It has started- Women come crawling from the woodwork

[Cleopatra7]

I just found this incredibly funny. You managed to make me snort-laugh. It's so short, but oh-so true.

Actually, I think that it would probably be easier for Josh to justify his actions if the women he was with were outsiders in some way (e.g., non-conservative, non-ATI, not white), because he could say that these evil "sluts" were trying to lead him astray. If he had an affair with another ATI wife, that would br much more scandalous (at least from the Duggar perspective), because the woman in question is "one of them" and should be completely off limits. This was the view that existed in the West until relatively recently, that it was okay to fool around with prostitutes, but "respectable women should be left alone. Indeed, even Augustine of Hippo believed that legalized prostitution was needed to protect "respectable women" from randy young men.

[Arrowoftruth]

I never ina million years expected it to be a porn star. I figured it would be average women. Soccer moms even. I'm so sad for the kids but honestly Anna gets no sympathy from me. She's been a googly eyed airhead, exposed to a "normal" way of life , offered help and yet still stands by Josh.She does not deserve what has happened to her but this dysfunctional relationship shes continuing to show the kids is probably going to make them hate her as theh get older

[saguarosally]

In one of the articles (I think it was Radar?) I read that it actually was the first time that Josh was creepy and rough. The second time he promised to be gentler, which he was, so she went along, but she had a phone right beside the bed incase she needed to call 911. She seems to put a lot of trust in him if she was scared the first time and the second time she just took his word for it when he promised to behave.

For the right price? Maybe he paid well for the experience.

[JenniferJuniper]

Catholics are Christians, they're just not Protestant Christians. But yeah, fundies seem to hate them a lot of time, and it seems largely based in their use of religious rituals and reverence for the Virgin Mary.

The Duggars - and Ben and Derick - do not believe they are Christian.

Ben's anti-Catholic facebook rants are pretty legendary.

[mebeforee]

Yeah, I just think the way you phrased it made it seem like you were staring it as fact rather than as fundie prejudice

[RabbitKM]

Funny. Where I come from, we classify all who believe in Jesus as Christians.

Where are you from? In the US, Protestants have been/still are anti-Catholic. Historically, when the Irish and Italians immigrated here, they were looked down upon because of their Catholicism. John F Kennedy being Catholic was a big deal. Now, technically, Catholics are Christian, but many Protestants don't see it that way. Look no further than Ben's social media.

[laundry]

For the right price? Maybe he paid well for the experience.

Yes, I doubt she would repeat, after her description of the first time, if he wasn't willing to pay good. Turns out he was.

[Cartmann99]

Funny. Where I come from, we classify all who believe in Jesus as Christians.

Yeah, the fighting over which "flavor" of Christianity is real is just sad. Here in Texas, Governor Abbott recently stepped right in the middle of that fight by posting something positive about the Virgin Mary.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/jesus-fight-furious-fundies-flood-texas-governors-facebook-page-over-virgin-mary-idolatry/

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Where are you from? In the US, Protestants have been/still are anti-Catholic. Historically, when the Irish and Italians immigrated here, they were looked down upon because of their Catholicism. John F Kennedy being Catholic was a big deal. Now, technically, Catholics are Christian, but many Protestants don't see it that way. Look no further than Ben's social media.

Definitely not all Protestants. Some sects, particularly some of the more conservative Baptists (to my knowledge), are anti-Catholic. I was raised in the mainstream Methodist tradition, in a majority Catholic community, and I experienced no animosity from either side. I'm pretty sure both priests and pastors were welcomed on the community ecumenical council.

[Sherryburger]

The Duggars - and Ben and Derick - do not believe they are Christian.

Ben's anti-Catholic facebook rants are pretty legendary.

And of course, all Protestant churches are descended from the Roman Catholic church--hence the name. They "protested" against some of the teachings of the Catholic church, and formed their own denominations. And then THOSE denominations had their own schisms and divided even further.

