Sisterwives Part 2 - Things Get Complicated

[accountingstar]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, it was posted on Tumblr (http://politicsrusprinciple.tumblr.com/) 3 days ago. I thought that it was interesting about Robyn's former husband. Why didn't she just say that he has an addiction? Interesting that their prophet told them not to do the show. No wonder they have to home church now. Kody probably feels that he knows better than the prophet.

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• Robyn Brown’s relationship with David Preston Jessop

• I had an interesting chat with a friend of mine yesterday who grew up in this family.  She and I have been friends for a few years and I knew she grew up in this lifestyle and that she ran away at 14 or 15.  She lives a “normal” life now in Salt Lake City.  She’s still close to her family, but would never go back to that way of life.  Let’s call her…..“friend”.  Another one of our friends (friend 2) got in on the conversation. Her grandfather [Owen Allred] was the “prophet” until recently.  Most of these people come from the Allred family.  Allred is the predominant surname in the “clan”.  And that is common knowledge here.  (They are not affiliated with people like Warren Jeffs, and others like him.)  
  
  Here are some bits and pieces of our conversation:
  
  I brought up the fact that this family was going on Oprah today, and this is the subsequent conversation.  Of course I’m not mentioning her name, but she is fine with me talking about it.  I also brought up some of the concerns that have been addressed here.

  friend: hehe my relatives JD?  They crack me up

  JD: yes, they embarrass me!

  friend: yup….Christine is such a drama queen.  She always has been.

  friend 2 [Steffie J]: wait… you are related to them too?

  friend: yes….Meri Barber is my cousin. Christine Allred is my cousin.

  second friend:  LOL right on

  friend: Kody Brown is from Wyoming…didnt know him too well

  JD: that show is over the top

  friend: and the newbi wife is from montana [Robyn Marck/Sullivan]

  friend: i knew her exhusband [David Preston Jessop]

  JD: what’s up with the new girl anyway…..she seems to have had some trauma - serious

  friend:  her husband was bad news. He got WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY into the porn world and got sicko pervy.  He wanted her to do things.

  JD: yikes

  friend: he worked her emotionally bad

  JD: yeah, I wondered why every conversation made her cry

  friend: yeh….she’s an emotional wreck,  I feel bad for her…Christine is gonna be a pain in the ass to her.

  Christine ALWAYS had to be center of attention

  friend: regardless she’s not first wife

  friend: they are getting a LOT of sh** from the clan,  They are pissed they went public.  They dont like the attention.

  JD: yeah, I’ve been reading some of that

  friend: which is why they got pissed when i was on the radio talkin bout it.  

  (friend was on a local station where she interned and was interviewed about her previous lifestyle)

  JD: really?  Wow.  It’s not like you were lying.  And you were speaking from personal experience.

  friend: yeh…but they dont like ANY attention.  Cuz a lot of them are in HIGH positions in SLC and no one knows.  Or they are afraid of it hurting or losing their businesses.

  JD: hmmmm - so this show definitely hasn’t helped.  Out of staters that I know are confused by the whole idea.

  friend: yeh…the “prophet” told them not too. I think it was for the money.

  (from here) There is way too much backlash in the community.  They are not even welcomed in their own ward (church house).  I’d be happy if I never see them or hear about them again.  It is an interesting topic, but not an interesting or realistic family.

 

[FundieFarmer]

THANK YOU for posting about PRU. I was on Tumblr last night and couldn't remember the name of it for the life of me. *runs off to read PRU*

[withaj]

Yeah, I started a family tree on all the Sister Wives folks and it was... eye-opening. PoliticsRUs is really what got me started -- there's a lot of info there, but a lot of holes.

[ViolaSebastian]

Looks like Sobyn had the baby at home on Sunday.  No name yet, they're "waiting on her to whisper it in our ear." 

http://www.people.com/article/sister-wives-star-robyn-brown-welcomes-baby-girl?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag

 

[theinvisiblegirl]

Because People gave the name of the midwife, and because I just couldn't resist a little sleuthing, I did a Google search. They spelled her name incorrectly; it's April Kermani. She's a (shocker) certified professional midwife according to this page - babys1stday.com/Midwife/

I'm confused as to whether or not she's actually a certified nurse midwife, because it says she used to work in a hospital in Las Vegas. I highly doubt they were letting anyone in there to work as a nurse. Do you have to renew something in order to continue being a CNM? Did she not renew it and dropped to CPM? It's kind of confusing, so maybe someone who knows more about midwifery can answer that.

