Free Anna Duggar and the M Kids - Part 2 - Merge

[nokidsmom]

Agree with those who think the only way Josh and Anna will get divorced is if he leaves her. She will not leave him. As much as I think would be better for him to do this sooner rather than later, he will come back for a time only to mess up again. He's not being given any chances to seriously evaluate what he wants in life and act accordingly, he's being shoved back into fundie mold by his parents via this "rehab" wherever it is, which is yet another mistake.

ETA: Anna is being sheltered in order to make sure she sticks around for whenever Josh comes back. JB is taking no chances especially given Anna's brother's position on the situation.

[devoe364]

Agree with those who think the only way Josh and Anna will get divorced is if he leaves her. She will not leave him. As much as I think would be better for him to do this sooner rather than later, he will come back for a time only to mess up again. He's not being given any chances to seriously evaluate what he wants in life and act accordingly, he's being shoved back into fundie mold by his parents via this "rehab" wherever it is, which is yet another mistake.

ETA: Anna is being sheltered in order to make sure she sticks around for whenever Josh comes back. JB is taking no chances especially given Anna's brother's position on the situation.

I particularly agree with this last statement. JB wants to ensure that Anna and the Mkids stay - its in his best interests and it protects the brand. He is still doing everything in his power to protect the brand after all.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Anna, the Mkids and Josh when he eventually returns, aren't moved into TTH, rather than just being on the property. I think JB will be especially controlling of Josh when he returns and will not want to allow him the leeway to slip again.

Of course, in the end, Josh will rebel against that because he has had freedom, however I can definitely see JB running the show for awhile until Josh gets sick of it and leaves.

[nokidsmom]

I particularly agree with this last statement. JB wants to ensure that Anna and the Mkids stay - its in his best interests and it protects the brand. He is still doing everything in his power to protect the brand after all.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Anna, the Mkids and Josh when he eventually returns, aren't moved into TTH, rather than just being on the property. I think JB will be especially controlling of Josh when he returns and will not want to allow him the leeway to slip again.

Of course, in the end, Josh will rebel against that because he has had freedom, however I can definitely see JB running the show for awhile until Josh gets sick of it and leaves.

Agree totally. JB is in full blown damage control mode now. Once Josh returns to his family, I can see JB watching things like a hawk however that could be the very thing that causes Josh to eventually leave. The genie is out of the bottle as far as Josh having a taste of freedom and there's no putting it back. Being forced back into the life he does not want might make him desperate to cut loose again.

Being in rehab might seem like the being in the gulag but for Josh, the gulag might be the TTH.

[devoe364]

I'm with you nokidsmom.

I do see another Mkid or two though before he leaves. First and foremost, after rehab (and lets be honest, this isn't going to be the kind of rehab where they let you umm self-pleasure in the shower, Josh is going to want sex. Anna, being a good little sheep, is going to submit.

So there will be at least one more Mkid before he hightails it out of there.

[nokidsmom]

Agree as well devoe364, that there will be probably be at least one more Mkid when Josh comes back out of rehab still screwed up a changed man. :roll: BC is not an option for either of them and they both might convince themselves that more kids will help them rededicate themselves to their marriage. Yet I would like to be that Anna getting pregnant again might just sent Josh back into feeling unhappy and dissatisfied.

It's too bad that if they try to make a go of it to at least not bring another kid into the mess.

[Dandruff]

I don't like Josh at all, but this situation is so messed up that I can muster a bit (just a bit) of sympathy for him. He received a daddy-approved SOTDRT education, married a daddy-approved wife, and worked at daddy-approved jobs while getting no real help for his issues. Molestation? Pornography? Adultery? Read the bible and do hard physical labor while daddy sweeps up. If secular counseling is viewed as more sinful than your own sins, what options are left? Josh may well be facing the choice of being a reigned-in puppet in his relationships (where he's clearly not happy and is causing a lot of pain) or losing everything and having to start over with a limited education and a horrible reputation. I don't think he deserves much, but for Anna and the kids' sake - at least - someone should be helping him to figure out what he wants, why he's doing what he's doing, and what his realistic options are for the future.

[isarhenne]

All the time I was hoping that Josh and Anna would stop at 4 children which would be ideal for them: 2 of each, 4 children is still a lot more than the average and they would be done in their 20's with their lives still ahead of them. would have been ideal!

Little did we know that it would end the way it did :?

