It has started- Women come crawling from the woodwork

[Janus]

OK so a Harry Potter derail in the other thread, and a Catholics vs. Christians derail in this thread :/

[RabbitKM]

You clearly don't know about opus dei. They are like the duggars, but scarier. And catholic. There is scary religious extremism in every denomination

The only thing I know about opus dei is from The Da Vinci Code, lol. But I said "can lean more liberal" meaning in general.

[goldfishgoddess]

Josh is just jonesing for a new Playboy channel show starring himself:

19 Whores and Counting

It's all about a nice married Christian guy who purposes himself to fellowship with porn stars and teach them about the forgiveness of Jesus.

[Toothfairy]

It's not just silly, it's ridiculous and insulting and flat out stupid. I am always blown away by people in real life saying things about Catholics. I grew up in a very Catholic area, and It's just super frustrating to hear otherwise reasonable people express anti-Catholic sentiment. Especially self-reported "Christians" who should know better, and are obviously very undereducated about the history of their own church.

these right wing christians just can't accept that there are others different than them. Which is why they go to these poverty stricken countries.

[Maggie Mae]

Josh is just jonesing for a new Playboy channel show starring himself:

19 Whores and Counting

It's all about a nice married Christian guy who purposes himself to fellowship with porn stars and teach them about the forgiveness of Jesus.

I was thinking "19 Cocks and Cuming" or "14 Asses and Anal Again!"

[defraudingjezebel]

I never ina million years expected it to be a porn star. I figured it would be average women. Soccer moms even. I'm so sad for the kids but honestly Anna gets no sympathy from me. She's been a googly eyed airhead, exposed to a "normal" way of life , offered help and yet still stands by Josh.She does not deserve what has happened to her but this dysfunctional relationship shes continuing to show the kids is probably going to make them hate her as theh get older

Doesn't surprise me a bit. Men raised in/who believe in such a patriarchal system usually think that outgroup women are sex objects, impure, hypersexual, and not deserving of the same respect given to ingroup women. Its almost like they mentally don't consider it a true transgression because it was with someone who was undeserving of respect/a sl*t/etc. in the first place. That isn't to say that he and those around him wouldn't consider it sinful, but it could definitely act as a psychological justification to himself in the moment.

[Cats B4 Quivers]

Whose dick do I want to see least, Jim Bob's or Josh's? Geeze, that's a tough one. Not that I think a picture has ever been taken of Jim Bob's tuber, of course, because that would be weird, even for him and Cowbelle.

:pink-shock: :ew: There wouldn't be enough eyebleach to go around when those icky pics make the rounds. In fact, I want a disclaimer way above the pics so I can head immediately to a nice link full of cat gifs.

[Sunshine1491]

Doesn't surprise me a bit. Men raised in/who believe in such a patriarchal system usually think that outgroup women are sex objects, impure, hypersexual, and not deserving of the same respect given to ingroup women. Its almost like they mentally don't consider it a true transgression because it was with someone who was undeserving of respect/a sl*t/etc. in the first place. That isn't to say that he and those around him wouldn't consider it sinful, but it could definitely act as a psychological justification to himself in the moment.

Yeah, this. It's totes not wrong if it's with someone who's going to hell anyway. :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: Josh can just pray the sin away! Divine forgiveness is like a soda machine, pop a prayer in and it dispenses a get out of hell free card!

[ckw]

Lmao I guess I don't really get the utterly repulsed attitude about Josh's (so far, imaginary) dick pics. I'm sure he has a completely average little peepee. I doubt it's either remarkably disgusting or remarkably beautiful. I would actually be a little delighted if a dick pic surfaced, because it's one more thing to reveal what an asshole he is. But at this point, how could anyone prove it was even his? Unless there's a clear view of a family photo or something, a person could put up a generic dick pic and pretend it belonged to him. (Because let's face it, unless you're intimately familiar with the dick in question, they tend to look alike. And somehow I doubt Anna would come out and say 'THAT IS NOT MY HUSBAND'S PENIS')

He has a tattoo on his lower abdominal area that says, Meet Little Josh. And Anna still wouldn't know because she keeps her eyes closed.