[RabbitKM]

Definitely not all Protestants. Some sects, particularly some of the more conservative Baptists (to my knowledge), are anti-Catholic. I was raised in the mainstream Methodist tradition, in a majority Catholic community, and I experienced no animosity from either side. I'm pretty sure both priests and pastors were welcomed on the community ecumenical council.

Yes of course, I should have wrote some Protestants not all Protestants. And it definitely varies by geographical location. I grew up in CA, and I don't think there is as much animosity between the two groups there as there is in other places.

[Marissap]

19 Positions and Counting :lol:

Also...DugFan asked:

Or...maybe an atheist? :pink-shock:

I'll be shocked if he was with anyone that was OUTWARDLY different from him. He could just pretend otherwise.

[Janus]

In Touch has been bang on the money with all their Duggar stories recently, especially since the molestation one, so since In Touch has published not sure why there are people who are still so sceptical?

In this thread, and also a lot around the Internet already people are putting this woman on trial as if she's "most likely lying". OK so she is a porn star and took money for sex. So what? Weigh that against an adulterous hypocritical child molesting confirmed serial bullshitting bigot (Josh). I'm not saying we should jump 100% to one side or another just yet, but I know who I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to in this case!

"If it was so bad why did she go back?"

"She took money!"

"She's a porn star can't be trusted!"

"Lie detector tests are not reliable!"

"Did they even use a PROPER lie detector test?"

"In Touch is not reliable!"

Blah blah blah. Just saying we should wait and see what else comes out before assassinating this woman's character and the proven recent record of In Touch re: Duggar dirt!

Sorry if anyone's offended, but this thread so far to me, didn't read so much as legitimate scepticism, but of well-poisoning designed to dismiss a woman's account of a well-proven sleaze.

Let's wait and see!

[singsingsing]

Uh, maybe because InTouch remains a tabloid, and it's true that lie detector tests are unreliable? I also haven't seen anyone trying to demonized this lady because she's a porn star. I think people want to be cautious and not believe everything a tabloid prints, which is a good thing. Someone up thread mentioned they didn't think we'd be doubting this woman's word as much if she were a school teacher vs a porn star. WTF? I'd doubt her exactly as much as I do now. I have no reason to write her off and conclude that she's lying, but I also have no reason to believe her every word. She's a stranger giving dirt to a tabloid. Skepticism is a healthy thing, you know.

[Sherryburger]

Yes of course, I should have wrote some Protestants not all Protestants. And it definitely varies by geographical location. I grew up in CA, and I don't think there is as much animosity between the two groups there as there is in other places.

Yes, it's certainly worse down here in the Bible Belt. I was raised Catholic, and our children were raised Methodist (husband's religion), but one summer I allowed my daughters to attend a Southern Baptist church camp, the biggest one in Oklahoma. They brought home a bunch of literature, including some anti-Catholic "Chick Tracts". "Chick Tracts" also publish anti-Jewish literature. They are done in a crude comic book form, and besides denouncing other religions they do it in a very vulgar way. The person who was in charge of the church camp at the time is now one of our U.S. senators. I have a lovely photo of him and Josh together, taken just before all hell broke loose this spring.

[HarleyQuinn]

Oh crap, now she did confirm it. It wasn't like this went I posted this morning! lol

brb, have to eat some crow, I guess.

[LogansMom]

Where are you from? In the US, Protestants have been/still are anti-Catholic. Historically, when the Irish and Italians immigrated here, they were looked down upon because of their Catholicism. John F Kennedy being Catholic was a big deal. Now, technically, Catholics are Christian, but many Protestants don't see it that way. Look no further than Ben's social media.

I'm, what you would call an Atheist. But I was raised non religiously in a predominantly muslim neighborhood. That is why I usually consider all who believe in Jesus to be Christians.

[Maggie Mae]

I'm, what you would call an Atheist. But I was raised non religiously in a predominantly muslim neighborhood. That is why I usually consider all who believe in Jesus to be Christians.

