Another one bites the dust- Daniel Lockwood MERGE

[Prevention]

I was expressing my position, not hitting you over the head with a baseball bat. Is it a public FB page? If so, I'd like to follow it.

So the Lockwoods deserve "some privacy"? Good to know where your personal cutoff is. I believe that gossip and speculation stop when the truth is stated. Sorry to put a damper on your fun.

I am not sure if the page is public or not...will have to check. I heard of it from someone in Daniel's family. Jaynee's family is pretty hush-hush about it all. They give Dan way more respect than is warranted IMHO.

[Koala]

So the Lockwoods deserve "some privacy"? Good to know where your personal cutoff is. I believe that gossip and speculation stop when the truth is stated. Sorry to put a damper on your fun.

I am not sure if the page is public or not...will have to check. I heard of it from someone in Daniel's family. Jaynee's family is pretty hush-hush about it all. They give Dan way more respect than is warranted IMHO.

If the facebook page is public, then it's fair game. If it's private, *I am pretty sure* that posting the private content violates FJ rules.

[Prevention]

Seriously, not even going to check. Find it yourself. I am sure their aren't too many Loclwoods to search through...and good luck if they are married. :lol:

Nothing private has been posted...they are NOT celebrities. :pink-shock: Seriously, if you all are in agreement that you are not interested in the truth just say so and I will not answer anymore questions. Thanks. :)

[church_of_dog]

Seriously, not even going to check. Find it yourself. I am sure their aren't too many Loclwoods to search through...and good luck if they are married. :lol:

Nothing private has been posted...they are NOT celebrities. :pink-shock: Seriously, if you all are in agreement that you are not interested in the truth just say so and I will not answer anymore questions. Thanks. :)

Umm… It is incumbent on each of us to make sure that we are posting within the TOU -- so if you are posting information, it's your job to make sure that information is publicly available. This kind of question comes up here all the time, it's a legitimate concern. I would never have mentioned the name of the town in my post if I hadn't assumed you were following the TOU and it was ok to mention it. I hope I will still be able to edit my post if it turns out the name shouldn't have been mentioned.

I do not have a facebook account so I'm unable to check myself to see the status of their page.

[formergothardite]

I think on the Shrader thread it was said you could summarize things. But I'm uncomfortable with their home town being made public if they haven't made it public. It's one thing to say they have had difficulty finding a house and another thing to give the location of their new house. If they have made it public then it isn't a big deal, but if they haven't then I don't think we should be posting their home town. But that is just my opinion and nobody has to take it.

[Prevention]

What is the difference between public knowledge, as in they have told anyone who asked where they live vs public on the web?

The town they live in is not private to anyone who knows them or goes to church with them.

[WonderingInWA]

I must be really inept at searching on FB because I don't come up with any Lockwoods that aren't in my locale.

[Coconut Flan]

I'm an inept on Facebook searching also. Direct quoting of private FB is not allowed but paraphrasing it allowed. I'm not offended by stating where they have moved. For all we know the info is on someone's public page.

[Prevention]

I'm an inept on Facebook searching also. Direct quoting of private FB is not allowed but paraphrasing it allowed. I'm not offended by stating where they have moved. For all we know the info is on someone's public page.

Thank you. No direct quote was made therefore I do mot have to prove anything. I am not comfortable posting the fb link. Find it yourself or just take my word for it.

[Mitz_]

The Lockwood's have made their family life public on a public blog and set themselves as an example of people living a Godly life. They have made a lot of effort to be known to the public and as indicated by their blog they are not opposed to the public knowing the name of the town they live in. It's not the same as giving an adress. They shared a lot of details about their lives and then they clammed up when the shit hit the fan.

Read about other pastors who had a moral failure. Ministries have a dim view of silence and cover ups, even they believe that the truth should be told and the minister dealt with...and swiftly. To do otherwise is cowardly and dishonest. Their lives are supported by public donations and support.

There is nothing wrong with sharing what you know, it's done all the time on FG. I think that the truth is better than speculation because some of the speculation is bound to be worse than the truth.

A lot of us are concerned about Jaynee and her children, Daniel doesn't deserve any special treatment.

I am very interested to hear what you have to say.