One of the first things that came up was this thing from "ripoffreport.com". With a name like that, take it for what it's worth - ripoffreport.com/r/Babys-1st-day/Las-Vegas-Nevada-89119/Babys-1st-day-April-Kermani-Con-artist-coward-Las-Vegas-Nevada-581299

[withaj]

Man, those Brown babies all look alike. This one in particular looks like Christine's kids.

[ViolaSebastian]

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So if you feel like having someone ruin the most important time of your life go with April.

 

Stress and Anger are included in her fee.

Yikes...

[accountingstar]

Doesn't People Magazine proof read?

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Kody, his three wives and their combined 17 children were just as excited about their new family member.

I thought Kody had 4 wives, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn or did one of them leave?

Best comment on the People article:

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Does TLC employ a full time freak finder?

The baby was born on Sunday so what took them so long to announce?

[apandaaries]

23 minutes ago, accountingstar said:

Doesn't People Magazine proof read?

I thought Kody had 4 wives, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn or did one of them leave?

That's pretty odd...

[FundieFarmer]

That's quite the typo...

[Archer]

2 hours ago, accountingstar said:

Doesn't People Magazine proof read?

I thought Kody had 4 wives, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn or did one of them leave?

This is the first thing that got to me too. That's either one hell of a typo or we're about to hear that one of the other wives bailed. We'd all bet on Meri or Christine, but my money is on Janelle...she's the only one rational enough to be able to make a clean break.

[sawasdee]

I think they meant his OTHER three wives......

[accountingstar]

7 hours ago, sawasdee said:

I think they meant his OTHER three wives......

I thought about it, but the math does work for the combined children.

Quote from people:

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Kody, his three wives and their combined 17 children were just as excited about their new family member.

Meri = 1 child

Janelle = 6 children

Christine = 6 children

Robyn = 4 children plus new baby

Total = 17 plus new baby

The sentence would have to state 4 wives for the combined 17 children.

It's just a glaring error.

[SummerRocks]

Did the baby girl whisper her name yet? 

[iknowright]

20 hours ago, theinvisiblegirl said:

Because People gave the name of the midwife, and because I just couldn't resist a little sleuthing, I did a Google search. They spelled her name incorrectly; it's April Kermani. She's a (shocker) certified professional midwife according to this page - babys1stday.com/Midwife/

I'm confused as to whether or not she's actually a certified nurse midwife, because it says she used to work in a hospital in Las Vegas. I highly doubt they were letting anyone in there to work as a nurse. Do you have to renew something in order to continue being a CNM? Did she not renew it and dropped to CPM? It's kind of confusing, so maybe someone who knows more about midwifery can answer that.

One of the first things that came up was this thing from "ripoffreport.com". With a name like that, take it for what it's worth - ripoffreport.com/r/Babys-1st-day/Las-Vegas-Nevada-89119/Babys-1st-day-April-Kermani-Con-artist-coward-Las-Vegas-Nevada-581299

A "Certified Professional Midwife" is NOT the same is a Licensed Nurse Midwife.  Not even close.  with the CPM designation, education and qualifications really don't matter.  They do not go to college.  They do not practice with an OB.  They do not clinical at a hospital.  On average, a CPM will attend maybe 100 births (and that;s a very liberal number) before getting her "certification" from the so called North American Midwife Association.  It is NOT a national medical licensing group (that's ok they say, because they don't practice "medicine.") If your CPM gets in over her head (and quite a few do and some don't admit it) and decides, yeah, maybe you'd be better off in the hospital, get ready for an ER admittance.  They do NOT have hospital privileges.

 

Nurse midwives have six years of college education, and extra years of clinical, and are overseen by an OB in birth centers either in or adjacent to hospitals.  They will not "do" home births.  

 

There are a few cases where some CPM's decided to become real nurses, but not to practice in a hospital.  They wanted to designation to start their own freestanding birth centers (but note...these are NOT affiliated with hospitals nor is there any physician oversize.)  So, again, get into trouble during your delivery at the freestanding birth center and you will be an ER admittance...

[theinvisiblegirl]

1 hour ago, iknowright said:

A "Certified Professional Midwife" is NOT the same is a Licensed Nurse Midwife.  Not even close.  with the CPM designation, education and qualifications really don't matter.  They do not go to college.  They do not practice with an OB.  They do not clinical at a hospital.  On average, a CPM will attend maybe 100 births (and that;s a very liberal number) before getting her "certification" from the so called North American Midwife Association.  It is NOT a national medical licensing group (that's ok they say, because they don't practice "medicine.") If your CPM gets in over her head (and quite a few do and some don't admit it) and decides, yeah, maybe you'd be better off in the hospital, get ready for an ER admittance.  They do NOT have hospital privileges.

