It has started- Women come crawling from the woodwork

[silverspoons]

I've read and reread this thread. I just can't wrap my head around "Rough Sex Josh." I would assume a professional has ways of handling/facilitating a sexual experience, and that the professional would drive the interaction. It seems to me that Ms. Dillon would have a lot more experience in sexual situations than Josh and be able to handle him.

I think she may be riding the publicity train here. Maybe they had sex, who knows? I feel sure he did with professionals, but a porn star..? I'm dubious.

Josh seems more sneaky and passive aggressive than this...It doesn't add up for me. :think:

If the story is true he watched a lot of porn and was a follower of hers. Maybe his rough sex was acting out something he saw in porn? Maybe is thought she liked what she had done in a movie.

[Special friend]

But isn't it the same thing? Both Jesus and Mary are sacred in the catholic faith, and people pray to them to knterceed with god. God is never directly adressed as far as i know. Is that protestants consider Jesus to be god himself?

That is not entirely correct. Catholics also believe Jesus is God (as well as the Holy Spirit).

Mary was a human being. A special and holy person, since God chose her out of all women who ever lived on earth to become the mother of Jesus. But still human.

And just like you can ask any living person to pray for you (and the Duggars do this constantly), you can also ask dead people to intercede for you, if you assume they are in heaven. Presumably, they have an even closer connection to God than the people who are still alive.

So, Catholics also ask dead people (relatives or saints, or Mary) to intercede. If Mary was Jesus` mom here on earth we think she likely she still has a closer connection to her son than other (random) people who have died.

That is the difference: You ask humans (relatives, saints, Mary) to pray / intercede for you, but you pray TO God (God Father / Jesus / Holy Spirit).

So yes, entirely the same as in Protestant denominations ( we ask humans to intercede, we pray TO God). :mrgreen:

ETA: QuiverR4Hunting, you beat me to it!

[quiversR4hunting]

For example, in last year's Cosmopolitan interview, Jessa threw out some totally bullshit stats about how you have a 80% of getting an STD if you have sex outside marriage: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainme ... s/?src=rss

"Jessa: In today's day and time it's a little bit strange to be in your early 20s and have not had sex, but it's how our parents did it. It's how our grandparents did it. We have a self-respect where we feel confident in who we are, even apart from having a sexual relationship. In a monogamous relationship where it's just one man and one woman there's like a zero percent chance of you contracting that type of sexually transmitted disease, but when you're promiscuous and just go out and live like however — having sex with every guy who comes along — then there's a huge chance, a probably 80 percent chance you'll come down with something like that and get something that will really affect you for the rest of your life."

"It's how our grandparents did it!"

ha ha ha! Not all grandparents were monogamous, not all grandparents had one marriage due to loosing a spouse to war/child birth/illness/abandonment/assholeness

We have a self-respect where we feel confident in who we are, even apart from having a sexual relationship.

Me having sex before marriage had nothing to do with lack of confidence or lack of self-respect.

huge chance, a probably 80 percent chance you'll come down with something

Taking lessons from Steve Maxwell (or is Ken Alexander - I can't keep those 2 straight) school of statistics!

Even though this is old news (as you pointed out last year's article) it reminds me their lack of critical thinking skills.

[Cartmann99]

Looks like little Joshie is off to Christian sex addiction rehab, as per the Daily Mail, with a short statement from the parents.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... nancy.html

So, how many houses will this rehab have him build?

[quiversR4hunting]

So, how many houses will this rehab have him build?

not enough

[HighlandCow]

I've read and reread this thread. I just can't wrap my head around "Rough Sex Josh." I would assume a professional has ways of handling/facilitating a sexual experience, and that the professional would drive the interaction. It seems to me that Ms. Dillon would have a lot more experience in sexual situations than Josh and be able to handle him.

I think she may be riding the publicity train here. Maybe they had sex, who knows? I feel sure he did with professionals, but a porn star..? I'm dubious.

Josh seems more sneaky and passive aggressive than this...It doesn't add up for me. :think:

Despite the vanilla OK Cuipd profile, rough treatment is EXACTLY what I would expect from Josh. Josh has a low view of women, a low view of sex-workers when he is not fapping, and was probably trying to fuck like a pornstar. Prostitutes/Pornstars don't have magic men controlling powers, that is why they can be raped or worse. Many men assume that paying a prostitute means they can do ANYTHING with/to them, and with Josh's upbringing in a submission/no consent culture I don't think he would be different.

