Ken Alexander laments that teens can't be caned in the US ~ Always Learning

[2xx1xy1JD]

Let's not forget as well that she let the cold shower remark pass, even though it came not long after the murder trial of Hana Williams' adoptive parents.  Hana was punished with cold showers, and ultimately died of hypothermia in the cold rain.  This is the same Lori who claims that they must have been abusive and she has no problem recommending the Pearl's To Train Up a Child, even to parents of older adopted children, despite the fact that there are at least 3 cases where parents of older adopted children have had that book and abused their children to death.

[Koala]

Exactly.  Let's also not forget that it's Lori's beloved Pearls who recommend taking a child who has had a potty training accident into the front yard and spraying him down with a water hose.  

These are sick, sick people.

[samira_catlover]

@amazing707: Canes are narrow rods (you know, like the kind some fundies recommend for beating on children as a matter of training them. *waves to Michael and Debi Pearl and J. Richard Fugate*).  

Materials can range from hardware store dowels of various diameters (popular in the fundy crowd--but not very flexible), rattan (which does flex), bamboo (may splinter), and even metal (such as stainless steel). The thinner the cane, the more "sting" (burning sharp sensation); thicker canes produce more "thud" (heavier diffuse impact).

Most kinky people I know that use canes will deliberately target only big, heavy, solid muscle areas--like the buttocks, thighs, upper back (over the shoulders, NOT the spine), maybe over the chest of an athletic man. Since it takes a while for bruises to come up (and deep-tissue damage can cause some problems, like "post-whipping flu symptoms"), quite a number of people just do a couple whacks with a cane and call it a day for that.  If you draw blood in a public "playspace", expect to have dungeon monitors quickly directing you to stop action and bandage the person up.  

Mind you well, this is with people engaging in BDSM behaviors with consents and chances to stop activity at any time, they've often done a good chunk of research and practice, and they're NOT trying to cause harm. ("Hurt", yeah, but not "harm".)  

But juridical caning for punishment?---yeah, you're talking massive bruising, scarring, infection chances, possibly death from blunt impact or rhabdomyolysis, which I believe is what killed Lydia Schatz.

[polecat]

18 minutes ago, Koala said:

Exactly.  Let's also not forget that it's Lori's beloved Pearls who recommend taking a child who has had a potty training accident into the front yard and spraying him down with a water hose.  

These are sick, sick people.

 

 

This is pretty typical for the fundy world. I've known people who've done it. I've also known people who've dumped ice water on their kids for talking back. And someone who threw their child into a cold shower after they'd hit the kid and broken the kid's nose. Because the kid was bleeding and making a mess. 

I'd like to take a cane to Ken.

[Cleopatra7]

Singapore's use of caning as a punishment stems from the country's founder Lee Kwan Yew's experiences in British run boarding schools where caning was common practice. Caning was still common as a punishment for teen boys in Britain, both in school and in the legal justice system, until the 1960s or so. Singapore inherited caning from British colonial law and never phased it out. However, it should be mentioned that Christianity of the sort advocated by the Alexanders would never be allowed in Singapore. The Singaporean government forces people to get along and has no problem with saying certain religious groups or practices are not allowed, like the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Moonies. Singapore also prides itself on its educational system, so no homeschooling, especially not of the bare bones variety. As for the Michael Fey case, I'm torn. I'm not a fan of corporeal punishment, but I also think that Fey shouldn't have tried to act like the laws didn't apply to him just because he was American. If you go to Singapore, you should know ahead of time that the People's Action Party doesn't mess around when it comes to petty crime.

[acheronbeach]

So, Ken Alexander,  orthodontist from California,  adds "caning Asian teen boys" to his list of preferred topics. How... telling.

[theinvisiblegirl]

I had a dream last night about FJ. Ken came back and was just as idiotic as the last time he came. It was glorious, and I hope my dreams come true. I'd love to snark on this man right to his fucking face.

[CyborgKin]

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Listen I get the issue that we need to protect against abuse, but you know full well this was not an abusive mother.

Pardon my French, but: NON!

[Koala]

Ken Alexander:

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 Go to him and give him permission to call out your name each time you start to complain, and keep saying your name until you stop. He says your name 3 times and you get consequences, by owing him a back rub, have to clean the bathrooms spotless, an hour walk, be creative ... 

