Jill and Jessa Counting On - Part 4

[habert]

I apologize if this has already been talked about, but I was on TLC's website to watch a clip or two to know what you all are talking about since I don't want to watch the show, and there's a video of all the guys sitting on the couch and the video is titled, for real for real, "John David Duggar describes which ingredients he'd include in his meat lover's cupcake"

wtf

[withaj]

14 hours ago, lascuba said:

I don't know about Ben's upbringing and the Seewald's stance on music, but--and this is a completely serious question--would he even know how to recognize a beat? Because considering the amount of people out there who clap on the 1 and 3 instead of the 2 and 4, there's no way for someone who grew up with barely any exposure to modern music to be able to even bob their head to rap, much less perform it. God, this is going to be Bristol Palin on DWTS bad.

Rhythm is more intuitive for some people than it is for others. Even if he wasn't raised with music with a beat, it's highly presumptuous to say that there's "no way" for him to even bob his head accurately to rap.

[JuanitaBanana]

18 minutes ago, withaj said:

Rhythm is more intuitive for some people than it is for others. Even if he wasn't raised with music with a beat, it's highly presumptuous to say that there's "no way" for him to even bob his head accurately to rap.

Wouldn't it be funny if he turned out to be good at it? I think he has a better chance at rapping than preaching... 

[IReallyAmHopewell]

On 4/5/2016 at 3:40 PM, Cleopatra7 said:

I agree that people of all ages can be friends, but given what different "seasons of life" Joy and Sierra are in at the moment, I'm not sure what they have in common to talk about. Gothardism seems to implicitly teach that you can only be friends with people who are exactly like you, including being the same sex and being in the same "season of life." Maybe Sierra's assertiveness is appealing to Joy. But who knows if they're really friends or not. Maybe she's considered Joy's friend because all the older J'girls have to do things as a bloc and everyone who tags along is a "friend" even if you barely know the person/people.

Maybe Sierre has purposed to train up Joy in the Godly art of bad wedding planning? A career till Joy begins to breed? She could plan Gothard-only weddings.

[anotherone]

1 hour ago, nst said:

should n' t we feel bad that we are going to be laughing at Ben on Tuesday 

no ok - I am looking forward to a hearty laugh lol

I actually feel bad about everyone making fun of him.  He just seems so clueless, like maybe this wasn't quite what he expected.  And I don't think he was up for being laid bare on TV and being constantly snarked on.  Maybe he should have known (didn't he ever see episodes of the Duggars before?), but somehow I just don't think he did.  The Ashley reality roundup got him for making that "what kind of contraption is this" comment about the baby clothes, but when you think of him as college age, I remember the guys I knew as freshmen.  I remember helping them figure out random odd things like you can't put dripping wet clothes in the dryer or things that seem obvious.  I could easily imagine handing one a baby and getting the exact same look as Ben had and no one would have thought twice about it.  Now he's expected to know everything because he grew up in that lifestyle.  Who said above, getting married because you're horny is not a good idea.  He is probably now realizing that and is way pissed.  He doesn't seem to really want to be in front of the TV. 

Maybe I'm all wrong about this because, after all, I am judging only by what I know from his "TV personality".....

 

 

[ClaraOswin]

1 hour ago, habert said:

I apologize if this has already been talked about, but I was on TLC's website to watch a clip or two to know what you all are talking about since I don't want to watch the show, and there's a video of all the guys sitting on the couch and the video is titled, for real for real, "John David Duggar describes which ingredients he'd include in his meat lover's cupcake"

wtf

Just watched it. So JD is apparently on a diet. I thought he looked thinner. I wonder if he's trying to lose weight to attract a wife. Ha!

[patsymae]

1 hour ago, Buzzard said:

I have to say, I'm impressed with Flame's music.  It actually more "musical" than a lot of the mainstream rap crap that plays for top artists these days.  Dare I say I hear a key change?

 

I HAVE to know the backstory as to how this guy got hooked up with the POS duggars! Flame has women (wearing PANTS!) in his videos, and while the message "yay jesus" is the same, the very fact that the Duggars think that dancing is of the debil should remove any chance of a friendship or even business relationship.  The Duggars think music is 1)violin 2)piano 3) harp 4) singing.  PERIOD.  Rap is not in that definition.

Is TLC insisting on this? Remember when they went to the African American church in Little Rock they were extremely uncomfortable with the music? I would think rap would be even more horrifying to them. I think at this point they are all just following the script

[anotherone]

On the topic of getting married because one is horny:

Maldives holds Guinness world record for divorce rate.  From one article:  "Having grown up in the conservative city of Malé – where sex outside of marriage is seen as a sin and punishable by law – Leena felt obliged to marry her boyfriend when she turned 18. “I held very conservative values at the time. Since we had already had sex, I felt like I had to marry him to legalise sex,” The marriage lasted one month. Since then, Leena, now 29, has been married and divorced twice more and has a child from her third marriage.

