John Shrader: Killing Snakes & Grifting Appliances for Jesus

[happy atheist]

Previous discussion here:

Part 1 here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18815

Part 2 here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22205

Part 3 here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23034

John and Esther and their nine (¿is that the right number?) kids are "missionaries" in Zambia. This means that they complain about the housing not being up to snuff, and not having ice cubes, and important stuff like that. John has managed to "save" one soul by "converting" someone from Christianity to Christianity. He has also grifted a bunch of appliances (washer, freezer, $6000 printer, etc), and an expensive vehicle. He can't use his grifted airplane because someone else has the key to the shed/hangar (is that right? or is it the key to the plane?).

Oh, and there was a snake in the yard that met a very gory end. Because John is manly and godly.

Additionally he has been dropped by his sending church, which is kind of an unheard of thing, and now his daddy's church is the new sending church. He's also lost almost all financial support. This is due to some sort of doctrinal dispute that I have no understanding of at all. His daddy is blaming satan (surprise!).

Join us, won't you, for John's further righteous adventures in darkest heathen Africa.

[Jezebel]

BEST. SUBJECT. LINE. EVAR.

I'm on a crowded bus, and cackled so maniacally nobody wants to sit next to me now.

[PrairieGirl]

BEST. SUBJECT. LINE. EVAR.

I'm on a crowded bus, and cackled so maniacally nobody wants to sit next to me now.

The fact that I totally picture you looking like your profile pic and cackling maniacally on a bus now has me cackling away. :lol:

[Georgiana]

The thing I hate about John's constant whining, among other things, is that it's not like they lived any better State-side. They were living in Church basements and pop-up trailers for Christ's sake. Honestly, in some ways, Zambia looks like a step up. And they would be living much better if they conformed to the local lifestyle instead of insisting on Western ways and luxuries.

Don't give me this "We don't have a fridge because we are suffering for Jesus".

No.

You don't have a fridge because you are a lazy ass who wont get a JOB to support your family, and you need it because you are too haughty to learn from other peoples because you think you're better than them.

[Mitz_]

The thing I hate about John's constant whining, among other things, is that it's not like they lived any better State-side. They were living in Church basements and pop-up trailers for Christ's sake. Honestly, in some ways, Zambia looks like a step up. And they would be living much better if they conformed to the local lifestyle instead of insisting on Western ways and luxuries.

Don't give me this "We don't have a fridge because we are suffering for Jesus".

No.

You don't have a fridge because you are a lazy ass who wont get a JOB to support your family, and you need it because you are too haughty to learn from other peoples because you think you're better than them.

He has a fridge AND a matching freezer because Esther prayed for it and God delivered it a week or so ago. it was a huge blessing because a lot of people living around them don't even have food. God is so good.

[Georgiana]

He has a fridge AND a matching freezer because Esther prayed for it and God delivered it a week or so ago. it was a huge blessing because a lot of people living around them don't even have food. God is so good.

You know, I don't want to worship ANY God who delivers luxury appliances to lazy grifters while the village they're in STARVES.

That is why I encourage all of you to join us in worshiping the NEW God that was revealed to us on Sunday: Based Left Shark. He abandoned the choreography for your sins.

[whoviana]

BEST. SUBJECT. LINE. EVAR.

I'm on a crowded bus, and cackled so maniacally nobody wants to sit next to me now.

I agree. I just tuned in a few days ago but I'm snorting everything up, it's so addictive.

[Gobsmacked]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I've just snorted wine down my nose :lol:

Thats brilliant Happy Atheist!!

[formergothardite]

Instead of living for Jesus, John is grifting for Jesus.

[whoviana]

I think that they only missionary these 2 are doing is an action that mostly happens in a horizontal position.

[Milly-Molly-Mandy]

After Palimpsest's brilliant explanation of lordship salvation I can actually understand why churches have dropped John. Either you are saved by faith in Christ alone or you are not. That seems a big deal.