 

[Emilycharlotte]

If I was trying to make a point and my husband kept interrupting by repeating my name over and over, I would be very tempted to smack him with a frying pan.

On the other hand, I don't see back rubs as punishment, and I'm usually happy to provide one when asked---just to be nice.  So we have that going for us.

[docmom]

21 hours ago, Koala said:

Ken Alexander:

Go to him and give him permission to call out your name each time you start to complain, and keep saying your name until you stop. He says your name 3 times and you get consequences, by owing him a back rub, have to clean the bathrooms spotless, an hour walk, be creative ...

Nothing drives me crazier than my husband using this type of "calm down while I ignore what you are saying" technique when we argue.  It's a lousy, passive aggressive strategy that ensures that problems don't get resolved and anger simmers until it explodes.  My husband knows better than to try it now.  He would never even consider the possibility of "consequences" because I'm his wife, not his child.

Ken's an orthodontic consultant.  He loves to compare the roles of men and women in marriage to being in business.  He must have to manage people.  I wonder how his employees would react if he approached their concerns in this way?

[Koala]

He and Lori totally deserve each other.  From the comment section of today's post:

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Boy are you worth it! And just think of all the other ladies who would not be getting your ministry in their lives now if you had not made me suffer :). I kept wondering why God took so long to help you see the light, but then again... He's been quite patient with me too... fortunately for us both :). What a Savior and Lord we serve together.

 

[kpmom]

24 minutes ago, Koala said:

He and Lori totally deserve each other.  From the comment section of today's post:

 

 

24 minutes ago, Koala said:

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Boy are you worth it! And just think of all the other ladies who would not be getting your ministry in their lives now if you had not made me suffer :). I kept wondering why God took so long to help you see the light, but then again... He's been quite patient with me too... fortunately for us both :). What a Savior and Lord we serve together.

OMG.  Poor, poor suffering Ken.  Oh sure, he had some issues, and the Lord was quite patient, but man oh man did God take his own sweet time changing Lori!!  Gee, what a guy Ken is to keep hanging in there.  It was worth it though, 'cause now all those other ladies are getting Lori's ministry. 

I'd almost feel sorry for Lori with her husband writing this for all the world to see.  Then I remember what she's like, and yeah, they definitely deserve each other.

[Gobsmacked]

On 13 June 2016 at 11:43 PM, Koala said:

More whatthefuckery from Ken:

 

Maybe he should move to Singapore ( if that is true, I know nothing about Singapore other than its hot)

How does he know that's it's true?

 Really weird thing to say, never mind post for all the world to see.

Is he jealous because he doesn't live there and can only imagine!?????!!

Just wow. He really is one seriously screwed up individual.

[TeddyBonkers]

My MIL used to put my nephews (her grandsons) in a cold shower, and "discipline" them with a paint stirring stick from the hardware store. When she had the brass balls to call me an abusive mother, I went full No Contact. 

(sorry for the late response, everyone)

Caning???!? Nah, man. Ken Alexander, orthodontic consultant who thinks caning children is okay, needs to reexamine things.

[Jucifer]

On June 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, smittykins said:

This is interesting, because yesterday I listened to Weird Al's "Headline News" which mentions the American who was caned in Singapore for vandalism.  And I remember a LOT of Americans saying "We should totally do that here!"  And I'm sure they wouldn't care about the severe injuries, because hey, they should've thought about that before they broke the law. 

Was that the kid in the 90s, who got caught with stolen road signs?

His case was all over the media. There was a letter writing campaign to try to convince the authorities in Singapore to chill TF out.  I wrote them a letter. 

After all the public outcry they decided to reduce the number of lashes he was sentenced to. :/

This stuff makes me sick.

 

 

 

[love2scrap]

12 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

Maybe he should move to Singapore ( if that is true, I know nothing about Singapore other than its hot)

How does he know that's it's true?

 Really weird thing to say, never mind post for all the world to see.

Is he jealous because he doesn't live there and can only imagine!?????!!

Just wow. He really is one seriously screwed up individual.

Oh god please dont wish Ken on us in singapore.