...“Parents and society frowns upon unmarried couples spending time together alone and press for marriage even though the couples may not be financially independent,” she said.

...However, living in congested households with extended families had strained both marriages.“ People get married without financial independence and when they are not emotionally mature. There is no privacy to solve the smallest issues. So they escalate.

http://minivannewsarchive.com/society/maldives-holds-guinness-world-record-for-divorce-rate-75770

The idea of getting married just for sex, before financially independent, and living in crowded conditions with a ton of relatives didn't work well for the Maldivians, why do the Duggars think it will work well for them?

[JuanitaBanana]

8 minutes ago, anotherone said:

On the topic of getting married because one is horny:

Maldives holds Guinness world record for divorce rate.  From one article:  "Having grown up in the conservative city of Malé – where sex outside of marriage is seen as a sin and punishable by law – Leena felt obliged to marry her boyfriend when she turned 18. “I held very conservative values at the time. Since we had already had sex, I felt like I had to marry him to legalise sex,” The marriage lasted one month. Since then, Leena, now 29, has been married and divorced twice more and has a child from her third marriage.

...“Parents and society frowns upon unmarried couples spending time together alone and press for marriage even though the couples may not be financially independent,” she said.

...However, living in congested households with extended families had strained both marriages.“ People get married without financial independence and when they are not emotionally mature. There is no privacy to solve the smallest issues. So they escalate.

http://minivannewsarchive.com/society/maldives-holds-guinness-world-record-for-divorce-rate-75770

The idea of getting married just for sex, before financially independent, and living in crowded conditions with a ton of relatives didn't work well for the Maldivians, why do the Duggars think it will work well for them?

I feel bad for Ben and Jessa too. They got married way to soon and for all the wrong reasons. I don't think it's their fault though. The grown ups in their lives should've provided some guidance and help them realize what a bad idea it was. Now they're stuck together. Ben doesn't seem so dumb if you picture him as a normal 20yo in college, unfortunately he's a father and husband...

It makes me feel sad for them because I also married when I wasn't ready and it wasn't until much later that I realized I've made a mistake. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Cleopatra7]

I think the reason why there were so many divorces in the 1970s was because many of those marriages never should have happened in the first place. I imagine after World War II there were a lot of impulsive "the war ended, let's get married" type marriages. Plus, in those days, teen marriage were common, because it was considered more respectable than being a single mother.

[lascuba]

2 hours ago, withaj said:

Rhythm is more intuitive for some people than it is for others. Even if he wasn't raised with music with a beat, it's highly presumptuous to say that there's "no way" for him to even bob his head accurately to rap.

Oh, please. Some people might have a knack for it even without the exposure, but those are the exceptions. Did I strike a nerve or something? What's with the defensiveness on Ben's behalf?

Not rap, but here's a good example of being off rhythm and how Harry Connick, Jr. manages to correct the audience (notice how the drummer pumps his fists when it happens). If a whole damn audience presumably not filled with anti-music fundies can't find a beat, how is it presumptuous to assume that Ben won't be able to without someone leading him every step of the way?

 

[Bad Wolf]

Ben sang secular Christmas songs to Jessa in the car, so he has had more exposure to different types of music from the Duggars. Whether he will rap remains to be seen.

[Four is Enough]

Pretty cool Harry Connick Jr. clip!

[Buzzard]

Its kind of odd.  They spent the season putting together ads for each Duggar daughter "Look! They're eligible and not robots!' Now they're moving on to... bin? Is all of this just an attempt to rehab image?  Lets show the audience that Bin is not a high moron that married a Duggar.  He has skillz and is responsible... and talent! 

I'd be much more interested to see a day in the life of the mysterious JD.  Where is this "house" and "job?"

[Ungodly Grandma]

23 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Ben sang secular Christmas songs to Jessa in the car, so he has had more exposure to different types of music from the Duggars. Whether he will rap remains to be seen.

Oh please PLEASE Lord lay it on Ben's heart to rap! That would be so much fun.

[lascuba]

12 minutes ago, Buzzard said:

Its kind of odd.  They spent the season putting together ads for each Duggar daughter "Look! They're eligible and not robots!' Now they're moving on to... bin? Is all of this just an attempt to rehab image?  Lets show the audience that Bin is not a high moron that married a Duggar.  He has skillz and is responsible... and talent! 

I'd be much more interested to see a day in the life of the mysterious JD.  Where is this "house" and "job?"

I think it's another attempt at proving the haters wrong. "See! We're totally fine with worldy, beat-having music. AND! We have black friends!" Along with, "We can do other things besides cook and clean! Actually, we don't even know how to cook!"

I'd like to see a real day in the life for all of them. Funny how we've never actually seen that since the first specials, if we even saw much then.