[Mitz_]

So I've been reading a little of Jaynee's blog every day and I went back and read the first 10'pages of posts that I missed on this thread, I really want to know more about Jaynee and Daniel. Everything I have read so far indicates that they are the poster children for irresponsible ministry endeavors. Other than some shoe boxes at Christmas I can't see what they contributed to their community. They put in 9-10 years of "work" and all I see is a crappy little church building. I wonder what the people who supported them see? More deeply impoverished children?

I'm trying to have sympathy for Jaynee, I get that she is a good soul but I can't respect her efforts to encourage other women to be sucked into the same black hole that she is stuck in. She seems to realize that her lot in life really sucks but she is determined to be happy with it...I mean, if that's what Daniel wants, of course. And if he doesn't want that then she is wrong to even think about it.

Still, in no way does Daniel deserve this woman. She would be happy with so little, just a little unconditional love and a little approval.

I don't think any of us will ever understand the degree of isolation that she lives with but the fact that she has not spoken to her sister in years tells me that it must be intense.

Oh yeah, what was the thing that caused the family rift anyway? Anyone know?

I was really saddened by Jaynee's story about her transition to skirts only, she had some spunk and individuality at one time but Daniel ( you know how modest he is and all) wanted her to wear skirts. She pinned a few really cute outfits on Pinterest , fundie things but really cute .

I'd like to ask " prevention"... Has Jaynee always had those sad eyes? I'll bet she was a very, very pretty young girl.

It sounds like she is not on speaking terms with her family or is that just some of the family? It would be nice to have their support now.

[Prevention]

So I've been reading a little of Jaynee's blog every day and I went back and read the first 10'pages of posts that I missed on this thread, I really want to know more about Jaynee and Daniel. Everything I have read so far indicates that they are the poster children for irresponsible ministry endeavors. Other than some shoe boxes at Christmas I can't see what they contributed to their community. They put in 9-10 years of "work" and all I see is a crappy little church building. I wonder what the people who supported them see? More deeply impoverished children?

I'm trying to have sympathy for Jaynee, I get that she is a good soul but I can't respect her efforts to encourage other women to be sucked into the same black hole that she is stuck in. She seems to realize that her lot in life really sucks but she is determined to be happy with it...I mean, if that's what Daniel wants, of course. And if he doesn't want that then she is wrong to even think about it.

Still, in no way does Daniel deserve this woman. She would be happy with so little, just a little unconditional love and a little approval.

I don't think any of us will ever understand the degree of isolation that she lives with but the fact that she has not spoken to her sister in years tells me that it must be intense.

Oh yeah, what was the thing that caused the family rift anyway? Anyone know?

I was really saddened by Jaynee's story about her transition to skirts only, she had some spunk and individuality at one time but Daniel ( you know how modest he is and all) wanted her to wear skirts. She pinned a few really cute outfits on Pinterest , fundie things but really cute .

I'd like to ask " prevention"... Has Jaynee always had those sad eyes? I'll bet she was a very, very pretty young girl.

It sounds like she is not on speaking terms with her family or is that just some of the family? It would be nice to have their support now.

You know, I am not sure that there is a family rift on Jaynee's side. Like I said before, her family is pretty private. The last time I spoke with her sister was close to 5-6 years ago I think. They hadn't been talking then, maybe they are now...not sure for a fact. I really don't know anything about a rift other than this sister doesn't like Dan and never did and alluded that her parents were very afraid for Jaynee and the kids....esp thru all the pregnancy issues and lack of health care in Mexico.

[Mitz_]

Ah, I see...I read Jaynee's comments on Yuku and thought it was an ongoing thing...I suppose I considered it to be a "rift" . Hopefully there is only love and support for Jaynee at this time. Perhaps that all it ever was but well, maybe t's complicated.

.."..In my posts, I want to be honest...it's always a balance in writing especially when the entire world can read it if they want...being honest and sharing from your heart yet knowing that sometimes people don't understand what you write. We have people view us in so many ways....some seem to put us on a pedestal while others definitely don't (ha! )...either way, it isn't us. We are just regular people who love the Lord, want to follow His Word, ....."

"About 2 years ago, some members of my family (not Daniel and children) got angry with us. I have honestly never understood why as the things they did tell us weren't as they made them. Many, many untrue things were said about us and to us and any time we have gone through a time of difficulty, they have sent us very hurtful emails. And it's been hard on my heart...much harder than anything I've gone through before. But I know God loves me and never allows anything in our lives that isn't for our good. And I have seen much good in it. But it has hurt.