What I don't understand is why he was lying abount his position to begin with.

I think it's interesting that, like so many narcissists, he creates a great first impression but then on getting to know him and seeing what he is up too they became disillusioned.

What does he do all day in Zambia? After 7 months he's converted...3? Men from Christianity to his version of Christianity. And if they where already Christians he did not save them from hell (as I am sure he believes non christians are going).

Also if he has Lost 2K a month how much was he getting??

Excuse typos, feeding baby and on iPhone.

[ShesCrafty]

John has managed to "save" one soul by "converting" someone from Christianity to Christianity.

:lol: This line cracked me up and inspired a burst of creativity that I don't actually possess:

[KittenMitten]

John has managed to "save" one soul by "converting" someone from Christianity to Christianity.

I have to say whenever I see this line, I laugh for hours. It shows how crazy this all is.

Oh, and there was a snake in the yard that met a very gory end. Because John is manly and godly.

I know John has done awful things, and has terrible beliefs, is mean and has the head the size of the Grand Canyon(the head that is on top of his neck, not the other one),but this. I love snakes. I think I have the cutest snake in the world. Did he even know if it was poisonous? Snakes want to be left alone, it would never have attacked them unless they came at it with a stick. I vaguely remember this from a previous thread. I believe it was a game of white man plays big game hunter. Which is stupid if the snake was poisonous.

Join us, won't you, for John's further righteous adventures in darkest heathen Africa.

This is a great line, kind of Indiana Jones meets Jesus. But I still love the line "He converted someone from Christianity to Christianity". Laughing as I'm typing and cats are getting worried.

Thank you happy atheist for lots of laughs.

[Gobsmacked]

Back in 2013 the team Zambia funding /grifting was being done through hazardous journeys. I didn't realise that the Shraders had anything to do with Doug Philips and his cronies?

Have I got that right?

[Dandruff]

Do Ma and Pa Keller make regular contributions? I'm wondering how they and their church (the one Josh/Anna and Pecan/Pris married in) feel about John and what he's doing.

[Peas n carrots]

Back in 2013 the team Zambia funding /grifting was being done through hazardous journeys. I didn't realise that the Shraders had anything to do with Doug Philips and his cronies?

Have I got that right?

I think you are thinking of the Chaucey's (sp?) who were Dougie's buddies who now are missionaries in Africa. They like to style themselves as the Chaucey's of Africa.

[Palimpsest]

After Palimpsest's brilliant explanation of lordship salvation I can actually understand why churches have dropped John. Either you are saved by faith in Christ alone or you are not. That seems a big deal.

What I don't understand is why he was lying abount his position to begin with.

I think it's interesting that, like so many narcissists, he creates a great first impression but then on getting to know him and seeing what he is up too they became disillusioned.

What does he do all day in Zambia? After 7 months he's converted...3? Men from Christianity to his version of Christianity. And if they where already Christians he did not save them from hell (as I am sure he believes non christians are going).

Also if he has Lost 2K a month how much was he getting??

Excuse typos, feeding baby and on iPhone.

Aw, thanks. I'm blushing. :)

To clarify though, I was talking about the great Clash of the Apostles debate. It seems to be only one aspect of Lordship Salvation. I'm still grappling with the Lordship Salvation concept.

What does seem clear is that:

- John spent a lot of time in the past yapping about how he is a Pauline "By Grace Alone" type of guy.

- Then when the fecal matter hit the revolving object and churches started dropping him in droves he issued a "clarification" saying that he was all about Lordship Salvation. Lordship Salvation does seem to include "Works and Fruits" so that's more the Jamesian position. I think.

- Daddy Rick Shrader is now running major interference saying that it's not about Lordship Salvation at all. The problem is about repentance. And Satan.

