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In other news it looks like my whole family will be denying Jesus about 4 times before Monday. We've got Peter beat! How about you?

 pennyraine.com/blog/2010/10/while-you-are-trick-or-treating-a-child-will-be-sacrificed/ 

For the love, somebody help me break this link. I removed the http://www per FJ directions but that didn't do it.

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Last year my church participated in an event with othe community churches for halloween. Everyone else did a "you're going to hell" theme or fall festival...except us who had skeletons and ghosts and that sort. My pastor refused to be a part of that this year because of how they were about halloween (either that,or we werent invitrd back!lol)The odd thing? I go to a very conservative SBC church and we're the liberal SBC church.

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If you are celebrating Halloween you are right there at the party with satan himself. It doesn’t matter if you see it as real, he knows it is.

Hocus Pocus! That is all. :P 

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I have a theory that the strong anti Halloween stance some fundies have is rooted in anti Catholicism.  Since Halloween manifested from All Saints' Day Eve. Fundies are aganist pretty much everything that All Saints' Day is for; saints, relics and commemorating or communicating with the dead.  

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Poking around and noticed some of the worst grammar I've ever seen from a blogger. Capitalization is apparently unnecessary, and why use a period when a comma will do? Actually, commas and periods are interchangeable. End a sentence with whichever you prefer.

So naturally, she homeschools.

pennyraine.com/blog/2015/08/so-a-duggar-fell-to-sin/

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You know, I've been so busy this month I kind of forgot that Halloween is getting so close. Thanks to this article, when I go to the grocery store tomorrow I'll remember to pick up some Halloween candy and maybe even a decoration or two! :angry-devil: 

Anyone here a King of the Hill fan? This thing reads like the lady from the episode "Hilloween" came to life.  

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18 minutes ago, FundieWatcher said:

I have a theory that the strong anti Halloween stance some fundies have is rooted in anti Catholicism.  Since Halloween manifested from All Saints' Day Eve. Fundies are aganist pretty much everything that All Saints' Day is for; saints, relics and commemorating or communicating with the dead.  

I think the anti-Halloween stance goes beyond anti-Catholicism, since many conservative and traditionalist Catholics frown on it too. Fundies, regardless of the type, don't like Halloween because they think it normalizes and glamorizes the occult. However, if you look at Christianity before the mid-eighteenth century or so, most self-described Christians were involved in occult activities, from folk magicians and "cunning folk" to ceremonial magic and hermeticism among the elite. People simply took it for granted that the world was enchanted and there were all sorts of angels, demons, ghosts, elves, fairies, and other fantastic beings sharing the same realm as humans. By the eighteenth century, this magical worldview had died out, and Christian theologians tried formulating more "rational" forms of Christianity.

Nothing illustrates this more than the the death of witchcraft as a social problem. Today, when fundies complain about witchcraft, they believe that there are people engaging in an activity that offends god. They do not believe that humans have the ability to change the fabric of reality or that anyone is having sex with Satan in exchange for said ability, which was the case for Christians until the eighteenth century or so (for more information on how the magical worldview died out in the English-speaking world, read "Religion and the Decline of Magic" by Keith Thomas). However, the old school belief in witchcraft is very prevalent among Christians in Africa, because this enchanted world has yet to disappear there. Thousands of people, mostly poor women and children are killed and/or exiled from their communities because of witchcraft accusations:

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/the-women-of-ghanas-witch-camps

http://www.voanews.com/a/girl-burned-to-death-in-nigeria-after-witchcraft-allegation/2829215.html

http://nationalgeographic.org/news/witch-trials-21st-century/

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10 minutes ago, FundieWatcher said:

I have a theory that the strong anti Halloween stance some fundies have is rooted in anti Catholicism.  Since Halloween manifested from All Saints' Day Eve. Fundies are aganist pretty much everything that All Saints' Day is for; saints, relics and commemorating or communicating with the dead.  

It would be funny since most fundie/fundie light Catholics I know are very anti Halloween, they think it is a stupid and unneeded Americanism. And satanic of course. Ognissanti was instituted to substitute previous pagan celebrations. When christianisation of Europe happened, it was for the most part a forced thing imposed by Constantine and others for political more than spiritual reasons (it had to be a new way to unify and justify an otherwise crumbling roman empire) and the first requirement for it to succeed was to unroot previous cults whenever possible banning them because satanic and/or substituting them with Christian ceremonies that often in some way assimilated the old traditions with the new religion. Most Catholics and Catholic hierarchies think that Halloween is nothing but a residuary of those "satanic" pagan rites that Christians tried to estirpate so long ago without ever completely succeed probably because Christianity somehow requires the designation of "the Enemy". I think that the opposition wouldn't be so straightforward if Halloween hadn't come from an "alien" culture namely the Irish tradition that just doesn't make much sense outside the culture it belongs to. In my own culture there are plenty of centuries old pagan traditions assimilated into Christianity to make them acceptable, Halloween isn't one of those. It came here through American consumerism expansion and therefore is deemed twice as evil.