[Toothfairy]

I hope she got Josh tested. I wish she announced she was pregnant because smugger is fucking stupid. You never hit it raw.

[LucyLocket]

Looks like little Joshie is off to Christian sex addiction rehab, as per the Daily Mail, with a short statement from the parents.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... nancy.html

[martian]

In Touch has been bang on the money with all their Duggar stories recently, especially since the molestation one, so since In Touch has published not sure why there are people who are still so sceptical?

In this thread, and also a lot around the Internet already people are putting this woman on trial as if she's "most likely lying". OK so she is a porn star and took money for sex. So what? Weigh that against an adulterous hypocritical child molesting confirmed serial bullshitting bigot (Josh). I'm not saying we should jump 100% to one side or another just yet, but I know who I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to in this case!

"If it was so bad why did she go back?"

"She took money!"

"She's a porn star can't be trusted!"

"Lie detector tests are not reliable!"

"Did they even use a PROPER lie detector test?"

"In Touch is not reliable!"

Blah blah blah. Just saying we should wait and see what else comes out before assassinating this woman's character and the proven recent record of In Touch re: Duggar dirt!

Sorry if anyone's offended, but this thread so far to me, didn't read so much as legitimate scepticism, but of well-poisoning designed to dismiss a woman's account of a well-proven sleaze.

Let's wait and see!

I think it's completely sensible to be skeptical of all parties involved in a celebrity scandal and, for my part, it has nothing to do with Danica Dillon's profession. Her story sounds completely plausible to me. Still, I don't know any of these people, and celeb scandals can bring out the opportunists. Scepticism is warranted.

If Josh actually shorted Dillon on her fees by $500 - is it ROL that claims that? - I'd be furious if I were her. That's a gross and shitty thing to do to someone who has no legal recourse. Like stiffing or underpaying an undocumented worker just because their work is done and you can get away with it because the system doesn't exist to protect them from your abuse. If Dillon makes that money back now in spades, I'd just have to call it karma.

[JBsHairspray]

Just chiming in here with my two cents.

In regards to the STDs....how much would Anna or even Josh know about them? I don't think that's a lesson for SOTDRT. If it's only virgins marrying virgins it should never be an issue. Have JBoob and J'chelle even spoken about these things with Josh?

Would Josh even know a condom prevents things besides babeez? Hopefully some of his hook-ups have enlightened him since you seldom see condoms in porn.

If this story about the porn star and Josh is true - and why wouldn't it be? We know from the show that he travelled for his job so it's not like he didn't have opportunity to play away.

I can see him wanting to act out The rough stuff he's seen in film. It's not like he could ask Anna for anything like that. He'd freak her out....

Oh and: "Getting Headship" coming soon to DVD and hotel pay-per-view.

[violynn]

Protestants believe that the way to Heaven and God's mercy is through Jesus. Only through belief and professing that Jesus is the Son of God can a person be 'saved'. That is the anchor of the 'Christian' belief in their eyes.

Catholics, in Protestants eyes, get to God through the clergy, by beseeching Jesus' mother Mary to intercede. It isn't the belief that a direct plea to Jesus is what gets them to heaven, therefore, not Christians.

Again, not my belief necessarily, just how Protestant Christians see Catholics.

[notsocommon]

Here is my question in this whole ordeal.....Does Anna even have enough sex education to even KNOW about possible STDs? Sure, she knows about AIDS, but only teh gheys get that, ammiright!?

I can see her never having learned about other STDs because she and her husband would both be 'pure' and stay faithful, so no need to learn about them.

[quiversR4hunting]

I definitely agree that Catholics are Christian. I am just explaining where the sentiment comes from. I think that Catholics can lean more liberal than some Protestants (esp. those in the Bible belt), for example, Pope Francis's beliefs on evolution and capitalism. I think that also adds to the animosity.

