It has started- Women come crawling from the woodwork

[Daenerys]

I could actually see him being really strict about alcohol/drug use, as a way to convince himself that he's being moral in one area if not in others.

I think on a profile where he was putting himself out there for sex he would surely admit to it if he drank, as few people would view that negatively. I am inclined to believe that he is teetotal and probably uses that to look down on others - all whilst having been hiding a much worse behaviour of his own.

[LogansMom]

If Josh actually shorted Dillon on her fees by $500 - is it ROL that claims that? - I'd be furious if I were her. That's a gross and shitty thing to do to someone who has no legal recourse. Like stiffing or underpaying an undocumented worker just because their work is done and you can get away with it because the system doesn't exist to protect them from your abuse. If Dillon makes that money back now in spades, I'd just have to call it karma.

If he had shorted me $500 after such awful sex, I would have set up cameras for the second time, filmed him and sold that tape to the tabloids. Or better yet, JB would have payed me anything I wanted for that tape.

[MistofRain752]

If he had shorted me $500 after such awful sex, I would have set up cameras for the second time, filmed him and sold that tape to the tabloids. Or better yet, JB would have payed me anything I wanted for that tape.

Josh thought he could buy used and save the difference!

[Marissap]

To the bolded: Jessa, dear, I hope now you might have an inkling of what might just be wrong with this assumption given your brother was assumed to be monogamous with his wife until last week.

Yeah I'd love to see her retract this. Her deviant older brother is messing up their tried and true spiel!

[Janes Heir]

Right. Just when I thought the threads were going surprisingly slow... Actually, I think I'm getting Duggar scandal burnout. It's all so sleazy, I just want to forget that Duggars and fundies exist for a while and spend some time on difficult, theoretical reading.

I am a bit curious though if this woman had any idea who he was at the time of the 'encounters'. I'm not judging her for being a sex worker, but I think she could just keep her comments about Anna needing to leave him to herself, especially if she had any idea about his family when she did the work. It's just unnecessary and insulting.

[southernfriedwriter]

I've had unsolicited dick picks that were taken from the angle of from the balls towards the face (so you could see the face in the background) or in a mirror with the guy showing just how much he's "pleasuring himself."

My ex took nekkid pictures where I could see the furniture in the background and know for sure the photos were taken in our house. What a moron! :cray-cray:

[DeFrauder]

Protestants believe that the way to Heaven and God's mercy is through Jesus. Only through belief and professing that Jesus is the Son of God can a person be 'saved'. That is the anchor of the 'Christian' belief in their eyes.

Catholics, in Protestants eyes, get to God through the clergy, by beseeching Jesus' mother Mary to intercede. It isn't the belief that a direct plea to Jesus is what gets them to heaven, therefore, not Christians.

Again, not my belief necessarily, just how Protestant Christians see Catholics.

It is true that some Protestants (especially Evangelicals and Fundies) believe this about Catholicism, but they are misinformed about what Catholics believe.

[DeFrauder]

I've read and reread this thread. I just can't wrap my head around "Rough Sex Josh." I would assume a professional has ways of handling/facilitating a sexual experience, and that the professional would drive the interaction. It seems to me that Ms. Dillon would have a lot more experience in sexual situations than Josh and be able to handle him.

I think she may be riding the publicity train here. Maybe they had sex, who knows? I feel sure he did with professionals, but a porn star..? I'm dubious.

Josh seems more sneaky and passive aggressive than this...It doesn't add up for me. :think:

Professionals rarely have full control of the encounter and the more vulnerable a prostitute is in society, the more vulnerable she is in the hands of a John.

What you are saying is very similar to saying that a prostitute can't be raped because she/he is a prostitute. The fact is that it happens all the time. Prostitutes also get beaten up all the time by Johns. Even the expensive ones like Ms Dillon are vulnerable to violence from Johns.

[smackyabum]

It's always seemed like a trained behavior to me, the creepy loving gaze especially. Somehow I doubt he'll be getting that look again anytime soon. I hope she threw dishes at his lying cheating face.