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1 hour ago, Fruitcake said:

For the love, somebody help me break this link. I removed the http://www per FJ directions but that didn't do it.

No worries, you don't have to break links now :my_smile: 

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This lady must be really sad Chick died. Now she'll have to hand out circus peanuts or candy corn to be a total buzzkill.

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28 minutes ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I think the anti-Halloween stance goes beyond anti-Catholicism, since many conservative and traditionalist Catholics frown on it too. Fundies, regardless of the type, don't like Halloween because they think it normalizes and glamorizes the occult. However, if you look at Christianity before the mid-eighteenth century or so, most self-described Christians were involved in occult activities, from folk magicians and "cunning folk" to ceremonial magic and hermeticism among the elite. People simply took it for granted that the world was enchanted and there were all sorts of angels, demons, ghosts, elves, fairies, and other fantastic beings sharing the same realm as humans. By the eighteenth century, this magical worldview had died out, and Christian theologians tried formulating more "rational" forms of Christianity.

Nothing illustrates this more than the the death of witchcraft as a social problem. Today, when fundies complain about witchcraft, they believe that there are people engaging in an activity that offends god. They do not believe that humans have the ability to change the fabric of reality or that anyone is having sex with Satan in exchange for said ability, which was the case for Christians until the eighteenth century or so (for more information on how the magical worldview died out in the English-speaking world, read "Religion and the Decline of Magic" by Keith Thomas). However, the old school belief in witchcraft is very prevalent among Christians in Africa, because this enchanted world has yet to disappear there. Thousands of people, mostly poor women and children are killed and/or exiled from their communities because of witchcraft accusations:

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/the-women-of-ghanas-witch-camps

http://www.voanews.com/a/girl-burned-to-death-in-nigeria-after-witchcraft-allegation/2829215.html

http://nationalgeographic.org/news/witch-trials-21st-century/

Personally I noticed that people who believe in transubstantiation, resurrection, miracles, demons, angels, saints and exorcisms (basically every fundie lite Catholic) often belive in magic, if not completely at least at some degree. When my father (an otherwise extremely rational man but educated by my very Catholic late grandma) tells me that ill will from people can make you ill and that it happens I always reel in shock, but many more people that I'd care to admit believe in the occult. Probably because the RCC even sustaining science and philosophy never denied magic as something that can alter the fabric of reality, it just claimed it was evil and satanic. The RCC officially fights against superstitions but not denying its valency because this would empty it of meaning as the evil counterpart of the goodness. And imho "magic thought" is the basis for both sets of beliefs if you can deny the reality of one you have no problem denying the other too. In fact where magic and superstitions aren't believed the culture is slowly but surely becoming post Christian. 

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43 minutes ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I think the anti-Halloween stance goes beyond anti-Catholicism, since many conservative and traditionalist Catholics frown on it too.

You can't imagine how right you are. Here, a bunch of bishops have released the a statement about Halloween.  they want kids to celebrate holywins. They even want the kids to be dressed as Saints and shit like that, because as @laPapessaGiovanna said, here Halloween is double evil, american and satanic. But given how secular is society here, I nearly chocked laughing last morning in the car when I heard it.

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At first, I thought this was another Jack Chick thread because he also thought Halloween was a Satanic holiday. I'm sure she hasn't posted about his death because she's in mourning for him.

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Modern Halloween is a beautiful blend of several different traditions. It reflects the multiculturalism of America- with elements taken from All Saints' Day, Mexico's Day of the Dead, and other end of harvest festivals from around the world.  All the different Halloween traditions have ancient origins associated with the season- dressing up in costumes, bobbing for apples, treat or treating, bonfires, and even decorating with skulls, tombstones, and  ghosts. Halloween picked up fun practices from here and there and is something that is enjoyable for a lot of people. Not evil. Certainly not pointless.  People who dismiss it as American so therfore inherently stupid are just showing their bigotry. Fundies who dimiss it as though it had a single origin show their ignorance. 

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2 hours ago, Grimalkin said:

    .........upon Satan's alter of SUGAR!!!!!!

 

Isnt she so much more Christian than everyone else? 

That sounds like an amazing name for a heavy metal band.

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Ew, read Haley's page on the "About Us" section of their site. She could not possibly be any more pleased with herself if she tried! These people are really gross.

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Ha! In Australia so many people are crying that it is an American tradition.

I am over here thinking YAY one of my favorite celebrations!

Mr. Meow's mum is very heavily involved in the RCC but is also from a superstitious country. Every year she lights a candle outside and leaves it burning (safely). I know it is a cultural thing but I can't remember why.

Having said that, her home country is very superstitious and extremely religious. I find it fascinating.

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4 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

That sounds like an amazing name for a heavy metal band.

