Romney's Message Is Changing/Romney Secret Tape (merged)

[samurai_sarah]

I have address this behavior before on a thread somewhere about Todd Akin. Search through my posts if you must. Todd Akin is an idiot and does not represent the Republican party. Quit listening to the mainstream media so much.

Which alternative media would you suggest? Specific news outlets would be appreciated.

[StarrieEyedKat]

I have address this behavior before on a thread somewhere about Todd Akin. Search through my posts if you must. Todd Akin is an idiot and does not represent the Republican party. Quit listening to the mainstream media so much.

Stop blaming the mainstream media for the members of your party and their stupid comments.

[formergothardite]

I have address this behavior before on a thread somewhere about Todd Akin. Search through my posts if you must. Todd Akin is an idiot and does not represent the Republican party. Quit listening to the mainstream media so much.

It is just strange that you very, very rarely pop up in threads to add your thoughts when the Republicans do extremely shitting things. It is kind of like how you never snark fundies, yet that is what you claimed to have come here to do......

[jericho]

Jericho is typical. If dear Mitt was caught on film saying, "I hate poor people," he/she would be on here insisting that it was the best thing to ever happen for Romney's campaign.

And if Obama was caught on tape saying "I hate rich people" the media would ignore it. Oh wait he did!

[formergothardite]

Just searched and all that I could find is that Jericho at one time when questioned said that some Republicans were upset and distanced themselves from the people who made rape comments. This was not in any of the threads that were about those things and didn't give his opinion on the statements or why he thinks Republicans are suddenly acting this way about rape. But if I missed your post giving an opinion on a thread about Republicans and their shitting comments about rape, please direct me to it, jericho, I will admit that it is totally possible that I missed it.

[jericho]

He still has to own what he said. He said it, good, bad or indifferent. He made statements while running for president of the united states of America to people who are funding his campaign. By default, those statements he makes "behind closed doors" are the most important. Those are the statements where he is showing what he truly wants for America... those are the things we are American people need to know. It's those statements that show what his true agenda are as president... and to be honest, those are the statements that will sink his ship.

Everyone has to own what they say. Those are the things that show your true character and if you are learning anything in this world. If you can't speak about something you said in a meeting to donors, then you have no business saying it.

And if we had tapes of Obama "behind closed doors", you would also find a lot of "controversial" statements as well. Of course the media would ignore it just as they have ignored countless other controversial videos and recordings of Obama's past from his time with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Weather Underground (Bill Ayers), Saul Alinsky etc.

[jericho]

Interesting that these folks never defended President Obama when he uttered his "inelegant" remarks about guns and religion with the "Hey, it was a private event" excuse. Such fucking hypocrites, it makes me sick.

Hypocrite can go both ways. Democrats are hypocrites for saying "it was just a private event" when Obama was caught, then thinking its okay when Romney is caught.

[Guest Anonymous]

And if Obama was caught on tape saying "I hate rich people" the media would ignore it. Oh wait he did!

I listened to the entire thing and he did not once say "I hate rich people". He said that he believed in redistribution and that he believed in government action.

[jericho]

I hate that R(money) would discount my whole existence because I'm part of that 47% too.

Who says he would discount the existence of the 47%? He was discounting their voting for him, not their existence. Romney wants to turn this economy around and strengthen the middle class. Obama wants to keep turn the economy the other way so that even more people are dependent on government. Obama hates successful business and the rich because they are the enemy of his socialistic plan.

[Guest Anonymous]

...and then jericho wriggled around on the ground, rubbing himself in his bullshit, right-wing propaganda.

[jericho]

I listened to the entire thing and he did not once say "I hate rich people". He said that he believed in redistribution and that he believed in government action.

AKA, I hate rich people. They have too much money and don't deserve it. They should be forced by the government to give it to the poor and middle class.

The constitution never intended for it to be this way. Our God given rights allow for nobody to hold us down, NOT for the government to hold us up.

[Guest Anonymous]

AKA, I hate rich people. They have too much money and don't deserve it. They should be forced by the government to give it to the poor and middle class.

The constitution never intended for it to be this way. Our God given rights allow for nobody to hold us down, NOT for the government to hold us up.

You could put that on a t-shirt... and it would still be meaningless bullshit.

[formergothardite]

Since you are the Mitt expert here, how exactly, in detail is he saying that he is going to do this? What is he going to cut? What does he consider duplication in the welfare system? What is his plan to keep people from dropping out of the job system? How is he going to help people who have little education, no money for an education, and work, but can't affor insurance?

And also, could you admit that you were wrong about the releasing tax info situation? You know since most presidential canidates do release more than a years worth.

[jericho]

A few polls were released today and there was some good news and some not so good news(but not terrible):

. Obama leads the NBC/WSJ national poll and a Washington post poll of Virginia by good margins. He looks good it most of the swing states.

. Obama has a one point lead in Gallup. He had a seven point lead after the convention. Todays poll is of 7 days meaning it took place during the Libya crisis. The next Gallup 7 day polls will have the "47% " speech. If Romney is only one point behind after his terrible response to Libya do he think the hidden camera video will matter :? . Most of the 47% think they're in the 53%. We will know the answer by early next week. There are some problems with Gallup. Gallup has admitted that it hasn't polled enough minority voters due to the fact that Gallup calls landlines. Nate Silver of the New York Times say that if you compare landline polls versus cell/landline polls the difference is huge. Also Gallup was wrong in 2008.