(Bringing from previous thread) Rebelwife: No, I haven't read "Zealot" by Reza Aslan. Thanks for the recommendation as it is now on my library list. It sounds like my kind of book! Paul always gave me major problems - even if some of the Letters weren't even written by him but by later followers. I always thought James was much closer to the preaching of the historical Jesus. As you say, radical and socialist. Practically communist!

Paul never even met Jesus, unless you count a hallucination vision on the road to Damascus, and was in a privileged position as a Roman Citizen himself. When you look hard at Paul's writing he preached appeasement while James was an in-your-face resister.

[Howl]

I've given up on trying to understand Lordship Salvation. Can anyone clarify the repentance issue? Was John supposed to be repenting for something (like not buying into Lordship Salvation? or buying into Lordship Salvation?).

I live in Texas. For most people who live in the country, venomous snakes in the yard are dead snakes. Copperheads are the main problem where my relatives live in SE Texas, and yes, several of them have been bitten. Copperhead bites are not fun, but are totally survivable for the most part (by humans and even pets) and don't cause lasting tissue damage.

However, John and Esther have a bazillion small children running around and the possibility of the younger kids or a toddler surviving a bite from a cobra or a boomslang is fairly low. We've fretted about the Schrader kids and disease (malaria, especially) -- I think the concern about snake bite should be right up there. Yes, they should be on the internet identifying venomous species so they don't dispatch the helper species, but holy crap, I'd be insanely concerned with this situation if these were my kids, especially with spitting cobras around.

[Palimpsest]

I think you are thinking of the Chaucey's (sp?) who were Dougie's buddies who now are missionaries in Africa. They like to style themselves as the Chaucey's of Africa.

No. I found a weird link to VF ages ago, although certainly not all funding was done through HJS. I couldn't believe it because VF is Calvinist and John, obviously, is not. I still kick myself for not taking a screenshot because the HJS to Zambia FB has now been wiped. Shrader and Rea were both in the States and nowhere near Zambia in August 2013.

Re: Burden to Burundi, Zealous for Zambia

PostAuthor: Palimpsest » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:48 am

Well now, this is interesting. The thot plickens.

John Shrader famously renounced ATI when he lost his temper on the Pickles and Hairspray site a couple of months ago

But he is affiliated with . . .

Wait for it . . .

Vision Forum Ministries! Specifically the Hazardous Journeys Society.

I was wondering if the HJ teams ever got back from Nepal and Mongolia so I took a look on FB. Each Hazardous Journey has a FB page detailing the tourist activities perilous conditions they encounter.

Back in August there was a Hazardous Journey to Zambia, not including either Shrader or Rea. It looks like a couple of fathers and sons, perhaps 6 people total. On August 23 this message was put on "Hazardous Journeys Team Zambia" FB.

That link goes straight to the Shrader/Rea Team Zambia fundraising site.

[Jana814]

I think that they only missionary these 2 are doing is an action that mostly happens in a horizontal position.

Agree! Thanks for this information.

[Jana814]

Did he give a reason why he was dropped (besides satan).

[Howl]

Any update on when the Rea family will arrive in Zambia?

[Palimpsest]

Any update on when the Rea family will arrive in Zambia?

Not really. Rea's latest newsletter (Jan, 2015) is up on TeamZambia.com. He claims to be sending off his application for a visa/residency permit this month. At least, unlike John, he isn't jumping on a plane before he has that in his hand.

Rea must be so jealous of Shrader's fundraising abilities. He is still asking for donations for a car in Zambia. No brand new Troupie fell into his lap as a gift from God.

[formergothardite]

John does of a special gift of getting Christians to give him whatever he wants. Not many people could get as much stuff as he did.

[Gobsmacked]

The info I found mentioned donating through PayPal and Hazardous journeys . The dates were around July/august 2013.

There were photos of men in a land rover in Livingston and also rafting on the Zambezi .

I found it when pootling through the wide stance threads featuring DP

In starring role. I can't remember any names mentioned, just Team Zambia.

Was that were John got the idea of being a "missionary" from I wonder? :?