FWIW, I am Catholic (catholic schools and the whole nine yards)

I agree (also went to catholic school). Catholics tend to be more liberal (in a conservative sense) than Protestants. For example Catholics even have a program on social justice justfaith.org/about-us/history-mission/ - When looking at the staff at JustFaith - I noticed there are more qualified counseling people in this ministry than the rehab facility we all think Josh is at (one is a MSW, another has a bachelors in Psychology and another a masters in nursing)!

As another poster stated there is a very conservative sect within the Catholic church but the majority of Catholics are mainstream, short wearing, teenage dating, etc families. Many families only have 3 or 4 children so you know something is going on to keep the family size small. It is part of 'don't ask, don't tell' of the faith. :wink-kitty:

[Rachel333]

Gawker's not buying it: http://gawker.com/did-josh-duggar-reall ... 1726634494

I'm skeptical too, but even knowing nothing about this woman other than what was her interview, I'm much more inclined to believe her word than Josh's, not that I expect him or his family to respond.

[Fundie Bunny]

Protestants believe that the way to Heaven and God's mercy is through Jesus. Only through belief and professing that Jesus is the Son of God can a person be 'saved'. That is the anchor of the 'Christian' belief in their eyes.

Catholics, in Protestants eyes, get to God through the clergy, by beseeching Jesus' mother Mary to intercede. It isn't the belief that a direct plea to Jesus is what gets them to heaven, therefore, not Christians.

Again, not my belief necessarily, just how Protestant Christians see Catholics.

But isn't it the same thing? Both Jesus and Mary are sacred in the catholic faith, and people pray to them to knterceed with god. God is never directly adressed as far as i know. Is that protestants consider jesus to be god himself?

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Protestants believe that the way to Heaven and God's mercy is through Jesus. Only through belief and professing that Jesus is the Son of God can a person be 'saved'. That is the anchor of the 'Christian' belief in their eyes.

Catholics, in Protestants eyes, get to God through the clergy, by beseeching Jesus' mother Mary to intercede. It isn't the belief that a direct plea to Jesus is what gets them to heaven, therefore, not Christians.

Again, not my belief necessarily, just how Protestant Christians see Catholics.

Again, this is not true for all Protestant sects. It's misleading to state that what you have written is "how Protestant Christians see Catholics."

[WickedE]

Maybe if he prepaid. Otherwise would he dine and dash? Buy used and save the difference?

Honestly, it's probably being played up either for or by the tabloid. No one makes money if it's "oh, he was nice, but otherwise unremarkable."

Well right there....Proof this is all JB's fault.

Indoctrinated the kids to buy used and save the difference.....Isn't a prostitute the ultimate buy used scenario? And just think of the savings by not being on M'kid 12 already. It isnt Josh's fault... he merely was confused.

Lurker no more....Cherry popped and so thankful it was for a prostitute.

[quiversR4hunting]

Protestants believe that the way to Heaven and God's mercy is through Jesus. Only through belief and professing that Jesus is the Son of God can a person be 'saved'. That is the anchor of the 'Christian' belief in their eyes.

Catholics, in Protestants eyes, get to God through the clergy, by beseeching Jesus' mother Mary to intercede. It isn't the belief that a direct plea to Jesus is what gets them to heaven, therefore, not Christians.

Again, not my belief necessarily, just how Protestant Christians see Catholics.

Which is super ironic for the Gothard/Doug (), followers because they teach "headship" and transfer of authority bull and the duggar kids must confess their sins to the parents (no different than a priest but a priest is bound to keep it private and won't beat you with plumbing line)

Some protestants having a conniption about intercession drives me crazy. Evangelicals and fundies ask people to intercede (pray for) for them all the freaking time! - "pray for an RV" "Pray for josh" "pray that our bald tires don't blow as they leave strips of rubber on the road", etc ad nauseam. After all intercessory prayer is the act of praying on behalf of others. They just don't get it :angry-banghead:

I have to laugh (otherwise I would cry) at the fundies that say I worship read the KJV because we didn't add any books to the bible. I want to say: "You dumbass, you are right the KJV didn't ADD any books, it TOOK AWAY books from the original Bible." :angry-banghead:

[HereticHick]

"Protestants" are not one monolithic denomination. They cover a wide spectrum of beliefs, including beliefs about social justice.