I think it's obviously an act because they all do it. DQ stares at dimbulb that way and I've seen some of the older girls look at one another that way in those one on one fake diary things they do in the show. I can distinctly remember Jinger staring that way at someone and Jill & Jessa both do it to their husbands. It's obviously something TLC taught them. I mean if someone is telling a story, for example, you wouldn't want to just stare at the camera awkwardly. That would seem set up instead of them "having a (fake) conversation"

[twinmama]

Lmao I guess I don't really get the utterly repulsed attitude about Josh's (so far, imaginary) dick pics. I'm sure he has a completely average little peepee. I doubt it's either remarkably disgusting or remarkably beautiful. I would actually be a little delighted if a dick pic surfaced, because it's one more thing to reveal what an asshole he is. But at this point, how could anyone prove it was even his? Unless there's a clear view of a family photo or something, a person could put up a generic dick pic and pretend it belonged to him. (Because let's face it, unless you're intimately familiar with the dick in question, they tend to look alike. And somehow I doubt Anna would come out and say 'THAT IS NOT MY HUSBAND'S PENIS')

I don't want to see ANYONE's dick pic, not just Josh's. But unless he himself sent it to a news source, I don't want anyone violating his privacy like that. Despite him being a total asshole perv, a photo privately taken and sent to someone else should remain private.

But LMAO at the idea of a dick pic with a family photo in it. "Hey lady from Ashley Madison, here is a pic of my dick, and my 18 siblings! Hope you find that hot."

[twinmama]

FWIW, I'm reading now that this lady did a lie detector interview with InTouch.

LOL But those are completely useless.

[twinmama]

I agree. I wouldn't put it past Smuggar to do such a thing, but no real professional would agree to have sex without a condom. It's not worth the money Josh allegedly paid. To deal with a STD costs a lot more than that, and professionals must know that.

But I wonder how much money Josh spent for his sexual encounters. The AM account is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Right?? If that is her livelihood, I have a real hard time believing she would risk it by having sex with no protection. Nothing he paid her would be more than her entire future career that she could lose by contracting something.

[Deist woman]

I see Josh as someone who is so uninformed about sex that he would be naive enough to think that what he sees on the porn tapes are actually how "regular" people (not from his little corner of fundie-dom) have sex. He would probably have no idea that the acts he sees on video are staged and exaggerated to the point of being a parody of sex. I think that he absolutely would handle the porn star in the way he saw on DVD, with no inkling that she would find it frightening and repulsive in an actual sexual encounter. The fact that he toned it down on the second encounter, after she read him the riot act, confirms this in my mind. I really don't see anything in the events as reported by the actress that strains my credulity.

I wonder if anyone in the ATI set perceives the disconnect between "always be available to your husband for sex, so he won't stray", and the prohibitions about sex during menstruation and postpartum that proscribe sex for two weeks out of every month, and up to 3 months after childbirth? Josh is a sleaze ball, and every horrible act he has done was totally his own choice. But I wonder if ATI is going to think that maybe men, who are "vulnerable to temptation" at the best of times, are at higher risk to stray during those marital dry spells. I hope that they won't think that the "cure" is just to start telling women to give blow jobs when vaginal sex is off the table.

[HighlandCow]

I wonder if anyone in the ATI set perceives the disconnect between "always be available to your husband for sex, so he won't stray", and the prohibitions about sex during menstruation and postpartum that proscribe sex for two weeks out of every month, and up to 3 months after childbirth? Josh is a sleaze ball, and every horrible act he has done was totally his own choice. But I wonder if ATI is going to think that maybe men, who are "vulnerable to temptation" at the best of times, are at higher risk to stray during those marital dry spells. I hope that they won't think that the "cure" is just to start telling women to give blow jobs when vaginal sex is off the table.

I didn't realize ATI did this too. Apparently Hasidic men going to BDSM dungeons while their wives are niddah (unclean) is a thing.

[Seren Ann]

I wonder if anyone in the ATI set perceives the disconnect between "always be available to your husband for sex, so he won't stray", and the prohibitions about sex during menstruation and postpartum that proscribe sex for two weeks out of every month, and up to 3 months after childbirth? Josh is a sleaze ball, and every horrible act he has done was totally his own choice. But I wonder if ATI is going to think that maybe men, who are "vulnerable to temptation" at the best of times, are at higher risk to stray during those marital dry spells. I hope that they won't think that the "cure" is just to start telling women to give blow jobs when vaginal sex is off the table.

No oral sex in Gothardland, only PIV sex. Don't you know oral sex is sinful because it only focuses on pleasure and not building your army for the Lord ? You're not allowed to waste those sperm ! It's almost as bad as abortion !!!!!11!!!1!!!

About the truthfulness of the article... i'm inclined to believe it, because InTouch has been flawless in their reporting of the molestation scandal and I think they would want to be very careful to have accurate information with any further reporting on the Duggars to maintain that credibility they gained.

[meep]

Yeah I'd love to see her retract this. Her deviant older brother is messing up their tried and true spiel!

