Free Anna Duggar and the M Kids - Part 2 - Merge

[anon710]

Her parents still live in the trailer with two of Anna's brothers. Five adults and four very young kids would probably add to the stress of the situation.

Still, if true, I'm surprised Anna left her kids behind. I'm not judging, she needs a break, but she must be in a really bad place. Or her parents are insisting she see them so they can reinforce the Duggars' message of staying the course with that pig she calls a husband.

yes, to all of this, but especially the bolded.

more indoctrination.

[EmCatlyn]

Re: Anna visiting her parents:

Someone on either the Joshley thread or the general Duggar thread has suggested that Anna may not be in Florida but in some motel near where Josh's rehab is, so she can visit him. This idea comes from the wording of the report (she is with her mother, instead of with her parents) and the mention that she is going through rehab "with" Josh.

I had been wondering if maybe Josh was in rehab in Florida and Anna had gone down to stay with her family to be near him, but the motel idea makes sense too, especially since the Keller home seems crowded.

So here is an unpleasant thought: Josh may have reached the stage in rehab when family is brought in. Anna and Josh may be getting "counseling" for "their" problems, with Josh getting to express what he needs from her and how he feels, etc. And (sorry guys) if this is happening I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of conjugal visiting is happening also. (Maybe M5 will come sooner than we were thinking.)

The kids may have been left behind because Anna needs to give all her attention to her husband. The husband/father counts more than the needs of the kids.

As I said before, I hope the kids don't miss their mom too much. If it is only fo a week or so, they''ll probably be ok, but longer than that... As you all say, this must be difficult for the little ones.

(Edited to fix typos and add a thought.)

[CorruptionInc.]

Except for the nurturing love that only a mother can give her child, I doubt staying with her mom will be very helpful for Anna. My money's on Mrs. Keller telling her daughter that she needs to stay with Josh, remain submissive, be loving and forgiving...basically the same spiel she's been getting in Duggarland.

With a nice "after all, it's your fault he cheated!" thrown in at the end. :angry-banghead:

[devoe364]

Re: Anna visiting her parents:

Someone on either the Joshley thread or the general Duggar thread has suggested that Anna may not be in Florida but in some motel near where Josh's rehab is, so she can visit him. This idea comes from the wording of the report (she is with her mother, instead of with her parents) and the mention that she is going through rehab "with" Josh.

I had been wondering if maybe Josh was in rehab in Florida and Anna had gone down to stay with her family to be near him, but the motel idea makes sense too, especially since the Keller home seems crowded.

So here is an unpleasant thought: Josh may have reached the stage in rehab when family is brought in. Anna and Josh may be getting "counseling" for "their" problems, with Josh getting to express what he needs from her and how he feels, etc. And (sorry guys) if this is happening I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of conjugal visiting is happening also. (Maybe M5 will come sooner than we were thinking.)

The kids may have been left behind because Anna needs to give all her attention to her husband. The husband/father counts more than the needs of the kids.

As I said before, I hope the kids don't miss their mom too much. If it is only fo a week or so, they''ll probably be ok, but longer than that... As you all say, this must be difficult for the little ones.

(Edited to fix typos and add a thought.)

Sadly, I agree with all of the above. As J is likely is some kind of fundie rehab, I would assume that conjugal counselling and of course visits are part of that. The only thing that would prevent this is that they have to wait 80 days after the birth of a daughter in order to have sex.

Is Meredith 80 days old yet? No - a quick count shows 67 - so 13 more days to go. Unless there are exemptions to Biblical rules because of addiction?

[St.Clara]

Sadly, I agree with all of the above. As J is likely is some kind of fundie rehab, I would assume that conjugal counselling and of course visits are part of that. The only thing that would prevent this is that they have to wait 80 days after the birth of a daughter in order to have sex.

Is Meredith 80 days old yet? No - a quick count shows 67 - so 13 more days to go. Unless there are exemptions to Biblical rules because of addiction?

