work.  His father, for comparison, does, as I believe this is their company as the founding date pretty much matches up:

http://www.websterac.com/  

 

You can search by name for licenses here - a Daniel Webster comes up for the company listed above, but no John Webster (or any other Webster in Orlando, as far as I can tell):

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/

 

I could, of course, be incorrect, but it's something to look into.

 

 

 

 

[Snarkle]

Erin posted a pic of Carson with Brooklyn's dolls with the caption "He loves Brooklyn's dollies!"

Surprisingly the comments are pretty supportive and there's not a "but he's a boy" vibe going on, which is a positive considering the patriarchy they all dwell in.

[season of life]

Ah, so the rumor that Alyssa was gonna name the baby Lexi was correct... Only the spelling was wrong. I was hoping for something else, but it's their kid.

Allie is adorable. It seems like Alyssa helps with the cleaning business, so hopefully they can support their children.

[LawsonBatesEgo]

On 12/6/2016 at 7:13 PM, brogue said:

As someone who recently returned to live in Aus after sometime away, I hope not! I do wonder what fundies must think of our laid back attitude, proneness to not wearing much in summers (and Gil&Kelly will be here during the middle of summer), and our.... creative swearing,

LOL Seriously. As soon as I saw this, I was like 'Australia is.......not their place'. 

[Melissa1977]

6 hours ago, Snarkle said:

Erin posted a pic of Carson with Brooklyn's dolls with the caption "He loves Brooklyn's dollies!"

Surprisingly the comments are pretty supportive and there's not a "but he's a boy" vibe going on, which is a positive considering the patriarchy they all dwell in.

Well, both Duggars and Bates little kids (the M kids I think and Jeb&Judson) has been seen playing with little kitchens. I think fundies are Ok with toddlers playing with dolls or kitchens. But if the kid doesn't stop at some point, I'm absolutely sure they discourage and even punish their behaviour. Maybe not a corporal punishment but a heavy emotionally pressure.

Yes, 1 year-old Carson can play with dolls. But 6 year old Carson will not have the permission to play with Barbies.

[grandmadugger]

22 hours ago, Snarkle said:

Did some sleuthing, and from what I can tell, John Webster does not have any certifications in the state of Florida for HVAC work.  His father, for comparison, does, as I believe this is their company as the founding date pretty much matches up:

http://www.websterac.com/  

 

You can search by name for licenses here - a Daniel Webster comes up for the company listed above, but no John Webster (or any other Webster in Orlando, as far as I can tell):

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/

 

I could, of course, be incorrect, but it's something to look into.

 

 

 

 

I don't know Florida rules but that listing is for people with masters. Daniel would need one because he is the owner but most shops around here only have one master in the bunch.  Journeymen don't have a test that would listed anywhere in my area. My husband doesn't have a masters because he doesn't own his own business and he finds it ridiculous. The test for HVAC is more of a general test vs a specific test like plumbers and electrical. The only things our state cares about are a master signs off on any and all work, you've passed the EPA certification to safely handle any refrigeration gas you handle (there are different levels most only go with what they will handle but there is a universal one), and you've passed the EPA test that you can safely evacuate a system of its refrigerants. If you can do that then you can work in our state as a HVAC tech, some cities require you to locally register if you work there.  We do have a few more rules if you are a HVAC/R.  Very few in my area have the R.  I'm thankful because it means hubby is in high demand and I get to play. 

[Snarkle]

1 hour ago, grandmadugger said:

I don't know Florida rules but that listing is for people with masters. Daniel would need one because he is the owner but most shops around here only have one master in the bunch. 

Interesting.  I defer to your knowledge!  However, would there need to be another "master" for the shop since his father is a congressman and clearly not working the business on a daily basis when he's in Washington?  Just wondering how that works.  I only know about the training part because my son goes to a technical high school where half of the students are in the trades and finish most of their book work before graduating and start on their apprenticeships but finish their on-the-job training after graduating.

[grandmadugger]

58 minutes ago, Snarkle said:

Interesting.  I defer to your knowledge!  However, would there need to be another "master" for the shop since his father is a congressman and clearly not working the business on a daily basis when he's in Washington?  Just wondering how that works.  I only know about the training part because my son goes to a technical high school where half of the students are in the trades and finish most of their book work before graduating and start on their apprenticeships but finish their on-the-job training after graduating.

That's a local thing.  Some places the master has to be on the job site others its a paper thing.  It is possible that they have another master on staff John isn't a candidate for it. Here you have to have 10 years, I think, to sit for the test. 