I say this as someone who also used to believe and espouse this type of shit...it's pathetic and hilarious that she thinks if someone is willingly to have sex outside of marriage, it automatically means "having sex with every guy who comes along". :penguin-no:

[Deist woman]

No oral sex in Gothardland, only PIV sex. Don't you know oral sex is sinful because it only focuses on pleasure and not building your army for the Lord ? You're not allowed to waste those sperm ! It's almost as bad as abortion !!!!!11!!!1!!!

About the truthfulness of the article... i'm inclined to believe it, because InTouch has been flawless in their reporting of the molestation scandal and I think they would want to be very careful to have accurate information with any further reporting on the Duggars to maintain that credibility they gained.

I first read that as , "you're not allowed to TASTE those sperm!". I wonder, though, if it would be the lesser of evils. After all, men are not allowed to masturbate (no spilling seed on the tent floor!). And maybe they can paraphrase a bible verse, "It is better to blow, than to burn". And it would be a really great marketing ploy for the cult......no sex before marriage (or, maybe, no REAL sex before marriage.......what happens with the sisters, stays in Arkansas). But after marriage, the little woman is obligated to give it to you every single night! If the vagina is out of action, just break out those bible verse quoting lips and bring your man closer to God! Just give her a night off during actual labor, because you don't want to be a thoughtless headship, after all.

[IReallyAmHopewell]

I think it's obviously an act because they all do it. DQ stares at dimbulb that way and I've seen some of the older girls look at one another that way in those one on one fake diary things they do in the show. I can distinctly remember Jinger staring that way at someone and Jill & Jessa both do it to their husbands. It's obviously something TLC taught them. I mean if someone is telling a story, for example, you wouldn't want to just stare at the camera awkwardly. That would seem set up instead of them "having a (fake) conversation"

Gothard teaches this--attentive listening. Jim-Bob and now the s-i-l look down their nose at the wife. That's the male posture of attentive listening. Remember, J_B says listening to your wife is a turn on for her.

[Exposedknees]

Professionals rarely have full control of the encounter and the more vulnerable a prostitute is in society, the more vulnerable she is in the hands of a John.

What you are saying is very similar to saying that a prostitute can't be raped because she/he is a prostitute. The fact is that it happens all the time. Prostitutes also get beaten up all the time by Johns. Even the expensive ones like Ms Dillon are vulnerable to violence from Johns.

Nope. not at all what I said.

I said that parts of the story did not add up for me based on the behavior I have observed from Josh on a TV show. I did not say anything about prostitute vulnerability. I am certain that sex workers are subject to terrible abuse.

Ms. Dillon's story sounds fishy to me, that is all.

[Maggie Mae]

Nope. not at all what I said.

I said that parts of the story did not add up for me based on the behavior I have observed from Josh on a TV show. I did not say anything about prostitute vulnerability. I am certain that sex workers are subject to terrible abuse.

Ms. Dillon's story sounds fishy to me, that is all.

Pretty much everyone can behave one way in one situation and another in a different situation. We've seen Josh on TV. Not 24/7. We don't know what he's like when the cameras are off. We don't know how he treats his wife. There are also plenty of women who had no idea that they were married to a serial cheater/serial killer/drag queen.

[DamnPrecious]

John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

I was raised Baptist and I was taught that you pray to Jesus only. Praying to dead people and going through your priest is essentially idolatry.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God.

I found a thread to another forum about how Catholics are Christians, but I think this should be another topic.

[luv2laugh]

Why can't we stay on topic here? I just come home and read here only to find nothing about what's going on but banter about something totally off topic. Can someone at least fill me in then? Now I have no idea what's going on because no one is on topic of this post.

[meep]

John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

I was raised Baptist and I was taught that you pray to Jesus only. Praying to dead people and going through your priest is essentially idolatry.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God.

I found a thread to another forum about how Catholics are Christians, but I think this should be another topic.

....what is this in response to??? I'm confused, how did we get to talking about this?

[DamnPrecious]

I agree it makes no sense. My mother was very Catholic and my dad and all his family were hard-core Old Fashioned Missionary Baptists when my mom's family moved to Kentucky and my parents met. I never could understand why my mom hated going to my dad's family dinners on Sunday afternoon when I was little, until I was old enough to really hear the discussions she was forced into when my Baptist aunts and uncles would start in on Catholics. Of course, it was not much better when I was dragged to Mass early Sunday mornings and then lectured on the ride home on how my dad was practically a godless heathen. I've never agreed with *some* Protestants and their belief systems against other faiths.

This is what I was replying to.

[holierthanyou]

FFS, why am I still stuck with this "full time job" nonsense that keeps me from getting this news quickly! Every day is a new Duggar surprise gift when I get home and log on FJ.

What will tomorrow bring? The sale of his sex tape (no Sunday sales please)?