[Exposedknees]

Despite the vanilla OK Cuipd profile, rough treatment is EXACTLY what I would expect from Josh. Josh has a low view of women, a low view of sex-workers when he is not fapping, and was probably trying to fuck like a pornstar. Prostitutes/Pornstars don't have magic men controlling powers, that is why they can be raped or worse. Many men assume that paying a prostitute means they can do ANYTHING with/to them, and with Josh's upbringing in a submission/no consent culture I don't think he would be different.

I understand your point, I could totally see JimBob acting that way...I just have a hard time with unsophisticated Josh not being star struck or something. He seems like a passive sneak attack sort of guy-like with his sisters. I just picture when the boobs are actually out there, him being shy and more submissive.

But I could see it both ways. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I would expect her to have more experience than Josh, but I'm not trying to victim shame. Something's just a little off on her story imo.

[goldfishgoddess]

Many men assume that paying a prostitute means they can do ANYTHING with/to them, and with Josh's upbringing in a submission/no consent culture I don't think he would be different.

Joshley was just trying to get the biggest bang for his buck. Simples.

[justoneoftwo]

I understand your point, I could totally see JimBob acting that way...I just have a hard time with unsophisticated Josh not being star struck or something. He seems like a passive sneak attack sort of guy-like with his sisters. I just picture when the boobs are actually out there, him being shy and more submissive.

But I could see it both ways. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I would expect her to have more experience than Josh, but I'm not trying to victim shame. Something's just a little off on her story imo.

My biggest question is her agreeing to the second time. He stiffed her, she was scared of him, she had the ability to say no, she already had once, why would she have agreed to the second time? I'm also not trying to victim shame, but I don't think its likely to be true.

[HighlandCow]

My biggest question is her agreeing to the second time. He stiffed her, she was scared of him, she had the ability to say no, she already had once, why would she have agreed to the second time? I'm also not trying to victim shame, but I don't think its likely to be true.

Yeah that's where I stopped buying it too, TBH

[Guest]

Part of me believes it, and part of me doesn't believe the story. Then again, none of us believed the molestation rumors and they turned out to be true. It's totally possible. I just need more evidence.

[ethel]

My biggest question is her agreeing to the second time. He stiffed her, she was scared of him, she had the ability to say no, she already had once, why would she have agreed to the second time? I'm also not trying to victim shame, but I don't think its likely to be true.

Maybe she was "star-struck"? Maybe she was a "19 Kids and Counting" fan, lol

[Rubyroo]

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My biggest question is her agreeing to the second time. He stiffed her, she was scared of him, she had the ability to say no, she already had once, why would she have agreed to the second time? I'm also not trying to victim shame, but I don't think its likely to be true.

This is from the radar online article

Again, Duggar propositioned her for sex, but she was reluctant due to his rough sexual habits.

Duggar promised to “be more gentle†and to pay the full $1,500, so she agreed. Dillon told the magazine she kept a phone by the bed the second time, just in case if she had to call 911, but Duggar was less physically aggressive, albeit still verbally abusive.

So she didn't just jump into bed with him. She was reluctant but he didn't act that way the second time (according to the tabloid source, of course)

[SportsgalAnnie]

OK so a Harry Potter derail in the other thread, and a Catholics vs. Christians derail in this thread :/

Welcome to FreeJinger

we have also had

Shoes in Houses among other things

[hennypenny]

My biggest question is her agreeing to the second time. He stiffed her, she was scared of him, she had the ability to say no, she already had once, why would she have agreed to the second time? I'm also not trying to victim shame, but I don't think its likely to be true.

Maybe it wasn't bad the first time. Maybe it was butt slap/pull hair. Maybe it was really bad the second time.

And I would tattle on a abusive pos for some cash and I think of myself as a pretty moral human being.

Josh was probably beat with a rod over and over for his sins. Being a used physically can effect your sexual habits.

[violynn]

But isn't it the same thing? Both Jesus and Mary are sacred in the catholic faith, and people pray to them to knterceed with god. God is never directly adressed as far as i know. Is that protestants consider jesus to be god himself?

I agree it makes no sense. My mother was very Catholic and my dad and all his family were hard-core Old Fashioned Missionary Baptists when my mom's family moved to Kentucky and my parents met. I never could understand why my mom hated going to my dad's family dinners on Sunday afternoon when I was little, until I was old enough to really hear the discussions she was forced into when my Baptist aunts and uncles would start in on Catholics. Of course, it was not much better when I was dragged to Mass early Sunday mornings and then lectured on the ride home on how my dad was practically a godless heathen. I've never agreed with *some* Protestants and their belief systems against other faiths.

[justoneoftwo]

Maybe it wasn't bad the first time. Maybe it was butt slap/pull hair. Maybe it was really bad the second time.

And I would tattle on a abusive pos for some cash and I think of myself as a pretty moral human being.