[SassyPants]

On 12/8/2016 at 5:57 PM, Snarkle said:

Eh, the name Lexi doesn't bother me that much - I have a student who is Alexis and goes by Lexi.  I think it's the addition of "Mae" that kinda countrifies it a bit.  All of the Bates granddaughters have "i/y" names - Allie, Kaci, Brookie (as they call Brooklyn), and soon to be Lexi, so it's not like she's going that far afield.  Frankly I prefer Lexi over Brooklyn, but I could do without the Mae.  *shrug*  As is said all the time, at least it's not another Heistheway!

 

Brookie? Seriously? What about Brook?

[actuallyjessica]

All of their names are horrific and kind of dated... but as I've said before: at least it's not Spurgeon.

If these kids leave their worlds behind they can get by on Kaci and Lexi... but Spurgeon? No way.

Thankfully he has a lovely middle name he could use.

[Carm_88]

All of their names are horrific and kind of dated... but as I've said before: at least it's not Spurgeon.

If these kids leave their worlds behind they can get by on Kaci and Lexi... but Spurgeon? No way.

Thankfully he has a lovely middle name he could use.

I wouldn't be able to take a kaci or Lexi seriously but Lynn I could. Mae too. I like Elise and think it's a beautiful name. Spurgeon has Elliot which is a great name and what he may go by, if he has a choice in the matter. Allie and Lexi may go by Jane and Mae if they choose!

[actuallyjessica]

I wouldn't be able to take a kaci or Lexi seriously but Lynn I could. Mae too. I like Elise and think it's a beautiful name. Spurgeon has Elliot which is a great name and what he may go by, if he has a choice in the matter. Allie and Lexi may go by Jane and Mae if they choose!

A matter of personal taste, of course. But what I meant was I doubt people would look at them (Allie, Kaci, Brooklyn and Lexi) and be like "oh... you definitely came from a fundie family" - where as Spurgeon? No escaping that.

[Carm_88]

A matter of personal taste, of course. But what I meant was I doubt people would look at them (Allie, Kaci, Brooklyn and Lexi) and be like "oh... you definitely came from a fundie family" - where as Spurgeon? No escaping that.

Lexi Mae sounds too much like a stripper to me, so I would be thinking that the mother is awfully sheltered.

[Dutchie]

13 hours ago, Carm_88 said:

Lexi Mae sounds too much like a stripper to me, so I would be thinking that the mother is awfully sheltered.

I assume "white trash" parents when hearing stripper names. So honestly quiet the opposite.

[actuallyjessica]

The names sound very cutesy southern but also redneck white trash.

I can't wait to see the name choices in 4 or 5 kids from now.

[RosyDaisy]

Excuse me, but these names can be found all over the U.S. So, it's not just us rednecks who have a thing for unusual name spellings.

[clueliss]

Some of us might even have unusually spelled names and not have white trash, redneck parents, or hippie parents.  

[JemimaPuddle-Duck]

On December 13, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Carm_88 said:

I wouldn't be able to take a kaci or Lexi seriously but Lynn I could. Mae too. I like Elise and think it's a beautiful name. Spurgeon has Elliot which is a great name and what he may go by, if he has a choice in the matter. Allie and Lexi may go by Jane and Mae if they choose!

That doesn't sound very good for your character to say you'd basically dismiss someone because of their name. 

I don't really care for any of their names, but plenty of people dislike my children's names (which I, of course, think are lovely), so to each their own. And I can't imagine judging someone for their name, it's not like they chose it (with rare exception). I've been told I have a stripper/cutesy/pet/old lady name. Hopefully no one decides they can't take me seriously. 

[twinmama]

On 12/7/2016 at 2:27 PM, Mela99 said:

I feel like I could forgive Lexi if it was spelled Lexie. Allie is spelled with an -i.e. At the end. But it doesn't pass the judge test for me. Judge Lexi Mae presiding ...

Ah, but Judge Lex Webster sounds like someone you don't want to cross. 

33 minutes ago, JemimaPuddle-Duck said:

That doesn't sound very good for your character to say you'd basically dismiss someone because of their name. 

Leaving aside character judgments, have you read Freakanomics and the info about what names mean for a child's life? Just some interesting info... http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-much-does-your-name-matter-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

[Carm_88]

That doesn't sound very good for your character to say you'd basically dismiss someone because of their name. 
I don't really care for any of their names, but plenty of people dislike my children's names (which I, of course, think are lovely), so to each their own. And I can't imagine judging someone for their name, it's not like they chose it (with rare exception). I've been told I have a stripper/cutesy/pet/old lady name. Hopefully no one decides they can't take me seriously. 

My character is perfectly fine, thank you so much for being so very concerned about it.
I am just saying that by giving children certain names, you are opening them up to questions. I have been told that my name sounds stripper like and also like a pornstar. It also leads people to asking me "Your name is so very interesting, where did you get it?" The response "My parents, where did you get yours?"
I never stated that I would dismiss someone because of their name, I said that I would find it hard to take someone seriously. In other words, they would have to work harder to prove that they are more than it.