As a result, I'm uncomfortable with throwaway generalizations such as "Catholics tend to be more liberal (in a conservative sense) than Protestants."

But, on a more pertinent topic, I would argue that fundies like the Duggars and Kellars know a lot, in an ABSTRACT sense, about STDs--because talking about STDs is one of the ways that they like to demonize premarital sex.

For example, in last year's Cosmopolitan interview, Jessa threw out some totally bullshit stats about how you have a 80% of getting an STD if you have sex outside marriage: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainme ... s/?src=rss

"Jessa: In today's day and time it's a little bit strange to be in your early 20s and have not had sex, but it's how our parents did it. It's how our grandparents did it. We have a self-respect where we feel confident in who we are, even apart from having a sexual relationship. In a monogamous relationship where it's just one man and one woman there's like a zero percent chance of you contracting that type of sexually transmitted disease, but when you're promiscuous and just go out and live like however — having sex with every guy who comes along — then there's a huge chance, a probably 80 percent chance you'll come down with something like that and get something that will really affect you for the rest of your life."

[Exposedknees]

I've read and reread this thread. I just can't wrap my head around "Rough Sex Josh." I would assume a professional has ways of handling/facilitating a sexual experience, and that the professional would drive the interaction. It seems to me that Ms. Dillon would have a lot more experience in sexual situations than Josh and be able to handle him.

I think she may be riding the publicity train here. Maybe they had sex, who knows? I feel sure he did with professionals, but a porn star..? I'm dubious.

Josh seems more sneaky and passive aggressive than this...It doesn't add up for me. :think:

[quiversR4hunting]

But isn't it the same thing? Both Jesus and Mary are sacred in the catholic faith, and people pray to them to knterceed with god. God is never directly adressed as far as i know. Is that protestants consider jesus to be god himself?

Catholics pray to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. We view it as one- the trinity. So Catholics do directly go to God. They will pray that Mary and Saints intercede on their behalf in some cases/prayers. Catholics do hold Mary as holy because she birthed the living God. She bore the pain to make God human.

"Protestants" are not one monolithic denomination. They cover a wide spectrum of beliefs, including beliefs about social justice.

As a result, I'm uncomfortable with throwaway generalizations such as "Catholics tend to be more liberal (in a conservative sense) than Protestants."

"

quite true. Protestants encompass a vast number of different dogmas. Mainstream Catholics tend to be more liberal than the fundy-lite/fundy Protestants- across denominations. (Mainstream) Catholics are definitely more liberal than Gothard/Doug( ) followers.

[Rachel333]

Which is super ironic for the Gothard/Doug (), followers because they teach "headship" and transfer of authority bull and the duggar kids must confess their sins to the parents (no different than a priest but a priest is bound to keep it private and won't beat you with plumbing line)

Some protestants having a conniption about intercession drives me crazy. Evangelicals and fundies ask people to intercede (pray for) for them all the freaking time! - "pray for an RV" "Pray for josh" "pray that our bald tires don't blow as they leave strips of rubber on the road", etc ad nauseam. After all intercessory prayer is the act of praying on behalf of others. They just don't get it :angry-banghead:

I have to laugh (otherwise I would cry) at the fundies that say I worshipread the KJV because we didn't add any books to the bible. I want to say: "You dumbass, you are right the KJV didn't ADD any books, it TOOK AWAY books from the original Bible." :angry-banghead:

I agree that Catholics didn't add any books to the Bible, and it frustrates me when people say they did. From what I understand, though, the Biblical apocrypha are books that were found in the Greek Old Testament but not the Hebrew, so if you go that far back they weren't really part of the original Bible.

When I first learned how the Christian Bible was put together it really troubled me because it seemed so arbitrary which books were kept and which weren't. It was kind of a shock when I learned that the New Testament didn't just come from God in its entirety like I had pictured but was decided on by a group of men several hundred years after Jesus died.