Josh was probably beat with a rod over and over for his sins. Being a used physically can effect your sexual habits.

I would tell too, thats not what I'm questioning. Sex workers are generally good business people, they have to be, if you were stiffed by a client would you just believe him when he said he wouldn't next time? It was bad enough the first time that she was prepared to call 911 during the second. . .

[nana sew dear]

Does anyone else think that Josh has been lying about drinking and drug use? I'm not talking about a full-on lost weekend, but even a little would be a lot for him. It could change his personality.

I also don't think DQ and JB have any idea of how hard it is to beat an addiction.

[martian]

I understand your point, I could totally see JimBob acting that way...I just have a hard time with unsophisticated Josh not being star struck or something. He seems like a passive sneak attack sort of guy-like with his sisters. I just picture when the boobs are actually out there, him being shy and more submissive.

But I could see it both ways. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I would expect her to have more experience than Josh, but I'm not trying to victim shame. Something's just a little off on her story imo.

You and I may see him as unsophisticated, but I betcha anything Josh sees himself as a smooth player, an insider, somebody who knows the real score. I think trying to fuck like a porn star with an actual porn star is all of a piece with the guy who gets on stage with actual presidential candidates and speaks like he's a movement leader who can deliver votes.

[Guest]

Does anyone else think that Josh has been lying about drinking and drug use? I'm not talking about a full-on lost weekend, but even a little would be a lot for him. It could change his personality.

I also don't think DQ and JB have any idea of how hard it is to beat an addiction.

No, according to his OKcupid profile. He lies all the time anyway though, so I'm sure he's had a few drinks or maybe some drug use at a party or something. It wouldn't surprise me.

[JenniferJuniper]

Again, Duggar propositioned her for sex, but she was reluctant due to his rough sexual habits.

Duggar promised to “be more gentle†and to pay the full $1,500, so she agreed. Dillon told the magazine she kept a phone by the bed the second time, just in case if she had to call 911, but Duggar was less physically aggressive, albeit still verbally abusive.

I can only imagine all the naughty words Josh used when verbally abusing her during sex.

[VelociRapture]

I can only imagine all the naughty words Josh used when verbally abusing her during sex.

Goddamn it?!

Defraud me baby?!

That's so Nike?!

You're a Nike girl, aren't you?!

:lol:

[Rachel333]

No, according to his OKcupid profile. He lies all the time anyway though, so I'm sure he's had a few drinks or maybe some drug use at a party or something. It wouldn't surprise me.

I could actually see him being really strict about alcohol/drug use, as a way to convince himself that he's being moral in one area if not in others.

[nokidsmom]

"Protestants" are not one monolithic denomination. They cover a wide spectrum of beliefs, including beliefs about social justice.

As a result, I'm uncomfortable with throwaway generalizations such as "Catholics tend to be more liberal (in a conservative sense) than Protestants."

But, on a more pertinent topic, I would argue that fundies like the Duggars and Kellars know a lot, in an ABSTRACT sense, about STDs--because talking about STDs is one of the ways that they like to demonize premarital sex.

For example, in last year's Cosmopolitan interview, Jessa threw out some totally bullshit stats about how you have a 80% of getting an STD if you have sex outside marriage: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainme ... s/?src=rss

"Jessa: In today's day and time it's a little bit strange to be in your early 20s and have not had sex, but it's how our parents did it. It's how our grandparents did it. We have a self-respect where we feel confident in who we are, even apart from having a sexual relationship. In a monogamous relationship where it's just one man and one woman there's like a zero percent chance of you contracting that type of sexually transmitted disease, but when you're promiscuous and just go out and live like however — having sex with every guy who comes along — then there's a huge chance, a probably 80 percent chance you'll come down with something like that and get something that will really affect you for the rest of your life."

To the bolded: Jessa, dear, I hope now you might have an inkling of what might just be wrong with this assumption given your brother was assumed to be monogamous with his wife until last week.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Lmao I guess I don't really get the utterly repulsed attitude about Josh's (so far, imaginary) dick pics. I'm sure he has a completely average little peepee. I doubt it's either remarkably disgusting or remarkably beautiful. I would actually be a little delighted if a dick pic surfaced, because it's one more thing to reveal what an asshole he is. But at this point, how could anyone prove it was even his? Unless there's a clear view of a family photo or something, a person could put up a generic dick pic and pretend it belonged to him. (Because let's face it, unless you're intimately familiar with the dick in question, they tend to look alike. And somehow I doubt Anna would come out and say 'THAT IS NOT MY HUSBAND'S PENIS')

I've had unsolicited dick picks that were taken from the angle of from the balls towards the face (so you could see the face in the background) or in a mirror with the guy showing just how much he's "pleasuring himself."