According to Michelle, the 40/80-days-rule is not a hard and fast rule but simply "what works for their marriage". It does seem, though, that she said that just to please the more mainstream public and that in Gothardism it is, in fact, a rule. On the other hand, considering that in Gothardism the wishes and needs of the family headships seem usually much more important than rules (correct me if I´m wrong), I´d suppose that they could make an exception, in order to, you know, defeat Satan and all that...*

But that is just a guess, and I may be completely wrong. (Hopefully, in the present case.)

*Edited to add: That seems even more probable as it is usually the headships who make the decisions. As I understand it - and this fits exactly with how Michelle worded it - it is like that: if Josh asks Anna to have sex with him, no matter when, she is bound to obey. Maybe he will have to answer God later for his decisions (true, he does not seem overly scared by the prospect), but no matter if he is right or wrong, Anna must obey.

[nokidsmom]

Except for the nurturing love that only a mother can give her child, I doubt staying with her mom will be very helpful for Anna. My money's on Mrs. Keller telling her daughter that she needs to stay with Josh, remain submissive, be loving and forgiving...basically the same spiel she's been getting in Duggarland.

Regardless of the messed up beliefs and the fact that her father gave her over to a cheater and a child molester, Anna's parents are still her parents and probably want to see her after all she's been through in recent months. And she wants to see them. They may not have even seen the baby yet, so I am guessing that's part of the reason for her visit as well. Assuming it's true she's down there, of course.

As far as this visit helping Anna, it may help only as far as she gets to see her parents and gets some comfort from them. I don't think it will make a lick of difference in whether she stays with Josh or not, we know where her parents stand and it's the same as her in-laws.

If there's one place where JB would feel comfortable in allowing Anna go to, it would be her parents' home.

[silverspoons]

On p. 9 of the Duggar Aviation Thread, there's news of a JB and a Duggar kid sighting at Epcot. None of the Duggar planes has flown to Florida recently, but they'd likely have flown commercial or driven to FL, since the Duggar planes couldn't transport Anna, Meredith, JB, and a Duggar kid (looks like Kynzie and Michael were in Arkansas for the Krispy Kreme pirate dress up today, per Jill's Instagram).

I hate to think this but could Mac and Michael have been left behind so in case Anna decided to leave it would be harder. If 2 of her kids are back in Arkansas , she would have to return to get them and Jim Bob would have a chance to talk her out of it.

[JMO]

Honestly, the fact that she is encouraged to never say no to sex is the twist in the knife for me. She isn't allowed to fully blame him, she is encouraged to see what she could have/should have done to be a better helpmeet, and finally, she isn't even allowed to decide when she feels ready to be intimate, if ever. She is encouraged to help fulfill his desires, especially since he needs to learn how to rightously fulfill them and not turn to porn and other women. What a guilt loaded bag of poo. (And why isn't there a poop icon?)

[Sunshine1491]

I hate to think this but could Mac and Michael have been left behind so in case Anna decided to leave it would be harder. If 2 of her kids are back in Arkansas , she would have to return to get them and Jim Bob would have a chance to talk her out of it.

I was thinking the same thing, but I have a low and suspicious mind. If she's even considering leaving, she'd have to first convince her parents and JB that she's staying before she can pick up the rest of her kids and hightail it to her brother's house. Or wherever she feels safe and secluded enough to figure out what she wants without being beat over the head with religion.

[nokidsmom]

I was thinking the same thing, but I have a low and suspicious mind. If she's even considering leaving, she'd have to first convince her parents and JB that she's staying before she can pick up the rest of her kids and hightail it to her brother's house. Or wherever she feels safe and secluded enough to figure out what she wants without being beat over the head with religion.

If JB suspected she wanted to leave I highly doubt he would allow her to leave the TTH to go anywhere. I don't think that the oldest two kids were left in AR in order to ensure she came back, it was probably the logistics of having all four kids, one of them a very young infant, and an adult staying in her parent's trailer home in addition to the four people already there. Could be a bit chaotic and I imagine more chaos is the last thing Anna needs right now.

I don't think she's devious enough to do this, but one way would be for her to play along with everyone - inlaws, parents, even Josh while quietly sorting out her options, then make a move. If her brother is going to help her then he needs to be trusted not to give it away and considering his public post about how he feels about his brother in law, well, not so sure about that.

