I think some of the Duggar kids WILL leave sooner or later

[NoShoesSuze]

I wonder about the three oldest boys' relationship with Josh too. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Josiah seemed to kind of idolize Josh when he was a kid, but then when he grew older they were never together. He's one I can see being furious at Josh because he was probably too young to understand the molesting going on and we all know none of them saw Joshleygate coming.

JD has no personality , he's hard to read. He probably just shows up at the TTH to eat, then leaves again.

Joe also doesn't have much of a personality, other than he seems to be very close with Jinger. So Maybe he's angry over the rehashing of Josh's molestation because of her? I don't know.

RE: bold

I think that they seem to have no personality due to the cameras. In pictures with friends or in the background of filming, they are more animated/happy-looking. :shrug: I would be stiff/boring too if I lived my life on camera, just from being uncomfortable.

[HarleyQuinn]

RE: bold

I think that they seem to have no personality due to the cameras. In pictures with friends or in the background of filming, they are more animated/happy-looking. :shrug: I would be stiff/boring too if I lived my life on camera, just from being uncomfortable.

That's what I was referring to. I could've sworn I threw the word "seems" in there, but apparently I didn't. He doesn't seem to have much of a personality. He and JD were like the fundie Beavis and Butthead for awhile.

[Exposedknees]

Josh has checked into rehab voluntarily. There is no mental health hold, he was not committed. He can just walk out if he wants. Is this the Duggar kid that leaves? :stir-pot:

[imokit]

Josh has checked into rehab voluntarily. There is no mental health hold, he was not committed. He can just walk out if he wants. Is this the Duggar kid that leaves? :stir-pot:

If he leaves then mummy and daddy will properly kick him out until he repents. If he wants any money and any help paying for those 4 kids of his, then he'll suck it up, do what daddy says (and get better at hiding the naughty stuff which I suspect he'll continue to do).

Repent and get publically forgiven (not necessarily privately,but officially and possibly to a small extent financially). Or walk and get kicked out of the bank of mum and dad.

That said, Josh is currently the most likely to leave, as he's the one who obviously doesn't want that life. Others may in the process of drifting (John, Joe - possibly even Jill being slowly pulled by Derrick), but none of the older kids seem to be likely to be making a scene over it.

For a proper public leaving, it seems to be Josh, or a howler or lost girl (unless Joy surprises us the second she turns 18).

Josh is also worldly enough to realise that leaving and then being the first Duggar to write (or have ghost written) a tell all, would be very lucrative in terms of getting him some money daddy doesn't control especially in the unskilled no TV show, limited job prospects future he is aware he is currently facing.

Also to play devils advocate - is there any objective signs of genuine mental health issues deserving of a mental health hold. Looking at a bit of porn, rough sex and cheating are not mental health issues in the real world. :whistle:

[hollywood]

I get the impression none of the siblings are close with Josh too... except for Jessa for some reason, probably because of their matching personalities.

[Hot Dog Fingers]

Josh has checked into rehab voluntarily. There is no mental health hold, he was not committed. He can just walk out if he wants. Is this the Duggar kid that leaves? :stir-pot:

He may have checked in 'voluntarily', but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a lot of pressure behind the scenes from JimBob. Boob probably set it all up for him and Josh had no excuse to get out of it. I don't see him choosing this route on his own free will and I don't think he would leave the rehab either. But we shall see!

[Exposedknees]

He may have checked in 'voluntarily', but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a lot of pressure behind the scenes from JimBob. Boob probably set it all up for him and Josh had no excuse to get out of it. I don't see him choosing this route on his own free will and I don't think he would leave the rehab either. But we shall see!

[Deist woman]

Question to anyone, really. Has the Duggar family rep been so damaged that no one will want to buy their "product"? Have the sex scandals that have come out so far, made their children too questionable in their indoctrination to be desirable as Godly husbands and virtuous helpmeets? Maybe it is more than just having to leave the family in order to get a job. Maybe they will have to break with the family in order to be considered as possible marriage material.