It's in the damn definition of the word. Christian means "follower of Christ" or "believes in Jesus Christ" By definition of the word, Catholics (who believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God) are Christian. It's only certain brands of Protestant Christians who seem to think that what words mean don't matter.

[Fundie Bunny]

I'm, what you would call an Atheist. But I was raised non religiously in a predominantly muslim neighborhood. That is why I usually consider all who believe in Jesus to be Christians.

I am an atheist raised catholic. Pretty much everyone that uses the bible is considered a christian.

[LogansMom]

It's in the damn definition of the word. Christian means "follower of Christ" or "believes in Jesus Christ" By definition of the word, Catholics (who believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God) are Christian. It's only certain brands of Protestant Christians who seem to think that what words mean don't matter.

It seems pretty darn silly that Jill would go on a Mission to convert Catholics. It's so weird to me that they are so concerned how other people interpret the same Bible they read. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Duggars reading just the English translation of an ancient text that has been edited and translated over and over again by some (gasp!) Catholic monks? So silly.

[Mia]

The comments on the twitter message of InTouchWeekly on their report of Danica Dillon are something else.

People wish the worst things upon Josh because he "tossed her around like a rag doll".

Well tell you what, I honestly have no respect for people like Danica Dillon.

She is a stripper and an adult movie actress, even if she has to support a kid and aint a movie star, she will sure make enough money to support herself. She slept with Josh for 1.500 USD. Wow yeah, thats an effin fortune! While I do have respect for prostitutes and adult movie stars (cause why not, it's just a job afterall), whoring yourself out for 1.500 USD, being "terrified" but doing it again is just ridiculous. I call bullshit.

And if - for some reason - this isn't bullshit, then Miss Dillon is dumb as a brick for sleeping a second time with him and shouldnt be given a well-paid platform now as a punishment for her tremendous stupidity.

Also, what is this? People are going mad at Josh Duggar for cheating on his wife, but when the story of the molestation broke everything was just a bad mistake?

The Duggars aside - the molestation and the cheating story are a perfect example for how fucked up some peoples views are.

And I do love me some of the posts of people on facebook and twitter who tell Anna to get a Camera installed because Josh is a danger to the kids....and not for the molestation story...but because he is a porn addict. Man...

[RabbitKM]

I am an atheist raised catholic. Pretty much everyone that uses the bible is considered a christian.

I definitely agree that Catholics are Christian. I am just explaining where the sentiment comes from. I think that Catholics can lean more liberal than some Protestants (esp. those in the Bible belt), for example, Pope Francis's beliefs on evolution and capitalism. I think that also adds to the animosity.

FWIW, I am Catholic (catholic schools and the whole nine yards)

[Ralar]

Danica Does Duggar :lol:

Deeper, Duggar, Deeper!

[Fundie Bunny]

I definitely agree that Catholics are Christian. I am just explaining where the sentiment comes from. I think that Catholics can lean more liberal than some Protestants (esp. those in the Bible belt), for example, Pope Francis's beliefs on evolution and capitalism. I think that also adds to the animosity.

FWIW, I am Catholic (catholic schools and the whole nine yards)

You clearly don't know about opus dei. They are like the duggars, but scarier. And catholic. There is scary religious extremism in every denomination

[Maggie Mae]

It seems pretty darn silly that Jill would go on a Mission to convert Catholics. It's so weird to me that they are so concerned how other people interpret the same Bible they read. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Duggars reading just the English translation of an ancient text that has been edited and translated over and over again by some (gasp!) Catholic monks? So silly.

It's not just silly, it's ridiculous and insulting and flat out stupid. I am always blown away by people in real life saying things about Catholics. I grew up in a very Catholic area, and It's just super frustrating to hear otherwise reasonable people express anti-Catholic sentiment. Especially self-reported "Christians" who should know better, and are obviously very undereducated about the history of their own church.