    Way better than Black Sabbath. Ozzy should hire me.

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5 hours ago, FundieWatcher said:

People who dismiss it as American so therfore inherently stupid are just showing their bigotry.

I disagree with this.  Traditional Hallowe'en, and trick or treating, pumpkin lanterns etc, is something that's been done in Britain for decades - BUT Hallowe'en as a festival of consumerism, that you have to buy a ton of stuff for, is seen as very American in a lot of Europe precisely because it's becoming not about the traditions, but about conspicuous consumption.

Now, I know #NotAllUSA, of course I do, BUT we get a lot of USA media pushing Hallowe'en as about eg young women in sexy costumes, and covering the  house with a ton of plastic stuff, and everything being themed, and having to buy big costumes and have huge parties. 

And a lot of USA-based companies (like Walmart, which owns the Asda supermarket here) pushing Hallowe'en in a big way.  So I see the push-back against the "Americanisation" of Hallowe'en is a push-back at US media and corporations (which of course is nothing to do with average USA people) and wanting to have something more low-key and fun, and doesn't involve spending a lot of money.

I guess my TL;DR is that from my perspective, the "Americanisation" thing is about how it's celebrated, not that it's celebrated - and it's not "USA people are bad".

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17 minutes ago, Lurky said:

I disagree with this. 

I will take your word for it because you live there and I don't.

I counted four instances here where someone said they know of people  who dismiss Halloween as American- equating it with satanism. I think that is narrow thinking just like our fundies. So that was my line of thinking with that. 

And I would  agree that we don't need anymore cheap plastic crap, from any holiday, that you only use for one season. Ideally you would have a set of decorations you use for decades (and many people do) rather than stuff that goes in the dumpster the day after. For some reason my parents were good about Christmas decorations- everything was passed down from my grandparents or gifts from my mom's students. But when it came to other holidays Dollar Tree stuff was usually purchased. And I will admit to doing it myself too. I would hope to move towards long-term, better quality reusable items. 

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12 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I think the anti-Halloween stance goes beyond anti-Catholicism, since many conservative and traditionalist Catholics frown on it too. Fundies, regardless of the type, don't like Halloween because they think it normalizes and glamorizes the occult. However, if you look at Christianity before the mid-eighteenth century or so, most self-described Christians were involved in occult activities, from folk magicians and "cunning folk" to ceremonial magic and hermeticism among the elite. People simply took it for granted that the world was enchanted and there were all sorts of angels, demons, ghosts, elves, fairies, and other fantastic beings sharing the same realm as humans. By the eighteenth century, this magical worldview had died out, and Christian theologians tried formulating more "rational" forms of Christianity.

Nothing illustrates this more than the the death of witchcraft as a social problem. Today, when fundies complain about witchcraft, they believe that there are people engaging in an activity that offends god. They do not believe that humans have the ability to change the fabric of reality or that anyone is having sex with Satan in exchange for said ability, which was the case for Christians until the eighteenth century or so (for more information on how the magical worldview died out in the English-speaking world, read "Religion and the Decline of Magic" by Keith Thomas). However, the old school belief in witchcraft is very prevalent among Christians in Africa, because this enchanted world has yet to disappear there. Thousands of people, mostly poor women and children are killed and/or exiled from their communities because of witchcraft accusations:

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/the-women-of-ghanas-witch-camps

http://www.voanews.com/a/girl-burned-to-death-in-nigeria-after-witchcraft-allegation/2829215.html

http://nationalgeographic.org/news/witch-trials-21st-century/

My parents know two families in their parish that are anti-Halloween and no longer celebrate it. Both families homeschool and the mothers and daughters wear head coverings at Mass.

In high school, I had a teacher who was also an Assembly of God minister and his church didn't do Halloween. In class, he went on anti-Halloween rant to us. For the past couple of months, I've been in contact and have worked with a guy do consulting work for my employer. We talk almost daily on the phone and have meetings a couple of times a week. He has a stepdaughter who is involved with ATI/IBLP. She and her family don't do Halloween and they're also against certain Christmas figures like Santa. The stepdaughter has clashed with the guy and his wife over Christmas topics for the past few years.

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Any movement that would deny me adorable kids in costumes or candy or Santa is inherently evil. EVIL I SAY!!!!

Says the totally mature, soon to be mother of one, 28 year-old Dinosaur. :pb_lol:

On a serious note, I can see arguments about scaling back because of commercialism. I don't think it's fair for people to advocate for an outright ban on holidays like Halloween - but if a family decides they don't want to celebrate for any reason then that's fine with me. You do you and leave me be.

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8 hours ago, lawfulevil said:

This lady must be really sad Chick died. Now she'll have to hand out circus peanuts or candy corn to be a total buzzkill.

No, those nasty black and orange wax paper wrapped peanut butter taffy-ish things. They're always stale and just blech.

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