[Cleopatra7]

Question to anyone, really. Has the Duggar family rep been so damaged that no one will want to buy their "product"? Have the sex scandals that have come out so far, made their children too questionable in their indoctrination to be desirable as Godly husbands and virtuous helpmeets? Maybe it is more than just having to leave the family in order to get a job. Maybe they will have to break with the family in order to be considered as possible marriage material.

I think that the Duggar "brand" has been irreparably damaged among the moderate Christians they relied on for mainstream popularity and credibility. However, I think there are probably many Gothardites and IFBers who would welcome a Duggar son or daughter as an in-law, so long as the kidult in question has a spotless reputation. A Duggar daughter with a "bad reputation" would be ruined for life, but a non-Josh Duggar boy with some problems could probably still find a wife. Remember that Doug Wilson married a convicted child molester off to some naive girl to show the world that Jesus could fix anyone. I think that sort of thing probably happens more often in these communities than we think. :ew: :shifty-kitty:

[MistofRain752]

Does anyone else think that possibly Anna said either you go for treatment or I go?

[JenniferJuniper]

Does anyone else think that possibly Anna said either you go for treatment or I go?

I think the general consensus is this is Jim Bob's doing.

He's not really going for treatment. It's a Bible work camp only.

And I doubt Anna has any say in anything.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

I get the impression none of the siblings are close with Josh too... except for Jessa for some reason, probably because of their matching personalities.

I never saw Jessa as being close to Josh. I don't really see her as being close with any of her siblings except Jinger.

[DuggaredOut]

^Agreed. I don't think she defends him because she's close to him. I think she defends him because she'd defend anyone in her family who was being "persecuted" by the unchurched heathens.

[HWest]

I think Josh checked out of Fundie life long ago. Unfortunately his livelihood depended on the world believing that he was a devoted follower of the Duggar family belief system. For him it has been a problem of how to conceal that he desires a main stream lifestyle versus flying the Duggar freak flag. None of the kids have any education or job skills. Participating in a reality TV show and making speeches for a Washington PAC group is a very nice way to make a living versus farm work, construction, fast food server, ditch digging or running a used car business.

So Josh just honed his sneakiness skills to live the life he really wants while reaping the gravy and all the other trappings from being a Reality TV Star.

Too bad Anna and the kids are the victims of his inability to just take a stand, leave and figure out a way to survive outside of Fundie society.

[SassyPants]

I think Josh checked out of Fundie life long ago. Unfortunately his livelihood depended on the world believing that he was a devoted follower of the Duggar family belief system. For him it has been a problem of how to conceal that he desires a main stream lifestyle versus flying the Duggar freak flag. None of the kids have any education or job skills. Participating in a reality TV show and making speeches for a Washington PAC group is a very nice way to make a living versus farm work, construction, fast food server, ditch digging or running a used car business.

So Josh just honed his sneakiness skills to live the life he really wants while reaping the gravy and all the other trappings from being a Reality TV Star.

Too bad Anna and the kids are the victims of his inability to just take a stand, leave and figure out a way to survive outside of Fundie society.

And this is why I think the exposure of Josh's deeds is a good thing all around. The dam is starting to break. It appears that Josh and JD are both questioning their parents' and Gothard's beliefs. Some of the other unmarried adults might also be questioning. They ALL need to be able to question and decide for themselves. The cancellation of the show makes this all possible, if not flat out necessary. Josh/Anna, Jill/Derick and Jessa/Ben all need to figure out how to support a family without an easy TLC or FRC paycheck. It's going to require questioning and some critical thinking.

[HWest]

I agree with everything you said SassyPants. The problem with the Duggars is that even when things go terribly wrong they always manage to rationalize, Friends and family have taken a few hits this year. For example if you follow all of the Fundie rules you will have a wonderful home birth. This is what Jill thought but she had some complications and a very difficult delivery holding out on getting herself to a hospital. Friend Erin Bate is Fundie by the book but she had major fertility issues and high risk pregnancy. So clearly even when you follow all of the rules things don't always turn out as you told they will turn out. Instead of thinking maybe I should look at this again they all seem to dig in deeper. It's very vicious.