I know many of you don't agree with what we believe. I know many of you don't understand maybe why we have made the choices we have made for our family. But I think most of you understand what it is like to love and need your family. During times of hardship through which we all pass from time to time, it is then that you need your family's support, encouragement and love. But I've been given the opposite many times.

Well, all that to say, yes, it is a weight on my heart but it doesn't not consume me. Sure, there are days that it weighs heavier than others...and sometimes I've chosen to write down my thoughts on those days. And the 8-) Lord is always so good to give me His peace and joy as I give my burdens to Him in prayer. But those hard days are few and far between. Most days, I'm just busy! And I really love it! I guess I need to share more of the good days If I can only stay up long enough to write about them I get up early and go strong all day long, but by 10:30 pm, I'm ready for sleep!!!!"

[jenwales]

I just feel so sorry for her. Yes, she buys into the whole man as the head of everything thing, but I think it's because she wants to be the perfect Christian woman so Daniel thinks highly of her. When and why did she lose all sense of self? She seems like a good person caught up with a bad one and now she has absolutely no options. When you wonder what kind of person could get caught up in a cult, it's Jaynee. She just wants to belong to something.

I'd like to know what the kids know and what the older ones think. I'd hope they are supporting their mother.

[Peas n carrots]

I just feel so sorry for her. Yes, she buys into the whole man as the head of everything thing, but I think it's because she wants to be the perfect Christian woman so Daniel thinks highly of her. When and why did she lose all sense of self? She seems like a good person caught up with a bad one and now she has absolutely no options. When you wonder what kind of person could get caught up in a cult, it's Jaynee. She just wants to belong to something.

I'd like to know what the kids know and what the older ones think. I'd hope they are supporting their mother.

I imagine 12 kids that she has to homeschool has something to do with it. She likely has zero time for herself. She has to keep on drinking the kool aid for survival...her eldest kid is only 17, so she doesn't have any adult children that could possibly be of any help.

[Prevention]

Ah, I see...I read Jaynee's comments on Yuku and thought it was an ongoing thing...I suppose I considered it to be a "rift" . Hopefully there is only love and support for Jaynee at this time. Perhaps that all it ever was but well, maybe t's complicated.

.."..In my posts, I want to be honest...it's always a balance in writing especially when the entire world can read it if they want...being honest and sharing from your heart yet knowing that sometimes people don't understand what you write. We have people view us in so many ways....some seem to put us on a pedestal while others definitely don't (ha! )...either way, it isn't us. We are just regular people who love the Lord, want to follow His Word, ....."

"About 2 years ago, some members of my family (not Daniel and children) got angry with us. I have honestly never understood why as the things they did tell us weren't as they made them. Many, many untrue things were said about us and to us and any time we have gone through a time of difficulty, they have sent us very hurtful emails. And it's been hard on my heart...much harder than anything I've gone through before. But I know God loves me and never allows anything in our lives that isn't for our good. And I have seen much good in it. But it has hurt.

I know many of you don't agree with what we believe. I know many of you don't understand maybe why we have made the choices we have made for our family. But I think most of you understand what it is like to love and need your family. During times of hardship through which we all pass from time to time, it is then that you need your family's support, encouragement and love. But I've been given the opposite many times.

Well, all that to say, yes, it is a weight on my heart but it doesn't not consume me. Sure, there are days that it weighs heavier than others...and sometimes I've chosen to write down my thoughts on those days. And the 8-) Lord is always so good to give me His peace and joy as I give my burdens to Him in prayer. But those hard days are few and far between. Most days, I'm just busy! And I really love it! I guess I need to share more of the good days If I can only stay up long enough to write about them I get up early and go strong all day long, but by 10:30 pm, I'm ready for sleep!!!!"

Can you post a link to that yuku? I am positive that this posting lines up with a similar one on her blog. When she speaks of difficult times it was either when Abigail was severely burned, or Jaynee miscarried twins which turned out to not be true...it wasn't twins, or when Dan almost died from the tumor in his abdomen. I have no doubt that her family probably tried to talk some sense into her during these times rather than just throw $$$$ at her like everyone else. Hearing the truth does hurt and it is difficult to hear, but who better than your loving family to give it to you? Sounds like Dan twisted it into "see they don't love you, they are lying about me." She was isolated and alone....I can see how the pleasing and sweet personality of her's became enslaved. That is the rift you speak of. Her family tried so many times to get thru to her....always kindly I'm sure because I know them all well. Daniel's 11 siblings have probably never stood up to him although privately some of them have been extremely concerned for Jaynee and the kids as well.