[RosyDaisy]

I would like to stick a cane up Ken Alexander's (the orthodontic office consultant from California who thinks molestation, incest, and caning as normal) ass!

[usmcmom]

Ken loves to suggest consequences when the woman is sinning, but when the man is in sin, he insists the wife just keep praying and "win him without a word."  He had that double standard when they were talking about porn addiction.  If the man is addicted to porn, leave him alone and pray about it. If the woman is addicted to porn, the husband should come up with a list of consequences for each time she views it.  I'd like him to show me in the Bible where consequences for sin are different based on whether we are male or female.

Also, I believe that forgiveness means the sin is washed away, which means it is no longer seen by even God. When Ken continuously brings up Lori's sinful "rebellious" years, I think it's nasty and hypocritical.  It makes me wonder how many times they bring up their kids' mistakes from years past.  When Ken visited here, I asked him flat out what mistakes he made in the marriage and he never answered the question.  I'll pull out a little Dr. Phil (blech) here and ask "If you were such a great leader, how come your marriage was driven into a ditch???"

Anyway, I don't think Ken has actually ever forgiven Lori for being a difficult wife and I don't believe Lori ever really loved Ken. Neither of them describes the younger version of the other in positive terms, I can't comprehend why they even got married.  It was like disdain at first sight so....MARRY ME!!!

[desertvixen]

17 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Ken loves to suggest consequences when the woman is sinning, but when the man is in sin, he insists the wife just keep praying and "win him without a word."  He had that double standard when they were talking about porn addiction.  If the man is addicted to porn, leave him alone and pray about it. If the woman is addicted to porn, the husband should come up with a list of consequences for each time she views it.  I'd like him to show me in the Bible where consequences for sin are different based on whether we are male or female.

TBH, I'm surprised he even admitted women could have a porn addiction, since that would require admitting women might actually have an independent sex drive.

[theinvisiblegirl]

1 hour ago, usmcmom said:

Ken loves to suggest consequences when the woman is sinning, but when the man is in sin, he insists the wife just keep praying and "win him without a word."  He had that double standard when they were talking about porn addiction.  If the man is addicted to porn, leave him alone and pray about it. If the woman is addicted to porn, the husband should come up with a list of consequences for each time she views it.  I'd like him to show me in the Bible where consequences for sin are different based on whether we are male or female.

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I wonder how his logic works when a single man is sinning. If he has no wife to pray over him and "win him without a word" (whatever the fuck that means), then who's supposed to do it?

[usmcmom]

15 minutes ago, theinvisiblegirl said:

I wonder how his logic works when a single man is sinning. If he has no wife to pray over him and "win him without a word" (whatever the fuck that means), then who's supposed to do it?

Umm...a single man cannot sin because there is no woman in his life to cause him to stumble.  All male sin is caused by females in one way or another.

It says so right there in Ken's Bible. That secret one he always uses to taint true scripture. 

[CrazyCatLady]

Umm...a single man cannot sin because there is no woman in his life to cause him to stumble.  All male sin is caused by females in one way or another.

It says so right there in Ken's Bible. That secret one he always uses to taint true scripture. 

I just assumed it was then the man's mother's fault.

[IntrinsicallyDisordered]

1 hour ago, theinvisiblegirl said:

I wonder how his logic works when a single man is sinning. If he has no wife to pray over him and "win him without a word" (whatever the fuck that means), then who's supposed to do it?

It means "put up and shut up".  For Jesus   

These people are the worst. 

[usmcmom]

19 hours ago, usmcmom said:

Umm...a single man cannot sin because there is no woman in his life to cause him to stumble.  All male sin is caused by females in one way or another.

It says so right there in Ken's Bible. That secret one he always uses to taint true scripture. 

 

18 hours ago, CrazyCatLady said:

I just assumed it was then the man's mother's fault.

Oh. I'd never thought of that.  Let me look it up.  *flips pages of Ken's Bible.*

Ah, we are both right.  It IS  the mother's fault, but only if she's a widow.  Until her husband passes into the arms of Jesus, a woman must only cause her own husband to stumble and her sons are still sin free.  Daughters, however, are full of sin from birth.  Once the woman becomes a widow (and is being fully supported by her church), she may then turn her attentions to causing her grown sons to sin.