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, habert said:

"John David Duggar describes which ingredients he'd include in his meat lover's cupcake"

I'm sorry, TLC, but this really sounds like a euphemism. Porn episode coming up?

[Carol]

5 hours ago, Ungodly Grandma said:

Don't do that, the nuns always assured us sniffing the dittoes would give you brain damage! 

Or they just didn't want kids noses all over their papers!

Funny...the nuns never told us that.  Hmmmm.

[nausicaa]

12 hours ago, sophie10130 said:

Is a mimeograph the same thing as a ditto machine?

I'm in my mid twenties and my elementary school still had a ditto machine. I didn't know it was weird until I was in my last year there and they got a  Xerox machine!! It was paid for by a grant.

I liked that all the papers were purple. It's how I learned all my letters!

I remember being a pre-schooler and looking forward to the day I went to real school and got those purple pages like my brother and sister brought home. I was so bummed when I started first grade and it was all black and white.  I remember telling my friends about them and no one believed me. 

I've essentially been talking about the "good old days" since age 5. 

[Georgiana]

4 hours ago, habert said:

I apologize if this has already been talked about, but I was on TLC's website to watch a clip or two to know what you all are talking about since I don't want to watch the show, and there's a video of all the guys sitting on the couch and the video is titled, for real for real, "John David Duggar describes which ingredients he'd include in his meat lover's cupcake"

wtf

((I do actually try to resist making jokes about this, but I'm only human. Just...can't...hold...back...))

I hope they make this a standard question.  

I would just be SO BLESSED to find out what kind of meat David Waller prefers in his cupcake.  

 

[BadMurphy]

3 hours ago, IReallyAmHopewell said:

Maybe Sierre has purposed to train up Joy in the Godly art of bad wedding planning? A career till Joy begins to breed? She could plan Gothard-only weddings.

Exactly.

This is Jana, our very handy Concert Pianist for Jesus

This is Jinger, our Godly Photographer who makes many cute expressions

This is Joy, our very Joyful Party Planner for Jesus

[nst]

3 hours ago, anotherone said:

I actually feel bad about everyone making fun of him.  He just seems so clueless, like maybe this wasn't quite what he expected.  And I don't think he was up for being laid bare on TV and being constantly snarked on.  Maybe he should have known (didn't he ever see episodes of the Duggars before?), but somehow I just don't think he did.  The Ashley reality roundup got him for making that "what kind of contraption is this" comment about the baby clothes, but when you think of him as college age, I remember the guys I knew as freshmen.  I remember helping them figure out random odd things like you can't put dripping wet clothes in the dryer or things that seem obvious.  I could easily imagine handing one a baby and getting the exact same look as Ben had and no one would have thought twice about it.  Now he's expected to know everything because he grew up in that lifestyle.  Who said above, getting married because you're horny is not a good idea.  He is probably now realizing that and is way pissed.  He doesn't seem to really want to be in front of the TV. 

Maybe I'm all wrong about this because, after all, I am judging only by what I know from his "TV personality".....

 

 

Ben and jessa are not clueless ok Jessa is with her stupid th's but they crafted themselves into this - especially Ben with the hats, the clothing soon the blinking billboards on his glasses, the dancing, Flame, the disastrous videos that he did, he was trying to achieve something so no one would laugh but follow him, he has bombed repeatedly, and now we are reaping what he has bombed his singing and i for one am glad to see him bomb at it. 

[2manyKidzzz]

24 minutes ago, BadMurphy said:

Exactly.

This is Jana, our very handy Concert Pianist for Jesus

This is Jinger, our Godly Photographer who makes many cute expressions

This is Joy, our very Joyful Party Planner for Jesus

Yes!, This!!   They purpose to do these things for Jeebus. Such amazing talents. 

[Timetostoplurking]

I wonder if TLC is just, maybe a little bit, making fun of them.  I haven't been watching the shows, but from the recaps and few promos that I have seen.....they are awful!   Maybe, without JB running interference between the kids and edit/filming crew, we are seeing how dull and akward the kids really are. (I know they were akward before, but now it seems even more so)  I don't think JB and Michelle are particularly smart or worldly, but they are definately more mature than their kids. (Which isn't saying much). TLC might have come in with a contract that excludes JB completely.   So here is the result.....boring....akward ....cringeworthy!   Maybe, maybe that is what TLC wants....more hate watching!  Cuz, for the first time, I'm actually temped to see and even better, hear Bin rap!  

[NeverAFundie]

5 hours ago, habert said:

I apologize if this has already been talked about, but I was on TLC's website to watch a clip or two to know what you all are talking about since I don't want to watch the show, and there's a video of all the guys sitting on the couch and the video is titled, for real for real, "John David Duggar describes which ingredients he'd include in his meat lover's cupcake"

wtf

I sure hope "Making a Meat Lover's Cupcake" or something similar becomes a post count title..