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Coconut Flan posted a topic in Quiverfull of Fundamentalist Mormonism (including polygamy and Warren Jeffs)Continued from here: As the season winds down, the Browns contemplate facing various truths or more likely stay mired in denial. Kody has a new ridiculous curled up man bun with shaved edges and has a well maintained dead shark look.
FundieFarmer posted a topic in Quiverfull of Fundamentalist Mormonism (including polygamy and Warren Jeffs)Suspicious there are actually 5 adults in that family. Continuing on from here.
SpoonfulOSugar posted a topic in Quiverfull of Fundamentalist Mormonism (including polygamy and Warren Jeffs)We made it through Season 7! So did Kody! Rumor has it he thinks another wife would be a good idea?! Surely this will not end well. And then, there's a catfish. Previous thread: And now, all the Brown family drama continues here. Enjoy!
SpoonfulOSugar posted a topic in Quiverfull of Fundamentalist Mormonism (including polygamy and Warren Jeffs)Season 7 starts soon. Will Meri admit to the error of her ways? Will Robyn continue to rule the roost? Will Kody get a new hairstyle? Part 2 can be found here:
happy atheist posted a topic in Quiverfull of Fundamentalist Mormonism (including polygamy and Warren Jeffs)Kody Brown has 4 wives. He divorced his only legal wife in order to legally marry #4. Then #1 got a boyfriend, only he wasn't real. Or something. Like I said, it's complicated. I'll leave it for someone more knowledgable than myself on the matter to fill in the details. Part 1: http://www.freejinger.org/topic/23706-meri-sisterwives-has-a-boyfriend-er-catfish-merged/?page=1 archive: http://www.freejinger.org/forum/293-sister-wives-kody-brown/
I just caught up on Burning Love 2 on Yahoo, http://screen.yahoo.com/limo-introductions-093039306.html, and noticed that Jerry O'Connel's character, the polygamist, acts JUST LIKE Kody Brown from Sister Wives! He must have studied the show to get his mannerisms down so right! The scene in one of the later episodes, where he is combing and styling his hair, made me laugh so hard I nearly wet myself, it was SO Kody Brown. AND Jerry O'Connel isn't even balding! Has anybody else seen that "season" of Burning Love? If you use the link, make sure you scroll down to click on season 2, Julie Gristlewhite's season. Edited for illumination, and riffles!
After reading the thread about the Maxwells screening questions at their presentations and not permitting any questions at all at their Pittsburgh event (allegedly for "time" reasons, although I posted my views about that), I started thinking about the difference between them and the Browns (of "Sister Wives" fame) and it really highlighted for me the ways in which the Maxwells are cowardly and, ultimately, probably much less effective as ministers than they might otherwise be. Both Steve Maxwell and Kody Brown have a religious viewpoint that they're trying to express to the world, and a set of core guiding principles that they are wholly committed to. Kody Brown, however, has a viewpoint that is much more unpopular and hard to sell to the general public: he believes in polygamy and thinks that it should be legalized. Prior to his show, I think you would be extremely hard pressed to find many Americans (outside of the LDS and existing polygamous communities) that supported polygamy. On the flip side, at least from a fairly abstract perspective, Steve Maxwell's ideology and religious perspective is NOT particularly strange or unpopular. He believes in -- and this is certainly a Cliff Notes version of what I gather from his blog to be his views -- commitment to Christ, strong families, shielding children from worldly influences, and living in a way that honors God. I am probably 25 notches to the left of where Steve stands on any given issue and even I, at a very basic level, don't technically disagree with any of that. And I think that a huge number of Americans, at least in theory, subscribe to most of those views, as well. So, Steve Maxwell -- as someone who wants to promote his views -- has a FAR easier task ahead of him than Kody Brown. But this is where things get interesting (at least for me). Kody Brown has taken a RADICALLY different approach to this than Steve Maxwell. Whereas Steve Maxwell cloisters his family, censors the comments on his blog (only SUPPORTIVE ones get posted), screens questions at his presentations (or forbids them entirely), and otherwise seems to go out of his way to avoid confrontation, dissent, and people who think differently than he does, Kody Brown seeks out people with different views and has gone out of his way to talk to people who oppose his lifestyle. As much as you make dislike him personally (and I am certainly not a huge fan), you can't deny that he has tried to be as open and honest as possible about his lifestyle as well as accessible to his critics. For instance, Kody, his four wives, and several of his older children went to Harvard University (that bastion of secular liberalism, moral decay, and evil feminism, right?) and had an open Q&A session with -- SURPRISE! -- gays, feminists, and people of different religious beliefs. And he and his wives recently released a tell-all book about the very real struggles that they've encountered as polygamists both within their relationships with one another and with the outside world. (It's really a great read if you haven't picked it up, yet.). They don't sugarcoat anything and they have repeatedly shown themselves willing to answer tough questions. And it's working. Almost entirely as a result of their show, a very large number of people are reconsidering their views on polygamy. Personally, I would have sworn up and down before I watched their show that polygamy was NEVER a good option for women, that it should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and that there was no room in our free and modern society for people seeking to live a polygamous lifestyle. Now, however, having watched two seasons of "Sister Wives," my views on polygamy have changed. I have a much more nuanced opinion. My husband and I joke that every time we watch "Sister Wives" for 30 minutes we sit and discuss polygamy and society for 4 hours. Kody Brown's hearts and minds campaign is working. And it's working because he's willing to sit and answer the tough questions. Then there's Steve Maxwell. *Sigh.* Steve Maxwell should NOT be a very controversial figure. As I said above, his beliefs, though extreme, are not that unusual, particularly among conservative Christians. But Steve Maxwell does everything that Kody Brown doesn't. His approach is to try to control as much of his world as possible. To avoid critics. To ignore the tough questions. To build walls and shields around his family so that they never encounter people with views hostile to their own. He's willing to sit in his house and issue forth parenting advice and judgments (remember the whole "she's going to hell because she was a Catholic" fiasco?), but he's not willing to confront his critics -- or even let them SPEAK if he can control it (unfavorable comments get ignored, questions get screened). It's cowardly AND it limits how powerful his message can truly be. Steve is LOSING the hearts and minds campaign. Half of his readers are probably people (like me and everyone else on this board) that log on to his family's blog just to gawk at how truly bizarre and cultish they are. This is not an effective ministry. I would feel very different about Steve Maxwell if he showed up on Free Jinger one day and said, "Hi! I'm Steve Maxwell. Ask me anything!" and then truly engaged with his critics. Or, shoot, if he were just willing to have an open Q&A at the end of his presentations. His beliefs might be extreme, but if he were even willing to have an open conversation about them, I think most of us on this board would view him very differently. We would at least *listen* to him and it wouldn't be so easy to snark on him afterwards. Note, for instance, that while people on this board have qualms and various peccadilloes about certain members of the Brown family, NOBODY is accusing them of being a cult. And the history of this community demonstrates that most of us have substantially more respect for people who are willing to show up and have a conversation. Steve Maxwell, thus far, is NOT that person. It appears that he probably reads this board somewhat regularly but actively works to avoid having to speak with any of us (or even acknowledge that he has any critics at all). Steve Maxwell's story is one of a small man being limited by his smallness. It's a parable about how control and isolation are not effective positions from which to minister. Steve Maxwell could be a substantially more influential and well-respected figure, but even among conservative fundamentalists he's viewed as strange and extreme (at least according to the conversations we've had on this board with people high up in the movement). How sad for him.