[EmCatlyn]

I hate to think this but could Mac and Michael have been left behind so in case Anna decided to leave it would be harder. If 2 of her kids are back in Arkansas , she would have to return to get them and Jim Bob would have a chance to talk her out of it.

I wouldn't put it past him, but in this case I don't think it is necessary.

Anna doesn't want to break up with Josh. She is praying that rehab will fix him. She is praying for God's help to become a better wife and helpmeet. She may ask her mom for help and guidance with her "heart" and maybe for practical advice (aka bedroom advice) also.

Why do so many of us keep fantasizing that Anna would want to "escape"? If she was tempted at all, it would have been in the early days, when her brother offered to come get her. By now she has had time to be numbed to the pain, to be persuaded by parents, inlaws, pastor etc. that she will be doing the Godly thing by staying and being there for Josh.

There may come a point, after Josh fails her again, when she will have had enough. But that point isn't yet. Whether she is visiting her parents for support and distraction or whether her mother is accompanying her while she visits Josh, Anna is not going to "give up on" her marriage and go against what she was taught all her life just yet.

:(

[MoonFace]

It could be that the kids that are staying at the TTH are just so used to being with the mother/aunts there and all the littles that they may not be all that uncomfortable. I'm sure that they have had mother/aunts stay with them whenever their parents went on speaking engagements.

And lets face it, with the chaos that seems to be the norm there that they may not notice Mommy is gone until bedtime or they get hurt and want mommy comfort.

[magicmeyers]

I wouldn't put it past him, but in this case I don't think it is necessary.

Anna doesn't want to break up with Josh. She is praying that rehab will fix him. She is praying for God's help to become a better wife and helpmeet. She may ask her mom for help and guidance with her "heart" and maybe for practical advice (aka bedroom advice) also.

Why do so many of us keep fantasizing that Anna would want to "escape"? If she was tempted at all, it would have been in the early days, when her brother offered to come get her. By now she has had time to be numbed to the pain, to be persuaded by parents, inlaws, pastor etc. that she will be doing the Godly thing by staying and being there for Josh.

There may come a point, after Josh fails her again, when she will have had enough. But that point isn't yet. Whether she is visiting her parents for support and distraction or whether her mother is accompanying her while she visits Josh, Anna is not going to "give up on" her marriage and go against what she was taught all her life just yet.

:(

So freaking sad. Anna could find someone so much better if she had been raised to be an independent person who did what made her happy instead of what "God would want." Josh is a total sociopath. I hope the M kids are okay....they'll obviously notice that she's gone and I don't believe they've ever been separated from her/each other for more than a couple days.

[Dandruff]

I wonder how much input Anna had into the decision for Josh to attend faith-based rehab. If he's at a place like RU, and she believes in what they do (e.g., teaching female students about their role as "vessels"), then she may be expecting a new, improved Josh. I imagine both sets of parents are strongly encouraging this. I also imagine that Jim Bob would restrict any opportunities for Josh to cheat or further humiliate his family.

If Anna wasn't part of the decision for faith-based rehab, or she doesn't believe it'll fix him, or she has decided she hates him, then maybe she is looking for ways out.

[imokit]

I'm betting Anna had zero say in where Josh went for rehab. I put that decision soley on JBs shoulders (possibly with a little help from Michelle). Anna would have been told whats happening, not asked for advice.

Despite this, I think she probably agrees with it, and wants to stay even while feeling messed up and hurt.

Being in Anna's position with all her post birth hormones :pull-hair:

[luv2laugh]

Oh boy, I can't imagine what it will be like for Josh when he comes back. Jim Bob will have him completely on lock down and totally controlled. JB can't have any more scandals come out so, Josh will basically live life as a prisoner when he comes back. Josh will have to be his b*tch because he will be depending on JB for financial support as far as an income and also seeing his family... JB might cause Josh to have a complete break down.