Nurse midwives have six years of college education, and extra years of clinical, and are overseen by an OB in birth centers either in or adjacent to hospitals.  They will not "do" home births.  

There are a few cases where some CPM's decided to become real nurses, but not to practice in a hospital.  They wanted to designation to start their own freestanding birth centers (but note...these are NOT affiliated with hospitals nor is there any physician oversize.)  So, again, get into trouble during your delivery at the freestanding birth center and you will be an ER admittance...

I only asked because in her profile on her page, it states that she worked inside a hospital. From her site:

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April started her career in maternity care as a labor and delivery nurse at Sunrise Hospital.  She worked as a labor and delivery nurse for 5 years and helped bring over 1,500 babies into the world over those years. 

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April was a bit surprised at how medicalized birth was in the hospital.  She questioned the necessity of many of the cesarean sections that happened during her years working as a labor and delivery nurse.  April felt she could better serve families by training to become a midwife.  April spent the next two years obtaining her masters degree in nurse midwifery.  Much of April's student midwife years were spent in birth centers and home birth.  After graduating from midwifery school April began a hospital based practice at St. Rose Hospital.  Over a 3 year period April introduced water birth and many other natural child birth friendly options for mothers.  

 

And then under this, there are two headings - What is a certified nurse midwife? and What is a certified professional midwife? Under the latter, the following is written there:

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 April a CPM gives personalized attention to her clients and encourages them to actively participate in their own health care.

This is why I'm confused. She obtained (or tried to) a master's degree in nurse midwifery, but much of her time was spent in birth centers and home birth. Then she began a hospital practice at St. Rose Hospital, which means in that area she probably had the ability to work in a hospital with proper training. Now she's apparently a CPM who only does home births.

My question is - when you are a Certified Nurse Midwife with all the schooling involved, do you have a license that constantly needs to be renewed? If not, how did she jump down to CPM? If something happens and you can no longer be a CNM, can you still be a CPM?

If I was able to have kids (or even wanted them) and was even interested in having a midwife deliver, I feel like I would choose one who works inside an existing doctor's office. We have a practice in the next town over from me where the all female staff of doctors, nurses, and midwives work together in the same place. I feel like that's such a better route to go through if you absolutely need to have a midwife since the midwife will already have a rapport with the doctor. That's just my two cents, though.

 

Edit to add: I scrolled down even farther on the page I linked to. There's a topic that says "How are midwives educated?"

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There are many paths of education for home birth midwives.  Most home birth midwives are apprentice trained.  April's formal education are one of the things that set her apart.  April has a bachelor’s degree in nursing and a master’s degree in the art of midwifery. In addition to this formal education April has practiced as labor and delivery nurses for several years in between their bachelors degree and masters. April has also had to pass rigorous state nursing board exams and national midwifery board exams to be licensed to practice.

This is just... confusing now. Are you a CNM or a CPM, girl?

[Mrsaztx]

2 hours ago, theinvisiblegirl said:

I only asked because in her profile on her page, it states that she worked inside a hospital. From her site:

And then under this, there are two headings - What is a certified nurse midwife? and What is a certified professional midwife? Under the latter, the following is written there:

This is why I'm confused. She obtained (or tried to) a master's degree in nurse midwifery, but much of her time was spent in birth centers and home birth. Then she began a hospital practice at St. Rose Hospital, which means in that area she probably had the ability to work in a hospital with proper training. Now she's apparently a CPM who only does home births.

My question is - when you are a Certified Nurse Midwife with all the schooling involved, do you have a license that constantly needs to be renewed? If not, how did she jump down to CPM? If something happens and you can no longer be a CNM, can you still be a CPM?

If I was able to have kids (or even wanted them) and was even interested in having a midwife deliver, I feel like I would choose one who works inside an existing doctor's office. We have a practice in the next town over from me where the all female staff of doctors, nurses, and midwives work together in the same place. I feel like that's such a better route to go through if you absolutely need to have a midwife since the midwife will already have a rapport with the doctor. That's just my two cents, though.

 

Edit to add: I scrolled down even farther on the page I linked to. There's a topic that says "How are midwives educated?"

This is just... confusing now. Are you a CNM or a CPM, girl?