.Rasmussen has Romney up by two, but with "leaners" it's tied. What is a leaner? Rasmussen defines them as people who are undecided, but when asked again they chose a candidate. Why aren't the leaners included in the overall poll? Another odd thing about the poll is most of the leaners are African American, a group that most polls have Romney getting 0-2% of the vote. Most experts have a love/hate relationship with Rasmussen. It was accurate in 2008, but it has been known to skew polls for the GOP.

I wrote this to say that while Romney keeps making mistakes the race is still too close. Obama should be up by ten! It is very important to get out the vote.

Every frickin' poll except Rasmussen cooks polls for the Democrats. If you look at the percentage polled you will find way more Democrats polled than Republicans.

[lilwriter85]

This pic has made the rounds on my FB newsfeed.

I'm an Independent, but I will be voting for Obama. I have Republican relatives who are either the 47% or could possibly end up in the 47% someday because of certain factors in their lives and I have to kind of laugh at their support of Romney. One of them is my aunt by marriage. She became disabled back almost 20 years ago in a car accident and she collects than $1,000 in Social Security Disability because she only worked part time seasonal jobs before the accident. She didn't pay a lot into the system. She is also diabetic and had a kidney transplant. She and my uncle are very anti-Obama and one of their daughters recently liked Romney on Facebook. Thinking about that I laugh because she doesn't realize that Romney and a lot of Republicans don't give a shit about her mom. I know that sounds cruel, but at the same time I hope she wakes before Election Day.

[jericho]

Since you are the Mitt expert here, how exactly, in detail is he saying that he is going to do this? What is he going to cut? What does he consider duplication in the welfare system? What is his plan to keep people from dropping out of the job system? How is he going to help people who have little education, no money for an education, and work, but can't affor insurance?

And also, could you admit that you were wrong about the releasing tax info situation? You know since most presidential canidates do release more than a years worth.

In a nutshell Mitt will cut taxes on the rich thus giving them incentive to expand/hire which will allow more jobs to be created and increase production and spending.

On the other hand, Obama wants to tax the rich to death thus giving business owners and large companies no incentive to expand or hire which will continue to keep our economy in the tank. Not only this, but Obama actually thinks that the extra taxes on the 1 or 2 percent will help pay down the national debt. LOL

I admit I was wrong about the tax info. Sorry.

[Guest Anonymous]

Jeepers! There isn't any kool-aid left, is there? You drank every drop.

[jericho]

This pic has made the rounds on my FB newsfeed.

I wonder if the media will go crazy trying to defend Romney on this quote like they did Obama for his "You didn't build that" quote? Nah.

[emmiedahl]

Every frickin' poll except Rasmussen cooks polls for the Democrats. If you look at the percentage polled you will find way more Democrats polled than Republicans.

Actually, this is not the case. The reason Rasmussen produces conservative-leaning numbers is because they are paid by Fox News to do so. In fact, Rasmussen has been shown to be the least accurate in predicting an election.

Jesus Christ, jericho, you used to be able to at least google before commenting but lately you aren't even trying.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... -strongly/

[jericho]

Jeepers! There isn't any kool-aid left, is there? You drank every drop.

I'm sorry if this concept blows your mind. You probably haven't heard it in the news much.

[emmiedahl]

I saw very few media sources showing the quote in context much less defended Obama. Obama said that small business owners did not singlehandedly build their roads and schools and military, which is true.

It is hard to imagine a scenario in which what Romney said would be excusable. This is the part of the argument where you insist he was just joking, I guess. :roll:

[jericho]

Actually, this is not the case. The reason Rasmussen produces conservative-leaning numbers is because they are paid by Fox News to do so. In fact, Rasmussen has been shown to be the least accurate in predicting an election.

Jesus Christ, jericho, you used to be able to at least google before commenting but lately you aren't even trying.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... -strongly/

I guess we will really find out after the election. I think the liberal media is in for a big surprise. I can see the MSNBC anchors now almost crying, "this wasn't supposed to happen. The polls, what happened to the polls?".

[Guest Anonymous]

Sorry, jericho, I should have been more clear. I was commenting on the way you spewed ridiculous, bullshit propaganda. I was not talking about anything you might have heard from any real news source.

Edited: bullshit wording!

[Linnea]

And if Obama was caught on tape saying "I hate rich people" the media would ignore it. Oh wait he did!

Listening comprehension fail.

Obama said

I think the trick is figuring out how to structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution — because I actually believe in redistribution at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.

In other words, that the rich should share more of what they have with the poor. This =/= hate.

Romney said

There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

In other words, people who pay no income tax favor Obama *because* they believe they are victims and that the government should take care of them. They do not take responsibility for their lives.

Maybe not hate, but certainly not a very high opinion of the poor. Don't forget how many of that 47% no-federal-income-tax-paying-folks are working poor.

[samurai_sarah]

In a nutshell Mitt will cut taxes on the rich thus giving them incentive to expand/hire which will allow more jobs to be created and increase production and spending.

On the other hand, Obama wants to tax the rich to death thus giving business owners and large companies no incentive to expand or hire which will continue to keep our economy in the tank. Not only this, but Obama actually thinks that the extra taxes on the 1 or 2 percent will help pay down the national debt. LOL

I admit I was wrong about the tax info. Sorry.

Did you even read Sola's post, about how well that (Romney's) plan worked in the UK? And could you please tell me which news outlets are preferable over the mainstream media?