I think they are done having children and I also think that Josh will leave Anna to live his lost youth. He will end up with a mainstram christian , jeans and tanktop wearing woman who does not say no to alcohol and partying.

Anna will be left to herself with all 4 children and be cared for by jb and michelle and jana of course.

[TXGirlInAMaterialWorld]

I think J&A will continue to have children if they stay together. They have both been brainwashed to believe that is their purpose in life.

If they do divorce, I pity Anna. Divorced with 4 kids before the age of 30 with the education and job prospects of the average 14 year old.

[DarkAnts]

I bet JB is limiting her time with Amy since her husband thinks Anna should leave. I still remember when they were close. It might be a fun vacation for Anna and the kids to stay with Amy for a weekend. Amy has an out there personality, but I think their friendship was or is real.

[jersharocks]

I think J&A will continue to have children if they stay together. They have both been brainwashed to believe that is their purpose in life.

If they do divorce, I pity Anna. Divorced with 4 kids before the age of 30 with the education and job prospects of the average 14 year old.

I wouldn't say that necessarily. IF (and it's a big if) she was able to leave and was willing to put the kids in public school, she could easily get a job at a daycare or a group home for developmentally disabled folks. My brother-in-law and his wife work for one and they are always in need of workers. The job consists of everything Anna does on a regular basis anyway - bathe people, cook, basic first aid, drive to activities like church or bowling, etc.

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[EmCatlyn]

I bet JB is limiting her time with Amy since her husband thinks Anna should leave. I still remember when they were close. It might be a fun vacation for Anna and the kids to stay with Amy for a weekend. Amy has an out there personality, but I think their friendship was or is real.

I can't say about her friendship with Amy but Anna has a sister (Rebekah?) who is fundie lite and lives with her husband in Texas (?). This is someone who hasn't spoken up publicly about what Anna should do (though apparently her husband spoke up against the way TLC behaved about Anna and Josh's wedding). This sister seems to be staying out of the controversy about Josh.

In many ways she would be the ideal person for Anna to spend some time with, to get support as a person, perhaps to be given a break from the Duggars without "going against the Duggars."

Amy is a newlywed, basking in her happy marriage and probably less attuned to Anna's feelings because she was not raised fundy or believe in that stuff.

A non-Duggar sister who is not invested in having Anna leave or stay with Josh, who understands what it is to be married for a while, who shares her background etc. might be the best person for Anna to be with her now--if they get along and if the sister had the time and space to reach out and invite Anna.

But who knows if they get along etc.

[devoe364]

I can't say about her friendship with Amy but Anna has a sister (Rebekah?) who is fundie lite and lives with her husband in Texas (?). This is someone who hasn't spoken up publicly about what Anna should do (though apparently her husband spoke up against the way TLC behaved about Anna and Josh's wedding). This sister seems to be staying out of the controversy about Josh.

In many ways she would be the ideal person for Anna to spend some time with, to get support as a person, perhaps to be given a break from the Duggars without "going against the Duggars."

Amy is a newlywed, basking in her happy marriage and probably less attuned to Anna's feelings because she was not raised fundy or believe in that stuff.

A non-Duggar sister who is not invested in having Anna leave or stay with Josh, who understands what it is to be married for a while, who shares her background etc. might be the best person for Anna to be with her now--if they get along and if the sister had the time and space to reach out and invite Anna.

But who knows if they get along etc.

Rebekah is going through a divorce right now according to People. Now way JB would let Anna go stay with her with the Mkids or without. It might give Anna ideas.

[EmCatlyn]

Rebekah is going through a divorce right now according to People. Now way JB would let Anna go stay with her with the Mkids or without. It might give Anna ideas.

I wonder how the Kellars feel about that. Susannah has baby out of wedlock, Rebekah is getting divorced, and Anna's husband is totally disgraced. Are there any other daughters?

Anyway, it's too bad Anna and Rebekah can't be moral support for each other.

[missegeno]

I think there are 5 Keller girls. Priscilla is drowning in Kool aid and baby voice, and I don't think the Boobs would mind Anna seeing her. I'm blanking on the remaining sister.

[helenprev]

Isn't the remaining sister Esther who is in Zambia with her husband John Schrader? Hoping I've got that right!

[missegeno]

Ah, yes! How could I forget Esther's grifting hubbie!

[Whipple]

Latest "news" -- Unverified source says Anna is is not in Arkansas and is staying with her mom. Interesting wording, instead of with parents.