[Mitz_]

@ prevention...I found that link by accident and I didn't copy it, now I'm having trouble finding it again. It was a thread on FJ when it was on Yuku and Jaynee commented on it. I'll look for it again but if someone knows where it is please post.

So why did Jaynee say she miscarried twins if it was just one? Was she mistaken about the twin pregnancy or did they uh...embellish.

I thought the same thing about the "trouble" with her family. If they try to talk some sense into her head Daniel slips it right out of her ( I hope not literally ).

[Mitz_]

Ok I found it. Post # 51 on this thread. Daniel posts also.

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/3650/L ... 6RNMH-9KSM

[Prevention]

Ok I found it. Post # 51 on this thread. Daniel posts also.

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/3650/L ... 6RNMH-9KSM

Ugh, I just vomited in my mouth a little reading that. :ew: one of her sisters came on and defended her. I wonder if she still feels that way?

[WonderingInWA]

Given that we haven't seen any photos of Daniel or heard anything said about Daniel on the blog since his confession, is there a chance Jaynee and the kids moved to their new mountain home without him?

[Prevention]

Given that we haven't seen any photos of Daniel or heard anything said about Daniel on the blog since his confession, is there a chance Jaynee and the kids moved to their new mountain home without him?

No. I know for a fact that there are still together and have been seen together around town.

[slp]

Have they shared what the 'moral failure' was yet?

[Want More Babies]

A look back at yuku and I found this gem.

Concerning Morality we believe: That there should be no sexual activity outside of marriage between one man and one woman. Any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, incest, adultery, pornography, or other types of fornication, is a sinful perversion of God’s gift of sex (Genesis 2:24; 19:5,13; 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-20; Romans 1:26-29; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). That human life begins at conception, and therefore, any type of abortion, regardless of reason, is murder (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Luke 1:44). That God intends a marriage to last a lifetime (Matthew 19:3-12; Romans 7:1-3; I Timothy 3:2), and that all sin, when confessed, is forgiven (I John 1:8-9).

Since we all believe Daniel cheated on Jaynee is this what Daniel believed or only what Jaynee believed?

My first husband cheated on me, repeatedly. I felt 1000% better when I kicked his sorry ass to the curb. My depression even got better. Imagine that. :lol:

I wish Jaynee would kick his sorry ass out on the street and be done with it. I think she would feel so much better. I know they have a bunch of children, it might not be easy, but it couldn't be harder than living with him!

[Mitz_]

"Moral failure" in fundie speak means one thing, really. Sex. If you think it means something else then you must be a normal person. Daniel said he confessed, so Jaynee knows.

Cheating takes an awful toll on a marriage because it crumbles the foundation of the relationship, which is trust. As we all know , cheaters usually cheat again.

Daniel must have known that cheating would have more consequences for him than the average person. Most people wouldn't lose their lively hood over it , they wouldn't have to uproot their wife and 12 children and move to another country. They wouldn't be banished from their chosen field and have to start all over again at the bottom at a pay based on what you earn rather than what you need.

Cheating is always selfish but under these circumstances it goes way beyond that, ole Dan must have thought he was a freakin rock star.

[nokidsmom]

"Moral failure" in fundie speak means one thing, really. Sex. If you think it means something else then you must be a normal person. Daniel said he confessed, so Jaynee knows.

Cheating takes an awful toll on a marriage because it crumbles the foundation of the relationship, which is trust. As we all know , cheaters usually cheat again.

Daniel must have known that cheating would have more consequences for him than the average person. Most people wouldn't lose their lively hood over it , they wouldn't have to uproot their wife and 12 children and move to another country. They wouldn't be banished from their chosen field and have to start all over again at the bottom at a pay based on what you earn rather than what you need.

Cheating is always selfish but under these circumstances it goes way beyond that, ole Dan must have thought he was a freakin rock star.

Agree that "moral failure" are fundie code words for cheating.

Given Daniel's now former occupation, he should also know about the wrongness of it better than the average bear. But that doesn't stop people like him from making really stupid mistakes that cost them big time.