But I have hope for them since their major source of money has been cut off. They will now need to face reality. My sister is married to one of 17 and everyone in his family escaped. Reason for escape was they grew up dirt poor and all had to work and contribute to household income (lawn care, baby sitting paper routes). In fact, they bolted from their living situation in small groups helping each other along the way. Among them are a pediatrician, attorney, CPA, police captain, small business owners (catering company) and career military. It's a really triumphant story.

[Hera]

M & JB pay the phone bills and have disabled the internet on them.

The thought of a parent child proofing a 25 year olds' iPhone is something my mind won't even try to comprehend. JD has a job, a house and spends time alone. Why not get his own phone?

[Sundaymorning]

The thought of a parent child proofing a 25 year olds' iPhone is something my mind won't even try to comprehend. JD has a job, a house and spends time alone. Why not get his own phone?

If the kids can go into town without their parents, Boob can ban the internet from the TTH until the cows come home. Most restaurants and even stores offer free wlan nowdays, and if they only have a flip-phone, they can use a computer at an internet cafe or a library.

[lawlifelgbt]

If the kids can go into town without their parents, Boob can ban the internet from the TTH until the cows come home. Most restaurants and even stores offer free wlan nowdays, and if they only have a flip-phone, they can use a computer at an internet cafe or a library.

But they don't go anywhere alone? Except maybe JD.

[JenniferJuniper]

The thought of a parent child proofing a 25 year olds' iPhone is something my mind won't even try to comprehend. JD has a job, a house and spends time alone. Why not get his own phone?

Meh. Daddy Arndt only allows his 35 year old son watch G-rated movies. Duggars can't touch that.

JD is sitting pretty. He works hard and stays quiet and I suspect, while probably nothing along the lines of his brother, he's seen his fair share of porn.

The Duggars as portrayed on 19 Kids are a myth. The show and the simple fact that Jim Bob and Michelle have far too many kids to control have turned the family into a fame-lite, Arkansanian version of the Kardashians with messier sex scandals. Once they finally fade into obscurity (and it's going to be sooner rather than later, IMO) the kids will all eventually drift into something that resembles normalcy. No need to keep up the farce any longer.

The Duggars were damaged and dysfunctional even before the show. Now that it's gone and once Josh is just an icky memory for the rest of the world, maybe they can see things more clearly and try to pick up some of the broken pieces. And even if Jim Bob and Michelle cannot do this, I suspect most if not all of the kids will end up having pretty normal, non-Gothardish lives. In a weird way, they can probably thank big brother for exposing the truth about the fraud.

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

I never saw Jessa as being close to Josh. I don't really see her as being close with any of her siblings except Jinger.

[CorruptionInc.]

I think the general consensus is this is Jim Bob's doing.

He's not really going for treatment. It's a Bible work camp only.

And I doubt Anna has any say in anything.

What gets me is literally starving these men of their addictions makes them think that they will be cured. It's like denying a Dog food, eventually it will rebel and attack you in a nasty way. Josh is going to want to do all these bad things more than ever now.

Nice work Duggar Family - you really are dickheads.

[Sundaymorning]

But they don't go anywhere alone? Except maybe JD.

The kids, at least the boys, will have to get jobs sooner or later. JD already has a plane, Joe is away in college and I don't think Boob is rich enough to pay for all the boys forever. With having a job comes independence, I don't think they can always send an "accountability partner" with them.

And even if they do, if the "accountability partners" cover for each other, they can basically do anything they want. With so many kids still at home, there is no way that Boob&J'Chelle can controll all of them all of the time.

And yes, Boob&J'Chelle might have tried to brainwash the kids that they should always tattle, but that might not have worked with all of them so well.

[imokit]

And yes, Boob&J'Chelle might have tried to brainwash the kids that they should always tattle, but that might not have worked with all of them so well.

I agree, the fact that the older girls (and possibly Josh/JD - can't remember) identified Jill as the tattler implies that even amongst the older kids, collusion was happening and tattling to parents wasn't consistent. The younger kids have even less of a relationship with the parents than the older ones.

I would be :pink-shock: if all the kids were telling on their siblings all the time. Some might be, some might be inconsistent about telling, but I'm sure there are those who are deliberately looking in the wrong direction :wink-penguin:

[missegeno]

I think that was Josh's toast to Jerrick at Jill's wedding.