"She isn't in Arkansas," the source told E! News. "She is getting support from her family. She is staying with her mom."

[sophrosyne]

Latest "news" -- Unverified source says Anna is is not in Arkansas and is staying with her mom. Interesting wording, instead of with parents.

"She isn't in Arkansas," the source told E! News. "She is getting support from her family. She is staying with her mom."

On p. 9 of the Duggar Aviation Thread, there's news of a JB and a Duggar kid sighting at Epcot. None of the Duggar planes has flown to Florida recently, but they'd likely have flown commercial or driven to FL, since the Duggar planes couldn't transport Anna, Meredith, JB, and a Duggar kid (looks like Kynzie and Michael were in Arkansas for the Krispy Kreme pirate dress up today, per Jill's Instagram).

[16strong]

Ah, yes! How could I forget Esther's grifting hubbie!

Yes, but in the Keller family, grifters are celebrated. I have no doubt that Johnnie boy is still in Pa Keller's best graces. In fact, I'll venture out and say that Josh is probably still more respected than Daniel, Josh McDonald, or Suze's boyfriend. Because despite his infidelity, he's still fundie, and that's what matters the most.

[Gimme a Free RV]

Except for the nurturing love that only a mother can give her child, I doubt staying with her mom will be very helpful for Anna. My money's on Mrs. Keller telling her daughter that she needs to stay with Josh, remain submissive, be loving and forgiving...basically the same spiel she's been getting in Duggarland.

[EmCatlyn]

I think getting away from her inlaws will be a nice break for Anna. The Duggars are probably under more stress, and the change of scene might help Anna heal. I don't discount the value of her mother's comfort either.

Anna doesn't want to leave Josh. She wants support for her decision to stay and she will get that from her mother as well as some needed nurturing.

One thing that struck me, though, is that apparently the older M kids stayed behind in Arkansas with the J-slaves. I hope they don't miss Anna too much.

[ChestHugger]

I think getting away from her inlaws will be a nice break for Anna. The Duggars are probably under more stress, and the change of scene might help Anna heal. I don't discount the value of her mother's comfort either.

Anna doesn't want to leave Josh. She wants support for her decision to stay and she will get that from her mother as well as some needed nurturing.

One thing that struck me, though, is that apparently the older M kids stayed behind in Arkansas with the J-slaves. I hope they don't miss Anna too much.

Could you imagine your dad going away and not knowing when he's coming back then your mom goes away without you too? I know the M kids love their grandparents and aunts/uncles but that must be hard for little ones to understand.

[Whipple]

Could you imagine your dad going away and not knowing when he's coming back then your mom goes away without you too? I know the M kids love their grandparents and aunts/uncles but that must be hard for little ones to understand.

I thought the same thing! Things must be pretty bad for Anna right now to put the older littles in that situation. I am guessing she needs a space to cry and possibly get angry. I'm guessing it is getting to be impossible to keep pushing down all of the emotions that are bubbling up and there is no therapy allowed. I don't believe the "Anna is getting help too" nonsense. Right now, she is probably unable to do that with the kids underfoot and the Duggars around.

[nastyhobbitses]

Could you imagine your dad going away and not knowing when he's coming back then your mom goes away without you too? I know the M kids love their grandparents and aunts/uncles but that must be hard for little ones to understand.

I agree. Maybe she wanted the kids to remain in their routine as much as possible (good for kids during a crisis, which is why you see schools and playgrounds in refugee camps), but even then, Mack is homeschooled and Michael and Marcus aren't school-aged yet. I guess it was a choice Anna had to make: uproot the kids for the second time in a not-very-long time to a much smaller house with fewer resources on top of helping them process what's happening to the family while dealing with your own issues, or leave the kids with their aunts and uncles (grandparents don't really figure into any of this, honestly, since they barely pay attention to anything happening in the household anymore) in the place they've already been living while you go and work on yourself. Either way you're putting the kids in a rough situation, but I guess Anna figured that they needed routine and consistency and that her parents didn't have enough space to take her plus all four kids long-term.

[JenniferJuniper]

Her parents still live in the trailer with two of Anna's brothers. Five adults and four very young kids would probably add to the stress of the situation.

Still, if true, I'm surprised Anna left her kids behind. I'm not judging, she needs a break, but she must be in a really bad place. Or her parents are insisting she see them so they can reinforce the Duggars' message of staying the course with that pig she calls a husband.