I wonder if she was a CNM, but decided she wanted to attend home births, and insurance, tort law, etc, won't let her attend home births as a CNM so she decided to let her license lapse? That seems the most logical thing to me, so it's probably way off 

[chaotic life]

First, CNMs can and sometimes DO attend home births. Officially, ACNM's position is in support of home births and it is within their scope of practice. Generally, most CNMs do not attend home births because of liability and how insanely hard it is to get malpractice insurance when you attend home births. It is the same reason CNMs don't often have birthing centers anymore, liability not an inability TO attend freestanding birthing center births.

No one by that name has a midwifery or RN license in the state of Nevada. Generally, even if your license is expired or retired you still show up in your state's license verification database. But I can't get Nevada's to show alternate spellings fwiw.

CPM does have some mandatory requirements to sit for NARM certification, which is what CPM means--that they are a direct entry midwife who has sat for and passed NARM certification.

While a CNEP program would meet the requirements to sit for NARM's certification exam, the absolute ONLY reason I can think why ANY CNEP grad with her MSN would sit for NARM certification and not the AMCB certification is if she failed AMCB. You finish your CNEP program with a ridiculous level of debt AND a significantly higher level of training than DEMs, you'll make chump change as a CPM compared to CNM and you'll sacrifice your practice rights, your prescriptive powers, your NPI #, your DEA # AND CNMs have independent practice rights in more states than all other APRNs. I cannot fathom why it you failed your AMCB exams the first time you wouldn't pony up the money to take a review class with high pass rates and guaranteed or they pay for your next attempt results.

This leads me to believe she is likely being very creative in her bio and intentionally making it SOUND like she earned her MSN-CNEP when in fact she did not.

Here's a good comparison chart. As you can see, you CAN earn a master's in professional midwifery to sit for NARM's exam and be a CPM. You can also be a CNM for it, but if she were a CNM she show up in her state's licensure verification system.

http://www.amcbmidwife.org/amcb-certification/why-amcb-certification-

https://www.midwifery.edu/midwifery-program-overview/

Here's a master's in midwifery but you must already be a CPM for this one. I would guess the distance learning one lots of DEMs do to qualify for NARM probably has a master's option if I can remember their name.

https://www.midwifery.edu/midwifery-program-overview/

Something like this: http://m.bastyr.edu/academics/areas-study/midwifery-degree-programs/master-science-midwifery

[LovelyLuna]

Thanks to Fundies and FJ I have learned far more about the spectrum of Midwifery training then I ever thought possible. I have also learned that people do incredibly crazy things in the pursuit of laboring the way they want to (looking at you Duggars). I also fantasies about giving birth in England where the MW’s and the home birth process seams amazing. I’m childless and thinking I may need to get a life...

 

[Coconut Flan]

April Marie Kermani has an RN license that expires 9/11/16.  She had an APN for four months in 2004.  RN license is RN36201 and the APN was a temp T-700226.

 

[Imagine20]

That first page sounds like a cross between a Dear Penthouse letter and a Harlequin romance. 

As for her blog, she's got inconsistencies regarding whoever is supposedly publishing this thing. And why would she need a publisher of she's a millionaire, why not self publish.  Also, why had she not hired an editor. 

She also tries to make her lies seem more realistic and plausible by being overly descriptive regarding irrelevant facts, especially when describing her day. 

And taking down that "catfisher" was pathetic. Nobody would write those emails to someone they set as a mark. It's her own doing, to proport to prove how tech savvy she is after "Sam's"  corporate website was shown to be completely amateurish especially for a multinational corporation. 

Also, CEOs of companies don't travel to work sites like Sam does. People come to the CEO and Board. She writes like she imagines the life of a CEO to be. 

[Mitz_]

I just love this woman, she is the shit. 

Samuel sez that Jackie Overton sez to leave her alone or she is gonna sue every damn body.

http://www.notbatmanyet.com/?p=2409

BWAaahahahahaaa!

 

[Imagine20]

If you look up Jackie's twitter, it seems like a handful of people arguing with each other and I'm pretty sure they're all the same person.  This person is creepy. 

[socalrules]

I always get confused by the notbatman blog. So this is supposed to be the blog of the well-educated millionaire that was madly in love with Meri? Why does he write like a slightly above average fourth grader?

[FundieFarmer]

I always get confused by the notbatman blog. So this is supposed to be the blog of the well-educated millionaire that was madly in love with Meri? Why does he write like a slightly above average fourth grader?

Sure doesn't help sell me on how Meri fell for this other than truly blind desire.