[Rescinded and Mended]

I don't think Josh will ever really change, I think he'll just get smarter about covering his tracks and not getting caught in the future. Any way you slice it, Anna is only in for more heartache, and it will be up to him to leave so that he doesn't cause his family further embarrassment, misery, and for Anna, the possible spread of disease.

[JenniferJuniper]

I don't think Josh will ever really change, I think he'll just get smarter about covering his tracks and not getting caught in the future. Any way you slice it, Anna is only in for more heartache, and it will be up to him to leave so that he doesn't cause his family further embarrassment, misery, and for Anna, the possible spread of disease.

I wonder how much Smuggar even knows about STDs. It would be a surefire way to get caught if he brought one home and Anna sought medical attention.

Josh probably would have grown up to be an asshole even in a more normal family, but geez, keeping your kids ignorant about any and everything that makes you uncomfortable is such an idiotic way to parent.

[BamaBelle]

I'm betting Anna had zero say in where Josh went for rehab. I put that decision soley on JBs shoulders (possibly with a little help from Michelle). Anna would have been told whats happening, not asked for advice.

Despite this, I think she probably agrees with it, and wants to stay even while feeling messed up and hurt.

Being in Anna's position with all her post birth hormones :pull-hair:

I just got a mental picture of a tearful Anna in a parking lot before dawn somewhere with M5 in her arm and Sumggar patting her on the shoulder and telling her "I asked Dad to look after you and the kids". As he side hugs her and walks inside.

[vienna]

Honestly, the fact that she is encouraged to never say no to sex is the twist in the knife for me. She isn't allowed to fully blame him, she is encouraged to see what she could have/should have done to be a better helpmeet, and finally, she isn't even allowed to decide when she feels ready to be intimate, if ever. She is encouraged to help fulfill his desires, especially since he needs to learn how to rightously fulfill them and not turn to porn and other women. What a guilt loaded bag of poo. (And why isn't there a poop icon?)

I agree with you!

[magicmeyers]

I don't think Josh will ever really change, I think he'll just get smarter about covering his tracks and not getting caught in the future. Any way you slice it, Anna is only in for more heartache, and it will be up to him to leave so that he doesn't cause his family further embarrassment, misery, and for Anna, the possible spread of disease.

I totally agree. The guy clearly isn't (and never has been) cut out for fundie life. I'm positive that if Josh had been born into a normal family, he would have thoroughly enjoyed 10-15 man-ho years as a teenager/young adult and then MAYBE would have decided to settle down somewhere around 30. It's so sad that he and his siblings, children, and wife have to suffer now because of his parents' fanaticism. You can't force someone into a lifestyle they aren't suited for...their true nature always comes out eventually. I can't decide which would be worse, Josh abandoning Anna and the kids or staying with them solely out of obligation...

[amster]

Jessa posted several pics of Meredith on Instagram, so either Anna is back, or she never went in the first place.

[MisUndrstd]

Jessa posted several pics of Meredith on Instagram, so either Anna is back, or she never went in the first place.

They might be a couple of weeks old. If Anna is in FLA it is a recent development in the past week. Jessa is known for posting "old" pictures. She may have posted it to squash the rumors that Anna left the TTH for her parent's home. Another thing I wonder about is: What if Josh decides after all this that he doesn't want to be married anymore? Would JB and Michelle be able to accept the fact that Josh out of his married life? We keep saying Anna should leave but what if Josh decides he wants to leave, would it ever be possible?

[jinseng]

Maybe Anna is in Florida looking for places to live? Maybe she down there organising to take them all back to Florida???? Just a thought...

[JenniferJuniper]

Maybe Anna is in Florida looking for places to live? Maybe she down there organising to take them all back to Florida???? Just a thought...

Based upon the things we know he has said about divorce in the past and what Daniel Keller has said, I can't see Pa Keller going along with such a scheme.

The best guess is that the Kellers and the Duggars are working with each other to keep Anna together and ready for Josh's return as a new man, Jesus having triumphed over Satan in his heart. Once again.

I figure the happy JoshNAnna Megyn Kelly interview will happen by spring and be filled with many adoring gazes from Anna and much hand-holding, with M5 arriving by early 2017.